prior to ACA medical coverage rates increased far more than they have under it - nobody complained back then - it is likely that your rates would have gone up without the enactment - don't know for sure as there is no way to verify your claim - perhaps you should apply for subsidies under the proper provision of the law
Affordable Health Insurance Scam
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prior to ACA medical coverage rates increased far more than they have under it - nobody complained back then - it is likely that your rates would have gone up without the enactment - don't know for sure as there is no way to verify your claim - perhaps you should apply for subsidies under the proper provision of the law
I'm not sure I want to take time away from watching the Olympics and debate the tragic consequences of Obamacare with someone who seems willfully oblivious to the facts that prove it a disaster. Maybe later.
If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health plan, you can keep it.
Obamacare Architect: We Passed the Law Thanks to the ‘Stupidity of the American Voter’
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/11/10/obamacare-architect-stupidity-of-the-american-voter-was-critical-to-passing-the-law/
A key architect of Obamacare has been caught openly boasting about taking advantage of, what he calls, “the stupidity of the American voter.”
MIT economics professor Jonathan Gruber spoke at a panel on October 17 on the political hurdles Obamacare faced in 2009-10. The video was unearthed and posted on Youtube by American Commitment.
Gruber was instrumental in crafting the legislation that was signed into law in March 2010.
In the midst of his explanation, Gruber bragged about the multiple deceptions the Obama White House perpetrated on the American people:
If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health plan, you can keep it.
Obamacare Architect: We Passed the Law Thanks to the ‘Stupidity of the American Voter’
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/11/10/obamacare-architect-stupidity-of-the-american-voter-was-critical-to-passing-the-law/
A key architect of Obamacare has been caught openly boasting about taking advantage of, what he calls, “the stupidity of the American voter.”
MIT economics professor Jonathan Gruber spoke at a panel on October 17 on the political hurdles Obamacare faced in 2009-10. The video was unearthed and posted on Youtube by American Commitment.
Gruber was instrumental in crafting the legislation that was signed into law in March 2010.
In the midst of his explanation, Gruber bragged about the multiple deceptions the Obama White House perpetrated on the American people:
“This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. So it was written to do that. In terms of risk related subsidies, if you had a law which made explicit that healthy people pay in and sick people get money it would not have passed. Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical to get the thing to pass.”
This is a jaw dropping disclosure of the political lengths those in the Obama Administration were willing to go to avoid the hard truths about their signature legislative achievement.
I kept my doctor.
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I took Econ in 2004. Just trying to expose government corruption and greed. From a Christian perspective, many families who could not afford healthcare insurance before can now allegedly afford healthcare insurance, which is good, except for the part where imposing a sunk cost upon everyone in the long run mostly benefits the insurance companies. Also from a Christian perspective, I apologize for complaining about this at all; it is better for us to have our money taken by our government for blessed are the poor, and it is easier this way. Thank you Jesus.
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Yup, that's a crazy rip.....you in effect are paying higher for those who can't pay at all.....aka wealth redistribution.....in a healthcare sense. You're paying for fat/obese people who do not care about their health, smokers, prostitutes to get abortions, homos to get aids treatments, alcoholics who have burned out their liver to get new ones via transplant, ....these are all people who contribute nothing to society, screw around with their life and expect to get the very best and coddled by society. I don't care if I offend, it's the damn truth....why should people who don't contribute to society except burden it get all the benefits? Sure some are born disabled or get that way but many are just lazy a-holes who refuse to work b/c Big govt takes care of them all the time...obama's baby state...
America's last economic strength was healthcare, and now it's going to crash and burn badly....All while adding to the US debt which is crazy high almost 22+trillion when I checked a few months back...
AETNA is pulling out of the exchanges, as other companies have also found out it's not making them any profits.....
Anyone who calls ACA fair/good is lying just like Obama....it does not benefit workers but the moochers of society...
America's last economic strength was healthcare, and now it's going to crash and burn badly....All while adding to the US debt which is crazy high almost 22+trillion when I checked a few months back...
AETNA is pulling out of the exchanges, as other companies have also found out it's not making them any profits.....
Anyone who calls ACA fair/good is lying just like Obama....it does not benefit workers but the moochers of society...
It was all going to go so well, wasn't it? After all, the insurance companies didn't mind if the overwhelming majority of people signing up were sick. Sure they would lose a lot of money, but the government promised to bail them out...the first year. Now they are looking at the pool of people who are mostly sick and want all sorts of services. The numbers do not add up to make a profit. So, since they aren't a government agency that doesn't worry about losing money, they are pulling out of the exchanges. Aetna lost over $00 billion last year and others like United and Humana also lost huge amounts, and decided to walk away.
That 30 million uninsured you would like to keep quoting as now having insurance, was never achieved. They got a fraction of that number insured and caused close to 10 million others with insurance to get dumped off their plans. It's a disaster. It was never revenue neutral. You and I were lied to. Here's what you don't seem to care about, they later admitted they lied. They get away with it and laugh in your face and you embrace them and thank them.
