200 Proofs Earth Is Not A Spinning Ball Videobook By Eric Dubay
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From the highland near Portsmouth Harbor in Hampshire, England looking across Spithead to the Isle of Wight, the entire base of the island, where water and land come together composes a perfectly straight line 22 statute miles long. According to the ball-Earth theory, the Isle of Wight should decline 80 feet from the center on each side to account for the necessary curvature. The cross-hairs of a good theodolite directed there, however, have repeatedly shown the land and water line to be perfectly level.
*BUMP*
why are there an entirely different set of stars visible from southern & northern hemispheres with predictable seasonal overlap explained completely by spherical earth orbiting the sun?
why do these stars nightly rotate around two opposite points at the same time, north star and southern direction?
in a 'disc' earth the same stars should be visible from everywhere, not different ones, and only rotate around the north star, not also rotate in the opposite direction in the southern half of the earth.
why are there an entirely different set of stars visible from southern & northern hemispheres with predictable seasonal overlap explained completely by spherical earth orbiting the sun?
why do these stars nightly rotate around two opposite points at the same time, north star and southern direction?
in a 'disc' earth the same stars should be visible from everywhere, not different ones, and only rotate around the north star, not also rotate in the opposite direction in the southern half of the earth.
here's another video full of lies that Spherical may try to post --
https://youtu.be/ahNfU7zYlmY
this one is a little more sophisticated of a lie than the disco ball. it does not address the opposite rotation of the southern stars or the completely different set of stars visible on the other side of the equator, but says that you can't see the north star past the equator because of perspective. here's a still image from the explanation:
he's trying to explain what the sky looks like from near the equator:
the thing about Satan is that he deceives by putting a little bit of truth mixed with lies. see, this much is true --
because the earth is actually a globe. this is what the sky looks like from a view that encompasses the equator and why it looks that way.
but the trouble with this explanation -- look again at this pic
beside the fact that it implies that if i stand a little bit away from you you can't just look parallel to the surface and see me, which is nonsense, this guy conveniently forgets that in his own model the north pole is at the top of the 'dome' -- visible from the entire earth, even the south.
the angle never becomes sharp enough that the north star is hidden, and none of the angles are right to explain the images that anyone who lives near the equator can make of the night sky:
they might seem right, if you don't use your brain.
but if you are awake - it's easy to see that this doesn't actually make any sense.
so it's bogus according to its own model,
and it also has no explanation for the easily observed rotation in the opposite direction.
the night sky in the model presented in this video -- in any flat-earth video, cannot account for the flip in rotation of the celestial sphere along the equator. this is completely consistent in a rotating spherical earth model -- it's proof.
the geometry is simply wrong. if you don't think about it hard , and you let your eyes just kind of glaze over and become blind, then Satan can sure enough convince you - without any understanding - that this is right. he puts a tiny bit of truth in there for your willful ignorance to convince itself with, and then your brain shuts down, and your eyes become blind, and your ears dumb. God does this to people, as judgement.
if anyone's eyes are truly open -- thank God for this! He has blessed you! because the world is condemned, and what it has is being taken away.
this whole flat-earth nonsense is showing us that -- how the world is trading knowledge for deceit, and in its own vanity being blinded and showing itself to have no comprehension to those who know the truth. it's a clear sign -- that points us to how this is also taking place in the world with many other things, which are not so clear. it is the judgement of God against the pride of men who reject the truth.
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another part of the explanation is that the north star is still, but ever other star actually rotates, faster and faster the further away from the pole star it is.
if you do the math -- it requires that these stars are travelling thousands of times faster than light. but there's no blue or redshift in their spectra.
i guess that's not an "issue" for disc-eathers anyway, sicne as i explained earlier their explanation for gravity is that the earth is accelerating 'upwards' -- which implies that the earth itself ((and also necessarily the entire heavens)) are currently travelling at least 6,000 times the speed of light -- and incidentally, since redshift confirms that the the unvierse is expanding away from us, all those stars are travelling way faster than that.
