Observations

[seoulsearch]

May I also humbly add that at one time I felt some of the same things you're describing--I thought money, fame, and power were the answers so that people couldn't push me around or make fun of me anymore.

I certainly don't see myself as ever being "rich" but after observing a few things in others' lives, I do know that if I ever did have anything, I would do my best to not let anyone know. I'd live modestly and frugally as I always have, and whatever splurges I made, I would keep to myself.

Power makes people want to manipulate you for the own cause.

Fame makes people want to be seen with you in order to promote their own exposure.

Money makes people envious, and envy truly brings out the worst in people.

I'm neither famous nor powerful nor rich, but I have a handful of people in my life who really love me for me, and if I had those things, I would never again be able to trust that someone wasn't trying to get close to me without an ulterior motive.

I wish you all the best, no matter what life, or God, will bring.

 

[Funrider]

2 Cor 4: 11-12

11 For we who live are always delivered to death for Jesus’ sake, that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. 12 So then death is working in us, but life in you.

So therein, by denying MY life, we ideally reveal Jesus through us, to give life to others.

Where's my kickback? Wheres MY benefit? I must lose so Jesus can win? No thank you.

 

[seoulsearch]

2 Cor 4: 11-12

11 For we who live are always delivered to death for Jesus’ sake, that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. 12 So then death is working in us, but life in you.

So therein, by denying MY life, we ideally reveal Jesus through us, to give life to others.

Where's my kickback? Wheres MY benefit? I must lose so Jesus can win? No thank you.

The interesting thing about the Christian life is that it's a paradox:

John 12:25 -- "The one who loves, clings onto, his life will lose it (will destroy it), and the one who hates his life in this world guards it for eternal life."

The thing that's hard about Christianity is that God says if we live for ourselves (seeking only kickbacks and benefits for ourselves, as you describe), we are actually destroying our life, but if we surrender our lives to God, He will give us a life worth living. The toughest part to accept is the concept of living for someone else instead of ourselves.

I completely understand what you're saying though, as I've thought the same things you're describing far more often than what I should admit on a Christian forum.

And I hope you keep on going in your quest for answers. Be sure to ask God, too, in the process.

 

[PennEd]

POINT PROVEN, apparently.

I'm done. Jesus is dead to me.

[h=1]John 10:28-30King James Version (KJV)[/h]28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.


Are you a man? If you have indeed accepted Jesus, then what makes you think YOU can pluck yourself out of His Hand?

 

[Euphemia]

2 Cor 4: 11-12

11 For we who live are always delivered to death for Jesus’ sake, that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. 12 So then death is working in us, but life in you.

So therein, by denying MY life, we ideally reveal Jesus through us, to give life to others.

Where's my kickback? Wheres MY benefit? I must lose so Jesus can win? No thank you.

The believer wins because Jesus wins.

Romans 8:36-38
(As the Scriptures say, “For your sake we are killed every day; we are being slaughtered like sheep.”) [SUP]37 [/SUP]No, despite all these things, overwhelming victory is ours through Christ, who loved us.[SUP]38 [/SUP]And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love.

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[blue_ladybug]

You want money, fame, fortune? You're NEVER going to have ANY of that. Not without God. You know why God won't help you right now? Because you keep rejecting him, and betraying him. You say you love him? That's bs.. You'd trade him for millions of dollars any day, and have told us so, many many times. Stop waiting for GOD to make your life better. Get off your ascot and HELP HIM help you to make your life better. You are selfish, and greedy, and are of the devil since you'd rather turn to the occult rather than Jesus Christ. You think satan's gonna give you money and fame? You're delusional, son. Stop focusing on money and fame and fortune. Focus on God, and on his love. Then MAYBE he will help you. But get your mind off worldy things, and onto the supernatural things of heaven.

Another poster mentioned you think you believe in Santa Claus. Well, God isn't Santa. He's not a genie who grants wishes. He's not a magic carpet. God helps those who help themselves. So help yourself, by helping God to help you. It's called proactiveness. Practice it and you might just see some positive change. But I guarantee you this: neither God nor satan will give you the selfish desires of your heart. Not with your lousy crappy attitude.