Robbing money out of Medicare to expand Medicaid is like taking water out of the deep end of the pool and pouring it into the shallow end, and then telling people you made the pool deeper and fuller. You might believe it is true, but you are being deceived. trying to tell an anecdotal story about you and a person you know who are satisfied is pointless because overall, the numbers are not adding up and the insurance providers are going broke. Maybe this is over your head, but I can pass along further information that explains it quite well, if you like.
That 30 million uninsured you would like to keep quoting as now having insurance, was never achieved. They got a fraction of that number insured and caused close to 10 million others with insurance to get dumped off their plans. It's a disaster. It was never revenue neutral. You and I were lied to. Here's what you don't seem to care about, they later admitted they lied. They get away with it and laugh in your face and you embrace them and thank them.
Robbing money out of Medicare to expand Medicaid is like taking water out of the deep end of the pool and pouring it into the shallow end, and then telling people you made the pool deeper and fuller. You might believe it is true, but you are being deceived. trying to tell an anecdotal story about you and a person you know who are satisfied is pointless because overall, the numbers are not adding up and the insurance providers are going broke. Maybe this is over your head, but I can pass along further information that explains it quite well, if you like.
Amen, my brother. I thank God we're not prisoners of money. If so, I'd be upset that my coverage costs doubled, and in turn, there'd be a lot of peaceniks in the emergency department, if ya know what I mean. But Jesus is our Lord and Savior thus our eyes are focused on Him rather than parasites who live a very unflattering life.
W
I just checked into getting health insurance through the government and just for my son and I it would be around 700 a month for the better coverage. I was paying 200 a month before I was laid off. My wife has insurance but her employer only pays 100% for her and family has to pay 100% so we are looking at 800 a month with her insurance. So right now I'm in a no win scenario lol.
I feel your pain. That is exactly what has happened to my family. Now its over 1k a month when before the law I could just get high deductible insurance for everyone for less than $200 a month. I was fine with paying out the pocket for doctors visits. On top of that there is a lot of people being forced to work less than 29 hrs a week because employers don't want to and shouldn't have to provide insurance.
It's important to take the correct approach when debating someone on an online forum. You have to realize they are never going to change their mind or agree with anything you post, no matter how detailed and factual the rebuttal is. So, in most cases, you being no exception, the only approach to take is to post factual information that contradicts your blindly held left-wing beliefs, and allow others to judge you as misinformed and unwilling to admit the disaster that is Obamacare.
Medicaid estimate renews cost concerns over 'Obamacare'
http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-08-12/medicaid-estimate-renews-cost-concerns-over-obamacare
And that is the beauty of being a liberal. You just don't care about how much anything costs or where the money comes from to pay for something, as long as you get it for free. Medicare was once 1% of federal spending, if you looked at the early pie charts of federal spending in the mid 1960's. Then it grew and grew and grew. Then, as liberal politicians always do, they decided to add Medicaid. The two entitlement programs quickly grew to over 5% of federal spending. Then 10% of federal spending. Today, they are over 23%, and growing rapidly. In less than ten years, we will have a federal budget with entitlement spending at over 100% of revenues. No military spending and no discretionary spending, just entitlement spending. No new roads and bridges and no money for anything other than entitlements to people like peacenik, who get their Medicaid for free.
Medicaid estimate renews cost concerns over 'Obamacare'
http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-08-12/medicaid-estimate-renews-cost-concerns-over-obamacare
And that is the beauty of being a liberal. You just don't care about how much anything costs or where the money comes from to pay for something, as long as you get it for free. Medicare was once 1% of federal spending, if you looked at the early pie charts of federal spending in the mid 1960's. Then it grew and grew and grew. Then, as liberal politicians always do, they decided to add Medicaid. The two entitlement programs quickly grew to over 5% of federal spending. Then 10% of federal spending. Today, they are over 23%, and growing rapidly. In less than ten years, we will have a federal budget with entitlement spending at over 100% of revenues. No military spending and no discretionary spending, just entitlement spending. No new roads and bridges and no money for anything other than entitlements to people like peacenik, who get their Medicaid for free.
Your claim is untrue. Maybe that is why you didn't post any link or proof to support it. The more the numbers come in, the greater the costs are with Obamacare. Remember what Gruber said. He helped them design Obamcare to fool the American people and they relied on the stupidity of the American people to believe that it could cost less and save money. It was never going to cost less and save money. It was handing out free healthcare and then promising to pay health care providers top dollar to treat a lot of sick people. How does that make it cheaper? For you, it's just a matter of running out the clock and taking as much free health care as you can get before you die, leaving others to figure out how to handle the massive debt incurred by the U.S.
W
Well it wasn't peacenik that sent me money but my wife's college. Evidently she got some money back for her grades and it ended up being about 10 dollars short of the money we needed to start the new insurance. We were going to have to pull out of savings to start this off. God answers prayer still.
Maybe it's time for you to take a moment and read your Bible. On judgment day, the people who will answer for their sins are those that failed to trust Jesus Christ as savior. Christians who believe that Christ taught personal accountability and do not believe in mooching free services from the government and forcing tax payers to pony up and pay the bills for them. You have a twisted view of Biblical principals, where liberal ideologies have festered in your brain pan and caused you to abandon God's word and His admonishment to those who choose not to work and become moochers. By siding with them, you are taking sides against God. If you are a believer, you really need to reassess your personal beliefs in a welfare state.