just thought hey, why not go ahead and preemptively debunk the crap Spherical is likely to link to ((instead of explaining anything in his own words, because i doubt he understands half of the stuff he posts here anyway)) ?
https://youtu.be/ahNfU7zYlmY
this one is a little more sophisticated of a lie than the disco ball. it does not address the opposite rotation of the southern stars or the completely different set of stars visible on the other side of the equator, but says that you can't see the north star past the equator because of perspective. here's a still image from the explanation:
he's trying to explain what the sky looks like from near the equator:
the thing about Satan is that he deceives by putting a little bit of truth mixed with lies. see, this much is true --
because the earth is actually a globe. this is what the sky looks like from a view that encompasses the equator and why it looks that way.
but the trouble with this explanation -- look again at this pic
beside the fact that it implies that if i stand a little bit away from you you can't just look parallel to the surface and see me, which is nonsense, this guy conveniently forgets that in his own model the north pole is at the top of the 'dome' -- visible from the entire earth, even the south.
the angle never becomes sharp enough that the north star is hidden, and none of the angles are right to explain the images that anyone who lives near the equator can make of the night sky:
they might seem right, if you don't use your brain.
but if you are awake - it's easy to see that this doesn't actually make any sense.
so it's bogus according to its own model,
and it also has no explanation for the easily observed rotation in the opposite direction.
the night sky in the model presented in this video -- in any flat-earth video, cannot account for the flip in rotation of the celestial sphere along the equator. this is completely consistent in a rotating spherical earth model -- it's proof.
the geometry is simply wrong. if you don't think about it hard , and you let your eyes just kind of glaze over and become blind, then Satan can sure enough convince you - without any understanding - that this is right. he puts a tiny bit of truth in there for your willful ignorance to convince itself with, and then your brain shuts down, and your eyes become blind, and your ears dumb. God does this to people, as judgement.
if anyone's eyes are truly open -- thank God for this! He has blessed you! because the world is condemned, and what it has is being taken away.
this whole flat-earth nonsense is showing us that -- how the world is trading knowledge for deceit, and in its own vanity being blinded and showing itself to have no comprehension to those who know the truth. it's a clear sign -- that points us to how this is also taking place in the world with many other things, which are not so clear. it is the judgement of God against the pride of men who reject the truth.
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another part of the explanation is that the north star is still, but ever other star actually rotates, faster and faster the further away from the pole star it is.
if you do the math -- it requires that these stars are travelling thousands of times faster than light. but there's no blue or redshift in their spectra.
i guess that's not an "issue" for disc-eathers anyway, sicne as i explained earlier their explanation for gravity is that the earth is accelerating 'upwards' -- which implies that the earth itself ((and also necessarily the entire heavens)) are currently travelling at least 6,000 times the speed of light -- and incidentally, since redshift confirms that the the unvierse is expanding away from us, all those stars are travelling way faster than that.
just thought hey, why not go ahead and preemptively debunk the crap Spherical is likely to link to ((instead of explaining anything in his own words, because i doubt he understands half of the stuff he posts here anyway)) ?
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in re: stars rotating faster the further away from the pole they are,
pictures like this also disprove that suggestion.
the star trails do not keep increasing in length past the celestial equator -- they are at a max there, and start decreasing again until you are looking towards the celestial south pole (there is no 'south pole star' like there is in the northern sky).
proof in the form of a time lapse of the southern night sky, looking due south:
flat earth model of the night sky suggests that these star trails should be horizontal, perpendicular to the southern horizon, and longer and longer closer to the horizon (further from the north star, which should be visible also from any point on the earth and about which every star in the sky should be rotating, according to that deceitful lie of an 'explanation')
it cannot explain what is actually seen -- different stars apparently rotating around a different point.
this flatly contradicts the flat-earth explanation of the apparent rotation of the stars, and confirms the spherical, rotating earth.
thank God for the heavens, which He made for us to look at, and wonder, and inspire us to ascribe glory to His name!!
pictures like this also disprove that suggestion.