 

[blue_ladybug]

You want money, fame, fortune? You're NEVER going to have ANY of that. Not without God. You know why God won't help you right now? Because you keep rejecting him, and betraying him. You say you love him? That's bs.. You'd trade him for millions of dollars any day, and have told us so, many many times. Stop waiting for GOD to make your life better. Get off your ascot and HELP HIM help you to make your life better. You are selfish, and greedy, and are of the devil since you'd rather turn to the occult rather than Jesus Christ. You think satan's gonna give you money and fame? You're delusional, son. Stop focusing on money and fame and fortune. Focus on God, and on his love. Then MAYBE he will help you. But get your mind off worldy things, and onto the supernatural things of heaven.

Another poster mentioned you think you believe in Santa Claus. Well, God isn't Santa. He's not a genie who grants wishes. He's not a magic carpet. God helps those who help themselves. So help yourself, by helping God to help you. It's called proactiveness. Practice it and you might just see some positive change. But I guarantee you this: neither God nor satan will give you the selfish desires of your heart. Not with your lousy crappy attitude.

 

[blue_ladybug]

It is my conclusion that Funrider is a troll. One minute he says he loves God and would never betray him. Then in the same breath he says he'd trade Jesus for money and fame.. A real christian wouldn't flip-flop stories like that. Have fun wasting your typing on him. I'm done. Funrider, I do hope you realize what you're doing before it's too late.. :/

 

[jsr1221]

You want money, fame, fortune? You're NEVER going to have ANY of that. Not without God. You know why God won't help you right now? Because you keep rejecting him, and betraying him. You say you love him? That's bs.. You'd trade him for millions of dollars any day, and have told us so, many many times. Stop waiting for GOD to make your life better. Get off your ascot and HELP HIM help you to make your life better. You are selfish, and greedy, and are of the devil since you'd rather turn to the occult rather than Jesus Christ. You think satan's gonna give you money and fame? You're delusional, son. Stop focusing on money and fame and fortune. Focus on God, and on his love. Then MAYBE he will help you. But get your mind off worldy things, and onto the supernatural things of heaven.

Another poster mentioned you think you believe in Santa Claus. Well, God isn't Santa. He's not a genie who grants wishes. He's not a magic carpet. God helps those who help themselves. So help yourself, by helping God to help you. It's called proactiveness. Practice it and you might just see some positive change. But I guarantee you this: neither God nor satan will give you the selfish desires of your heart. Not with your lousy crappy attitude.

Money and fame isn't everything, though. Look at Hollywood. Those people have money and fame. And most are without God.. So where's the priorities there?

 

[blue_ladybug]

Money and fame isn't everything, though. Look at Hollywood. Those people have money and fame. And most are without God.. So where's the priorities there?

People in Hollyweird don't HAVE priorities. They sell their souls to the devil for fame and popularity. They're told what to do, when and where and how to do it. They are puppets on a string. They don't care about what happens to them as long as they stay famous and rich.

 

[wolfwint]

In general...in my life.

I am beginning to see...some people are better off than others. Different money levels...different friends, different reputations, different levels of success...

And do you know what else?

The fact that God seems to be useless in affecting any of it.

Folks, I tried, I really have tried.
But I'm sick and tired of it.

I am THIS CLOSE...THIS...CLOSE (Picture a human hair's width), to rejecting Jesus.
The ONLY THING holding me steady...is the hope I can have a future with him.

Listen folks, I dont give a flying rip about the crucifix or his death.
I accepted him genuinely 7 years ago. NOTHING CAME OF IT.

I'm waiting on other blessings to have been manifested. NOTHING CAME OF IT.

I'm sick and tired of reading the bible, and being dissapointed.

I'm sick and tired of all of you, and your blind faith in a God that doesn't care for your and your family.

I'm writing this...to identify if ANY OF YOU can give me proof God is good. I'm at my wits end right now.

Right now, I am considering the occult, and freemasonry. I dont care for God's love. I want money, power, fame. God's love isn't helping me pay the bills. God's love isn't important to me.

At this point in the game, I genuinely hate Jesus. I think he wasted his time dying on the cross, and it did nothing to bring me peace and joy.

