Why Are Atheists Viewed So Negatively?

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TheJesusFreak

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Basically I think.

People want to beleive in something. CHRISTIANITY is the true religion but the muslim faith and hindu faith and such even though they are not right. They CAN give people hope (even if false) and something to beleive in (even if false) and a set of morals to live by.

Athiests just live by the law in my perspective and dont have any real MORALS to follow. A lot of terrible things are still legal.

And I love creation scientists because they help fight the argument that our god IS real.

But to me athiests dont have any morals to live by and use messed up science to try to prove their point. Whilst there is science on the Christians side proving ours.
 
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Atheists come here and start telling us that our Bible is wrong and that we are foolish for believing in God
 
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I don't judge people by their religion, but I think the reason why most atheist's are disliked is because they tend to have their "own way" and want to believe that everything can be explained naturally. Sometimes, atheist's critisize other religion or have strong opinions about another's religion which gets some religious people upset and fustrated. Honestly, I'm an anthiest right now but I'm open and I'm looking to become a christian and I am started to realize that there is a GOD but most atheist's aren't like that. They're closed minded and don't choose to believe in a GOD no matter what you say or how hard you push them.

Atheist's tend to lack emperical evidence(or the proof that there is a GOD). They tend to think that if there is no ACTUAL proof of something, then it doesn't exist. Additionally, I have researched that there is also a claim that atheist's are rather quick to believe in GOD when things are going horribly wrong or something bad is about to happen to them. In other words, they usually portray themselves that they believe in GOD, even though it seems that they are just using him. They also are rather quick to judge GOD and think that, if there was truly a GOD, then we wouldn't be in such an evil world because HE has control over anything and everything.

Futhermore, upon my research, atheist's usually make good reasons why there is no GOD such as there is no evidential proof in the modern day, GOD isn't with you in person when you're going through tough times and so forth. For those reasons, religious people occasionally tend to stay away from atheist's because atheist's are very opininated and close minded.
 
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If you speak against my God, I'm going to rebuke you. Anyone who doesnt support me is just aiding the enemy.
 
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wolfywolfs

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Dude653 said:
If you speak against my God, I'm going to rebuke you. Anyone who doesnt support me is just aiding the enemy.
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that sounds very loving
 
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TheJesusFreak said:
But to me athiests dont have any morals to live by and use messed up science to try to prove their point.
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The same "messed up science" that proved the earth was not the center of the universe, but the Catholic Church decided to condemn a man, Galileo, to Hell because he claimed to have discovered this and that is was true and they were convinced he was wrong and his "messed up science" was faulty... only to much later be proven beyond a doubt that they were not only 100% wrong but had condemned a man to eternal suffering for no reason (whether or not you believe excommunication earns you a one way ticket to Hell is a different matter, but keep in mind that in their minds they were convinced that's what they were doing, so they willingly condemned a man for claiming they were wrong). Because religion NEVER gets anything wrong right?

The difference between religion and science is science is reasonable. It's trial and error and when an original hypothesis is proven wrong then it can continue to be studied and observed until eventually the truth is not only found but you can prove it and have your research and work to back you up. Religion on the other hand, it always has to be one way or it's wrong. There's no room for trial and error. There's no shades of gray. The world was created in 6 days, not millions of years. Noah fit 2 of every single animal on the planet in an ark and it managed to not only hold them all but stay above water. And Moses really parted the Red Sea and didn't cross the Reed Sea during high wind and dry conditions that would have caused the water to evaporate and be at a significantly lower level. Sure there is no documentation of a great slave release in Egypt, but that's probably because the Pharaoh at the time didn't want to look bad and kept that all hush hush. It's always, "This has to be true and we have to believe it exactly as it is written." Therefore religion cannot make mistakes in religion's eyes.