the star trails do not keep increasing in length past the celestial equator -- they are at a max there, and start decreasing again until you are looking towards the celestial south pole (there is no 'south pole star' like there is in the northern sky).
proof in the form of a time lapse of the southern night sky, looking due south:
flat earth model of the night sky suggests that these star trails should be horizontal, perpendicular to the southern horizon, and longer and longer closer to the horizon (further from the north star, which should be visible also from any point on the earth and about which every star in the sky should be rotating, according to that deceitful lie of an 'explanation')
it cannot explain what is actually seen -- different stars apparently rotating around a different point.
this flatly contradicts the flat-earth explanation of the apparent rotation of the stars, and confirms the spherical, rotating earth.
thank God for the heavens, which He made for us to look at, and wonder, and inspire us to ascribe glory to His name!!
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Spherical, What denom do you claim to be?
Next question? If the Earth is flat, how is it the only planet in the solar system that is flat? You can see, through even the cheapest telescope, that the other planets are rotating and have their own moons rotating around them. So, how is it, that Earth could be flat but no other planets are? How could the laws of physics, that are laws because they are proven as a substantiated truth, allow this to be so? You spend your entire agenda focusing on the earth and only things immediately around it that you have failed to address the rest of the known universe. These things all have to exist in harmony for the other to exist. Once you respond, I'll continue as to why your beliefs are false and why these things have to exist in harmony.
Next question? If the Earth is flat, how is it the only planet in the solar system that is flat? You can see, through even the cheapest telescope, that the other planets are rotating and have their own moons rotating around them. So, how is it, that Earth could be flat but no other planets are? How could the laws of physics, that are laws because they are proven as a substantiated truth, allow this to be so? You spend your entire agenda focusing on the earth and only things immediately around it that you have failed to address the rest of the known universe. These things all have to exist in harmony for the other to exist. Once you respond, I'll continue as to why your beliefs are false and why these things have to exist in harmony.
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Please pay close attention to what I actually said...
You are twisting my words...
What I said was framed as a relative comparison, not an absolute one. I was not "boasting", except to say that I considered myself as having enough understanding of physics to "weigh in" on the matter with confidence...
So -- you're after blood now?
If you really meant this statement as one who truly cared - in a Christ-like love from one Christian brother to another - I would think that you would have sent it to me in a PM. Rather, you wish to make me into a public target and throw darts at me instead.
This is low.
Thanks for showing me your true colors...
Do not talk down to me like that.
"posthuman -- I have nothing against you -- but, your attitude is starting to STINK -- because, I can smell it from here..."
Why are you being so judgmental?
What you are exhibiting is not proper Christian behavior.
Why are you attacking the personal sovereignty of other individuals to think and believe what they will?
I don't attack you ( or anyone else ) simply for believing differently than me.
If anyone reads enough of my posts carefully, I believe they will find this to be indisputable.
You don't deserve to have anyone explain anything to you ----- especially since you seem to consider yourself as having it all figured out to the point of being supremely incapable of making any error --- it wouldn't do any good to explain anything to you, since your mind is fixed - without any openness at all to consider any other viewpoint than the one you cannot escape...
Can you not conduct a conversation with others without making cheap disparaging remarks?
If you are a good physicist, you should be able to display confidence without arrogance.
If you are even better than that, you should be able to display humility - knowing that you could possibly be wrong...
How about getting off your high horse and stop looking down your nose at others who you determine to be 'inferior' to yourself...
You are twisting my words...
What I said was framed as a relative comparison, not an absolute one. I was not "boasting", except to say that I considered myself as having enough understanding of physics to "weigh in" on the matter with confidence...
So -- you're after blood now?
If you really meant this statement as one who truly cared - in a Christ-like love from one Christian brother to another - I would think that you would have sent it to me in a PM. Rather, you wish to make me into a public target and throw darts at me instead.
This is low.
Thanks for showing me your true colors...
Do not talk down to me like that.
"posthuman -- I have nothing against you -- but, your attitude is starting to STINK -- because, I can smell it from here..."