Here's your chance to sell me on why Jesus is worth a damn.
Begin:

Dear Funrider, you told i should be honest with you.You seems to me to be not a christian! If you would have the holy Spirit in you, then you would see that God is good to you. He save you from hell! I think you dont realize what this means for you! You deserve to live in the hell, as every body does.
Jesus died for you at the cross, but you see only your lack on wealth, and fame! I suppose you do not understand the gospel. I see no thankfulness to god, only envy to others.
Yes our life on earth iss full of unright. But gods promiss for our life is not one in wealth and fame. If the people hate Jesus, they will hate us too. But he is the one who carry us through, some has to suffer more less than others. This is true! But I tell you ( and i lived 25 years without him) I dont wont live without Jesus. Not for everything onto this world. My Life is not worthful according the measure of this world. But in Gods eyes i am worthful. And it is not depend on our fame ore wealth ore something else.
When I read your posts i must remind to two people I met. First was a young man. When I tryed tell him from Jesus he told me: " I know about Jesus, but with Jesus I have to change my life, and this I dont want"
Second was a young high cast man in India: He asked me: " when I come to Christ can you guarantee me to be still rich (material)?"
You can be rich, without money!
Give your life to Jesus and trust him without when and but.

But, maby I waste this words, because you really dont want to follow Jesus, but only to get it all: heaven and a life in wealth and fame. In this case I suppose you will loose both!

And i can tell you the Lord sees your heart, and he must have a reason fo not to give you what you desire! As a father dont gives his children everything what they desire, because he knows what is good for his children!

 

[Funrider]

God doesn't know jack squat of what I, or any other person wants. I have a dream. A dream to unite many people towards a right way of living...where no tyrannical God takes away from them, makes them suffer, or tricks them with scripture.

I have a dream where I can put smiles on people's faces, wipe away their suffering, be a GENUINE friend and leader, and be a provider of good things to those who hurt in pain. I have a dream where I can liberate the just and the righteous in life from the oppression of tyrants and monsters, and where they can place their faith in someone who will not leave them betrayed and suffering (Like God does all the time).

I have a dream where I can teach people how to live successfully, manage their money and assets to multiply their income and use it to benefit humanity (something God YHWH the father FAILS AT EVERY WAKING MOMENT OF EXISTENCE). I have a dream where I can liberate people from their suffering, and allow them to live a happy life of achievement and signifigance, no matter their bodily condition, no matter their social class or upbrining, no matter their misfortune or lack of victory...

I have a dream that people can live a life of significance without being discriminated by a tyrannical God who gives to some, and cheats others. I have a dream that people can discover a Jesus who truly loves them, and just doesn't demand them to give up their RIGHT TO LIVE A LIFE OF DIGNITY AND RESPECT. I have a dream where I can provide a system for people to liberate themselves from poverty, struggle, and suffering, and where they can come to know a God that cares, instead of a God who withholds blessing.

I have a dream to ANSWER PEOPLE'S PRAYERS, AND HELP THE PEOPLE GOD LEFT FOR DEAD AND NEGLECTED. I have a dream to be the answer to a suffering person's prayers. I have a dream to prove God is real to people who doubt. I have a dream to fix the problems in people's lives GOD HAS REFUSED TO FIX, OR HELP OUT WITH.

I have a dream to be the answer to everyone's prayers. I have a dream to prove God is real, and not a jerk tyrant. I have a dream to put smiles on the faces of people who God has stolen from, and hurt, and cheated, and tricked, and deceived.

I want to bring blessing to people who never even knew they could, because GOD THE FATHER NEVER CARED TO BE A FRIEND IN THEIR LIVES.

Are you satisfied now, blind sheep?

 

[Willie-T]

Gosh, you think you're Martin Luther King.

 

[wolfwint]

God doesn't know jack squat of what I, or any other person wants. I have a dream. A dream to unite many people towards a right way of living...where no tyrannical God takes away from them, makes them suffer, or tricks them with scripture.

I have a dream where I can put smiles on people's faces, wipe away their suffering, be a GENUINE friend and leader, and be a provider of good things to those who hurt in pain. I have a dream where I can liberate the just and the righteous in life from the oppression of tyrants and monsters, and where they can place their faith in someone who will not leave them betrayed and suffering (Like God does all the time).

I have a dream where I can teach people how to live successfully, manage their money and assets to multiply their income and use it to benefit humanity (something God YHWH the father FAILS AT EVERY WAKING MOMENT OF EXISTENCE). I have a dream where I can liberate people from their suffering, and allow them to live a happy life of achievement and signifigance, no matter their bodily condition, no matter their social class or upbrining, no matter their misfortune or lack of victory...