Has science made mistakes before? Of course! The great thing is it has the wiggle room to see where the mistake was made and work to find actuality. We simply keep working and researching until eventually we come to the correct conclusion and have the research and work to prove how we got there. Science has room to say, "Well that wasn't right, let's see how this really works," while religion says, "It's this way and if anyone proves otherwise they're still wrong."
 
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Reikon said:
I don't judge people by their religion, but I think the reason why most atheist's are disliked is because they tend to have their "own way" and want to believe that everything can be explained naturally. Sometimes, atheist's critisize other religion or have strong opinions about another's religion which gets some religious people upset and fustrated. Honestly, I'm an anthiest right now but I'm open and I'm looking to become a christian and I am started to realize that there is a GOD but most atheist's aren't like that. They're closed minded and don't choose to believe in a GOD no matter what you say or how hard you push them.

Atheist's tend to lack emperical evidence(or the proof that there is a GOD). They tend to think that if there is no ACTUAL proof of something, then it doesn't exist. Additionally, I have researched that there is also a claim that atheist's are rather quick to believe in GOD when things are going horribly wrong or something bad is about to happen to them. In other words, they usually portray themselves that they believe in GOD, even though it seems that they are just using him. They also are rather quick to judge GOD and think that, if there was truly a GOD, then we wouldn't be in such an evil world because HE has control over anything and everything.

Futhermore, upon my research, atheist's usually make good reasons why there is no GOD such as there is no evidential proof in the modern day, GOD isn't with you in person when you're going through tough times and so forth. For those reasons, religious people occasionally tend to stay away from atheist's because atheist's are very opininated and close minded.
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Only glazed passed this yesterday, so I wish to address a few things:
Agnostics (God leaning, Undecided, lack of knowledge, atheism leaning), Atheists and Outspoken Atheists - whilst all can come under the umbrella of atheism its important that belief from the 'outspoken' group (slandered as 'Militant') is often supported through reasons they acquire and accept which need breaking down first. Alot of the time these 'ex-atheist/new christians' lee strobel, josh mcdowell (even C.S.Lewis) never outspokenly supported the atheist proposition beyond calling themselves 'unsure' or 'just never thought about it' so their compilation of reasons that needed breaking down was minimal or weak at best. I really can contrast the difference through investigation between myself (and other outspokens) and the previous selves of ex-atheists when I speak with such people.

"They're closed minded and don't choose to believe in a GOD no matter what you say or how hard you push them." - I guess the best way to resolve this is to ask, what standards are they using to reject the supporting reasons presented to them, and do they apply those standards fairly across all of their beliefs, then say what standards you think should be used to determine truth, and whether you apply them fairly.
Note: I guess for a cheap shot, it shouldn't be surprising they don't buy into arguments, no matter how hard the push, if you say and push rubbish; thats what they will be thinking.

"Atheist's tend to lack emperical evidence(or the proof that there is a GOD). They tend to think that if there is no ACTUAL proof of something, then it doesn't exist."
Not commenting on individual atheists, the proposition I claim, is that if there is no reasonable evidence (i.e. proof) of something, then you should not believe it exists. I think this is a fair standard to apply to all unsupported claims.

"Additionally, I have researched that there is also a claim that atheist's are rather quick to believe in GOD when things are going horribly wrong or something bad is about to happen to them. In other words, they usually portray themselves that they believe in GOD, even though it seems that they are just using him."
This is why I wished to clarify different groups of 'atheists', it might be true that most the undecided and middle ground people appeal to a god when in trouble. The outspoken and strong group may just use it as a phonetic habit as opposed to a sincere plea for his help, or not do it at all. There is a site 'atheists in foxholes' which lists army personnel who have been in foxholes, to negate the idea of us secretly believing.

And lastly, things like outspoken atheists being quick to judge god and opinionated, I can understand where that is coming from, whilst for the close-minded argument, I feel there is a spectrum within any group that consists of these, I feel my atheist brother is rather like that with religion, and my agnostic sister is like that with criticisms of education programmes for schools.
 