Why are you being so judgmental?
What you are exhibiting is not proper Christian behavior.
Why are you attacking the personal sovereignty of other individuals to think and believe what they will?
I don't attack you ( or anyone else ) simply for believing differently than me.
If anyone reads enough of my posts carefully, I believe they will find this to be indisputable.
You don't deserve to have anyone explain anything to you ----- especially since you seem to consider yourself as having it all figured out to the point of being supremely incapable of making any error --- it wouldn't do any good to explain anything to you, since your mind is fixed - without any openness at all to consider any other viewpoint than the one you cannot escape...
Can you not conduct a conversation with others without making cheap disparaging remarks?
If you are a good physicist, you should be able to display confidence without arrogance.
If you are even better than that, you should be able to display humility - knowing that you could possibly be wrong...
How about getting off your high horse and stop looking down your nose at others who you determine to be 'inferior' to yourself...
my mistake -- i didn't remember correctly the exact pretension you expressed. sorry about that
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so -- is your understanding "exceedingly good" enough to see yet that the disc-earth is nonsense?
and do you care that associating yourself with it calls your judgement and sense into question?
care enough to pay attention to the facts?
or is it just that it bothers you if someone calls you out on it?
if you had not boasted about your grasp of physics, i wouldn't find it necessary to deal harshly with you.
the example of Christ is not to smile and nod when people who would speak of themselves as able to teach float absolutely wrong doctrine, because embarrassing them or hurting their feelings wouldn't be right. He called them a brood of vipers and sons of the devil - whose disciples are twice the sons of hell as they are -- and He did so quite publicly, letting everyone else who heard also be taught. Paul didn't take Peter to the side when Peter was publicly making a mockery of the gospel they carried & leading others astray by his actions; he got in his face before everyone. so i don't know where you get the idea that rebuking you isn't 'Christian' of me.
there is nothing - nothing - in 43 pages of this thread that isn't fully explained by a spherical, rotating earth in orbit around the sun, and the fallacious extrapolations from Isaiah 40:22 have been fully addressed as well.
you're not doing yourself or the gospel any favors. i should think that by 53 years of age you'd understand by now that if you go around telling people that the moon is made of cheese and rainbows are formed by the ripening of sky-berries, and then try to tell them about Jesus, you're going to leave some impressions in their mind that include the term "fairy tales"
does that make sense?
associating the name of Christ with this is insulting.
this business is not something that people who bear the name of Jesus to the world should be deceived by. we should not be people who buy into obvious lies and go around repeating them, especially if we announce ourselves with a boast about our "exceedingly good" knowledge and understanding.
reason obviously doesn't appeal to Spherical. he's made himself an idol & clings to it.
what about you?
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so -- is your understanding "exceedingly good" enough to see yet that the disc-earth is nonsense?
and do you care that associating yourself with it calls your judgement and sense into question?
care enough to pay attention to the facts?
or is it just that it bothers you if someone calls you out on it?
if you had not boasted about your grasp of physics, i wouldn't find it necessary to deal harshly with you.
the example of Christ is not to smile and nod when people who would speak of themselves as able to teach float absolutely wrong doctrine, because embarrassing them or hurting their feelings wouldn't be right. He called them a brood of vipers and sons of the devil - whose disciples are twice the sons of hell as they are -- and He did so quite publicly, letting everyone else who heard also be taught. Paul didn't take Peter to the side when Peter was publicly making a mockery of the gospel they carried & leading others astray by his actions; he got in his face before everyone. so i don't know where you get the idea that rebuking you isn't 'Christian' of me.
Whoever heeds discipline shows the way to life,
but whoever ignores correction leads others astray.
(Proverbs 10:17)
but whoever ignores correction leads others astray.