I have a dream that people can live a life of significance without being discriminated by a tyrannical God who gives to some, and cheats others. I have a dream that people can discover a Jesus who truly loves them, and just doesn't demand them to give up their RIGHT TO LIVE A LIFE OF DIGNITY AND RESPECT. I have a dream where I can provide a system for people to liberate themselves from poverty, struggle, and suffering, and where they can come to know a God that cares, instead of a God who withholds blessing.

I have a dream to ANSWER PEOPLE'S PRAYERS, AND HELP THE PEOPLE GOD LEFT FOR DEAD AND NEGLECTED. I have a dream to be the answer to a suffering person's prayers. I have a dream to prove God is real to people who doubt. I have a dream to fix the problems in people's lives GOD HAS REFUSED TO FIX, OR HELP OUT WITH.

I have a dream to be the answer to everyone's prayers. I have a dream to prove God is real, and not a jerk tyrant. I have a dream to put smiles on the faces of people who God has stolen from, and hurt, and cheated, and tricked, and deceived.

I want to bring blessing to people who never even knew they could, because GOD THE FATHER NEVER CARED TO BE A FRIEND IN THEIR LIVES.

Are you satisfied now, blind sheep?

You dont know god! Do you want create your own religion? In which you are the Saviour? Then you are wrong in this Chat!

 

[Miri]

Gosh, you think you're Martin Luther King.

Bah ha, ha, ha

 

[Funrider]

You dont know god! Do you want create your own religion? In which you are the Saviour? Then you are wrong in this Chat!

I dont want to create my own religion. I am not qualified to do so, nor is any person.
I dont want to be a savior. Jesus is, for many, the savior.

...I just want God to get out of my way in life and let me win, succeed, and build a life for myself.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I dont want to create my own religion. I am not qualified to do so, nor is any person.
I dont want to be a savior. Jesus is, for many, the savior.

...I just want God to get out of my way in life and let me win, succeed, and build a life for myself.

WITHOUT God, you are nothing and can do NOTHING. What part of that are you failing to understand? WE are not the blind sheep, YOU are. Our eyes are wide open to God. Your are closed entirely. Your dream is built on the false premise that YOU can attain success all by yourself. Without God, YOU WILL FAIL. So keep on rejecting and betraying him. Your posts here speak volumes as to which god YOU serve.

You are a blasphemous troll, and sooner or later, you WILL get banned. I sincerely hope you open your selfish blind eyes before Jesus returns. You WON'T like the place satan has reserved for you down south..

 

[Miri]

Adam and Eve wanted to bypass God as well.
They wanted all knowledge and look where it got them.

I just wish you would make up your mind either way.

 

[Euphemia]

I dont want to create my own religion. I am not qualified to do so, nor is any person.
I dont want to be a savior. Jesus is, for many, the savior.

...I just want God to get out of my way in life and let me win, succeed, and build a life for myself.

This is the sentiment of one who drives his own bus. Don't you know that God is a gentleman and allows you to do your own thing? His love for you should drive you to your knees in repentance and gratefulness that you have been given life, and forgiveness for your sin that leads you into distress and trouble and will take you to places you do not want to go, and ultimately into hell.

Because of Jesus being punished for my sin, I am driven to love the Father who loves me more than I can even begin to comprehend...a huge, huge God caring about a mere speck like me enough to become one like me and dying in my place? Yes, when I drove my own bus, I went into the ditch.

Look out.


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[Siberian_Khatru]

WITHOUT God, you are nothing and can do NOTHING. What part of that are you failing to understand? WE are not the blind sheep, YOU are. Our eyes are wide open to God. Your are closed entirely. Your dream is built on the false premise that YOU can attain success all by yourself. Without God, YOU WILL FAIL. So keep on rejecting and betraying him. Your posts here speak volumes as to which god YOU serve.

You are a blasphemous troll, and sooner or later, you WILL get banned. I sincerely hope you open your selfish blind eyes before Jesus returns. You WON'T like the place satan has reserved for you down south..

I thought you said you were done with this thread? I wish you had kept to that, blue. I'm really disappointed in your attitude here.