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wolfywolfs said:
that sounds very loving
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no offense brother.. but I live to please God.. Not man.. I will NOT apologise for rebuking the enemy.. Stop being a tool of the enemy.
 
Dude653

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What if i went to a Muslim chat.. If I dont believe in Islam,, there is no reason for me to be there... If you speak against my God.. you hit the iggy bin.. its just that simple
 
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Dude653 said:
What if i went to a Muslim chat.. If I dont believe in Islam,, there is no reason for me to be there... If you speak against my God.. you hit the iggy bin.. its just that simple
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Because people of different walks of life can't possibly coexist. It's simply preposterous, my dear Watson!
 
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It depends on what on the platform the atheist is standing on.I have come to discover that there are two types of atheists, an unconcious atheist ie someone who really hasn't heard about salvation or just really lost ,and indifferent to matters of faith, and people of faith.On the otherhand we have aggressive atheists,those who have taken a concious decision to argue, deny,ridicule,mock all the standpionts of those who believe in the existence of God.Even,when they ask simple questions like"if there is God,why is there so much evil in the world ?" one of their favourite questions.They asked this question not because they wanna learn from someone,they do just to cement their preconcieved or straight-jacketed response.So tell me why would any one view aggressive atheist positvely? lol
 
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I dont know.......How would you feel if someone told you that someone who saved your life and provided everything that you needed and loved you to the core of your being doesnt exist?
 
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Humanista, of those who claim to be Christian (which is quite a big percentage of people here in the U.S.) only a percentage of those are true followers of Christ. In your life journey of trying to keep yourself living morally without God you will find it impossible to keep your life morally flawless especially in your thoughts and feelings. If you hate someone you commit murder in your mind, look at someone with lust you lay with them in your mind, lying is distorting the truth which is immoral according to federal law, bursts of anger/wrath is immoral because you commit murder in your mind. A true follower of Christ doesn't have to make an effort to live morally because the Holy Spirit in us changes us from the inside out and keeps us that way. In the other hand, atheists and other religions have to make an effort of themselves to keep a moral life. Now ask yourself, what is the reason of why you want to live a moral life that can only be seen externally when you know you fail on the inside? That is true hypocrisy. All of us, even true Christians make mistakes. The difference is that when we repent we have a God that forgives us and cleanses us from all unrighteousness.
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On one sidetheres the people that think that way and then there's the ones that don't agree with you at all. How many religious people are in the world that commit sins. How many athiests can make better moral choices than you? Its based on the person not the religion. Maybe religious people "have better morals" because wether you read ex. bible and go to church your made to reflect on yourself. Just because your athiest doesn't mean you don't reflect on yourself just as easily.
 
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psychomom

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To answer the OP's question:

Each individual atheist is an individual human being to me. My only problem with s-o-m-e atheists has been the way they've denigrated my faith. They don't seem to be able to be content with a live and let live philosophy. They mock and ridicule anyone who doesn't hold to their position, and I've seen some be quite cruel about it.
I am quite certain the same could be said of some claiming to be followers of Jesus, to our shame. But any negative feelings I may have toward a-theism stems from those who cannot seem to allow me to hold my faith in Jesus without calling me stupid, and mindless, and a lemming, and ridiculous, and ignorant, and on and on (These are words I've personally heard from a-theists.)

Buit then, Jesus told us this would happen: "Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me." Matthew 5:11 :)


 
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HerrGeschichte

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May not help you, but I am an atheist, and I don't quite know why either. I'm fine with you guys having your beliefs, why can't I have mine?
 
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HerrGeschichte said:
May not help you, but I am an atheist, and I don't quite know why either. I'm fine with you guys having your beliefs, why can't I have mine?
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Well, Mr. Geschichte, you are certainly entitled to your beliefs (or lack thereof ;)). And, on behalf of all Christians, I would like to apologize for any rudeness you have experienced from one of our own (or, at least, someone claiming to be one of us). However, I hope you understand that PROPER evangelizing is done out of love.