(Proverbs 10:17)
there is nothing - nothing - in 43 pages of this thread that isn't fully explained by a spherical, rotating earth in orbit around the sun, and the fallacious extrapolations from Isaiah 40:22 have been fully addressed as well.
you're not doing yourself or the gospel any favors. i should think that by 53 years of age you'd understand by now that if you go around telling people that the moon is made of cheese and rainbows are formed by the ripening of sky-berries, and then try to tell them about Jesus, you're going to leave some impressions in their mind that include the term "fairy tales"
does that make sense?
associating the name of Christ with this is insulting.
this business is not something that people who bear the name of Jesus to the world should be deceived by. we should not be people who buy into obvious lies and go around repeating them, especially if we announce ourselves with a boast about our "exceedingly good" knowledge and understanding.
reason obviously doesn't appeal to Spherical. he's made himself an idol & clings to it.
what about you?
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one of the remaining possible explanations in the article this video is talking about was a swarm of comets.
here's the original article:
Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure? : Discovery News
from late 2015.
here's an update from january 2016 -- it's probably not comets, but the jury is still out
Louisiana State University says 'alien megastructure' KIC 8462852 is still unexplained | Daily Mail Online
some people pointed radio telescopes at KIC 8462852, but no weird signals have been identified yet. here's SETI's page about the radio search
Looking For Deliberate Radio Signals From KIC 8462852
doesn't look like anyone's been considering if it's a flat star with a bit of wobble in its rotation though... hmmm maybe there's a conspiracy to cover up that particular research? certainly a 'media blackout'
interesting find - thanks!
here's the original article:
Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure? : Discovery News
from late 2015.
here's an update from january 2016 -- it's probably not comets, but the jury is still out
Louisiana State University says 'alien megastructure' KIC 8462852 is still unexplained | Daily Mail Online
some people pointed radio telescopes at KIC 8462852, but no weird signals have been identified yet. here's SETI's page about the radio search
Looking For Deliberate Radio Signals From KIC 8462852
doesn't look like anyone's been considering if it's a flat star with a bit of wobble in its rotation though... hmmm maybe there's a conspiracy to cover up that particular research? certainly a 'media blackout'
interesting find - thanks!
PH said -
"...understand by now that if you go around telling people that the moon is made of cheese and rainbows are formed by the ripening of sky-berries, and then try to tell them about Jesus, you're going to leave some impressions in their mind that include the term "fairy tales"
does that make sense?
associating the name of Christ with this is insulting.
this business is not something that people who bear the name of Jesus to the world should be deceived by. we should not be people who buy into obvious lies and go around repeating them, especially if we announce ourselves with a boast about our "exceedingly good" knowledge and understanding."
I don't want to get in the middle of this. I just want to simply say that this last part of your post should be something every Christian should be cognisant about. I have witnessed to many times well meaning Christ loving Christians totally blow whatever opportunity they may have had to witness by making some very inane comments.
Not only do Gods people perish because because of lack of knowledge, but they take the world with them.
"...understand by now that if you go around telling people that the moon is made of cheese and rainbows are formed by the ripening of sky-berries, and then try to tell them about Jesus, you're going to leave some impressions in their mind that include the term "fairy tales"
does that make sense?
associating the name of Christ with this is insulting.
this business is not something that people who bear the name of Jesus to the world should be deceived by. we should not be people who buy into obvious lies and go around repeating them, especially if we announce ourselves with a boast about our "exceedingly good" knowledge and understanding."
I don't want to get in the middle of this. I just want to simply say that this last part of your post should be something every Christian should be cognisant about. I have witnessed to many times well meaning Christ loving Christians totally blow whatever opportunity they may have had to witness by making some very inane comments.
Not only do Gods people perish because because of lack of knowledge, but they take the world with them.
On a clear day from the highland near Douglas Harbor on the Isle of Man, the whole length of the coast of North Wales is often plainly visible to the naked eye. From the Point of Ayr at the mouth of the River Dee to Holyhead comprises a 50 mile stretch which has also been repeatedly found to be perfectly horizontal. If the Earth actually had curvature of 8 inches per mile squared, as NASA and modern astronomy claim, the 50 mile length of Welsh coast seen along the horizon in Liverpool Bay would have to decline from the center-point an easily detectable 416 feet on each side!
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