Think about it.....if atheists are right, then there's no need to convince Christians that God doesn't exist, because you can just be content in the knowledge that we will look like idiots to the vast majority of the population, and we can just have our little fairy-tale, believing (erroneously, in atheist's minds) that there's actually a God, and that He loves us, and that He wants us to live our lives to be as much like Jesus as possible........where's the harm in that? Let the proletariat have their opiate, right? If nothing else, it (should) keep us behaving.

But, on the flipside, if there really IS a God, and Jesus really DID die to buy you a place in heaven, then wouldn't it be kinda lousy for us not to at least TELL you so, so you can make a decision yourself? Like, if I believe that you have cancer, and I have the cure for cancer, and I know it's a cure, because it healed ME, then wouldn't it be sorta selfish of me not to at least offer you some of the medicine?

We aren't called to CONVINCE anyone of the truth of Christ, but we are called to tell you about Him, with love. If love isn't present, then we're missing the whole point.......

Anyway, that's my take on it :)
 
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because they are arrogant enough to believe in themselves only and not God?
 
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Snackersmom said:
Well, Mr. Geschichte, you are certainly entitled to your beliefs (or lack thereof ;)). And, on behalf of all Christians, I would like to apologize for any rudeness you have experienced from one of our own (or, at least, someone claiming to be one of us). However, I hope you understand that PROPER evangelizing is done out of love.

Think about it.....if atheists are right, then there's no need to convince Christians that God doesn't exist, because you can just be content in the knowledge that we will look like idiots to the vast majority of the population, and we can just have our little fairy-tale, believing (erroneously, in atheist's minds) that there's actually a God, and that He loves us, and that He wants us to live our lives to be as much like Jesus as possible........where's the harm in that? Let the proletariat have their opiate, right? If nothing else, it (should) keep us behaving.

But, on the flipside, if there really IS a God, and Jesus really DID die to buy you a place in heaven, then wouldn't it be kinda lousy for us not to at least TELL you so, so you can make a decision yourself? Like, if I believe that you have cancer, and I have the cure for cancer, and I know it's a cure, because it healed ME, then wouldn't it be sorta selfish of me not to at least offer you some of the medicine?
We aren't called to CONVINCE anyone of the truth of Christ, but we are called to tell you about Him, with love. If love isn't present, then we're missing the whole point.......

Anyway, that's my take on it :)
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Oh don't get me wrong! I understand the need to talk about your beliefs! It's just when I say that I really don't want to join the church, and the people follow you as you walk away. And I realize the two sides of the argument, and if it does turn out that I am wrong, and I do go to Hell, well . . . . at least it's warm. And if I am right . . . I don't even know . . . . really kinda hope that it's something better than just nothing, but then it doesn't exactly make sense as to how that would happen . . . .
 
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HerrGeschichte, I really truly hope you wind up regretting nothing...(at least I think that's what you mean...the "en" is throwing me off-can you help me translate?)

But if Christians are right, I just honestly hope (and, if you don't mind, pray) that you end your life with nothing to regret. Just saying it as a friend. :)

The thing about Christianity is that it won't make sense to you right now. It begins with f-a-i-t-h. ;)

 
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HerrGeschichte, I really truly hope you wind up regretting nothing...(at least I think that's what you mean...the "en" is throwing me off-can you help me translate?)

But if Christians are right, I just honestly hope (and, if you don't mind, pray) that you end your life with nothing to regret. Just saying it as a friend. :)

The thing about Christianity is that it won't make sense to you right now. It begins with f-a-i-t-h. ;)
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My sig means, "No, I regret nothing at all." I like it, and I thank you. That's the way I try to live my life, making at least one person laugh, or helping at least one a day. And as for the faith, I have faith that someone is correct, but I can't wrap my head around the idea of someone controlling our lives like that.
 
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