Christian Nationalism (This deserves it's own thread)

[JTB]

Now you're the one setting up the straw man, that was not what I said at all.

Uhm, that's exactly what you said.

 

[JTB]

Tell that to John the Baptist, or Joseph, King David, there are others if I take the time to think.

Please elaborate

 

[JTB]

so, we are a nation who's founding fathers said that we are " endowed by our Creator , with rights from that Creator, are NOT a Christian nation ( or founded as one, we are not anymore).

yeah , right.

and being a deist does not mean one is not a Christian...

They acknowledged the creator ... but also said gov't was not to establish an official religion

 

[JTB]

That is incorrect.
There cannot be law without the lawGiver.
Just law is written in detail in the Old Testament.

>History<

Sorry, my red X and other emojis are not working

 

[ZNP]

Ever hear of "crying wolf syndrome"?

The more you pick actual dates that prove wrong, the less credibility people will give you. Yes the wolf did eventually show up, but everyone missed it because the little boy's credibility was gone.

Also, Jesus said we would know the season, but not the day. Claiming to know the day is not Biblical.

Happy New Year my friend!

Yes. I am aware of that and I see that there are many who have been burnt out by many of these people. I have mixed views on this. I don't go around to random people and discuss this topic as a result. I do not assume people are interested in studying eschatology. When I preach the gospel I will refer to current events being tied to what the Bible said and I will use that to give an urgency to the gospel, but I don't share my Bible interpretations on some of these verses with anyone in that way. The reason is quite simple, people don't hear what you say they hear what they want to hear and then insist that is what you said.

Instead I share these things in relevant forums based on people asking relevant questions or discussing relevant topics and I put it in writing. Even here I get accused of saying things I haven't said, but those who make those accusations never provide a post to link to.

If you aren't interested in this topic don't ask questions about it and don't visit threads discussing it. Simple fix. I am studying and researching it. I am open to discuss this with anyone else who is interested and am not shoving this down anyone's throat against their will.

Jesus said it would be as the days of Lot and one of the "days of Lot" was the day the angels showed up to Abraham's tent and let him know what was about to happen. As a result I am a firm believer that the same will happen.

You have to vet people carefully, everyone should be clear that the internet is filled with bogus scam artists. I have five "prophets" that I have vetted, I trust their word is from the Lord as well as the more sure word of prophecy in the Bible. Three of those prophets are dead: Henry Gruber, Dimitri Duduman and Ken Peters. Two are alive.

The two alive are attacked viciously, misquoted, and their words twisted. The principle is when the attack from the enemy is this vicious with false accusations, twisting of the word, lies, deceit, that they must be over the target.

Jonah walked to and fro throughout Nineveh telling them to repent for in 40 days God would overthrow their city. They did repent, God relented, and Jonah was accused of crying wolf. Later Obadiah records Nineveh being overthrown. Jesus told the Pharisees the only sign they would get would be the sign of Jonah. For forty years Jesus and the apostles walked to and fro throughout Israel telling them to repent and then after 40 years, to the day they were overthrown. They didn't repent and as Jesus had said "they had committed the unforgiveable sin". God was not going to relent.

But that sign of Jonah is given to the world as well. Jesus referred to this world as an evil and adulterous age. A jubilee is 49 years (seven weeks of years) and then the next year, the first year of the 8th week is called the jubilee. The 40th jubilee would be 40 x 49+ 1. That is 1961 years. The gospel was sent to the Gentiles after Israel was overthrown in 70 AD and the saints were dispersed or scattered throughout the world. 1961 years later is 2031. So yes, I think it is essential we let the Nations know what the "sign of Jonah" is. I also believe that Dimitri Duduman was a modern day Jonah. He came to the US 40 years ago and began preaching his message that the US was the Great Babylon and would be destroyed in one hour. I think it is important that people know what he said.

Those that twist my words, make false accusations, lie and slander. The Lord will deal with them later.

 

[PAC-fit]

The more you pick actual dates that prove wrong, the less credibility people will give you.

I have mixed views on this. I don't go around to random people and discuss this topic as a result. I do not assume people are interested in studying eschatology.

I have five "prophets" that I have vetted, I trust their word is from the Lord as well as the more sure word of prophecy in the Bible.

I wonder how long postings can try the limits of derailing the thread's topic before something is done? Why NOT show the reader some of that "from the Lord as well as, , prophecy in the Bible" vetting of those prophets? All things are to be done towards edification. As for even remotely, picking dates, most all can agree the spirit of the Lord's words on the matter were far more concerned with being ready, than they were of being informed.

 

[ZNP]

I wonder how long postings can try the limits of derailing the thread's topic before something is done? Why NOT show the reader some of that "from the Lord as well as, , prophecy in the Bible" vetting of those prophets? All things are to be done towards edification. As for even remotely, picking dates, most all can agree the spirit of the Lord's words on the matter were far more concerned with being ready, than they were of being informed.

I have a blog that is called "summary of Bible references on the rapture". There are over 12,000 posts, and every single post refers to verses in the Bible. The posts I make very clearly reference those verses. I also post links but only if they also can be directly attributed to an exposition of what the Bible says.

Here is the link: https://christianchat.com/blogs/summary-of-bible-references-on-the-rapture

These are Pdfs anyone can download of all my posts.

108 Bible verses on that describe when the rapture is

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mH8yd5JQnHemmzYxv52xc4vaiecbzgcl/view?usp=sharing

We always hear that no one knows when the rapture will be. Of course the Lord never
said no one knows the year or the season, just the day and the hour. But suppose that
verse means “no one verse knows”. You see you can get one verse in Hosea that does
point to the year and you can get one verse in Amos that does point to the season and
one verse in Jeremiah that does point to the season. Now imagine each of these 108
Bible verses tell us something, none of them tell us “the day or the hour” but they each
narrow down the possible days and hours. In other words they could be a filter
removing days and hours that don’t fit.

The Bible never says no one knows the day or the hour

https://drive.google.com/file/d/12nIi9dF1OhtxKXxmFTxZu-55QtskI0Lc/view?usp=sharing

This is a Pdf that discusses how to discern a false prophet, it also discusses several key verses on the timing of the rapture as well as Ken Peters dream, the writing on the Wall sign and a few other relevant points about thanksgiving, and the Pact for the Future.

Writing on the Wall Sign

Here is a summary of what I posted on this blog concerning the Writing on the Wall sign along with what I have shared on Daniel.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vTKT7SKSow7Ihz83lcqErW50IG5Hod9w/view?usp=sharing

A Letter to those left behind after the rapture

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dM18beTF9Jka3w8XUk10ARkI-cYnltH5/view?usp=sharing

I based most of my letter on the Gospel according to Mark and the Book of Acts.

We are at war -- our enemies are already destroying our communications satellites.

Because of this the internet could go down at any time.

Therefore I expect this forum and especially this blog will be censored and unavailable. As a result I have created these Pdfs. I recommend you download them to a computer or flash drive. This is not because of my interpretation of the word but rather because these all are filled with the word of God. If you are using an online Bible you will greatly appreciate having something like this. Plus, for those who are newly saved it will be an example of how you can read the Bible.

I have made about 120 posts since the last time I posted these and we have had about 10,000 new visitors to the site. These are here for anyone to download. In a very short time frame the internet will be fully censored of material on the Bible.

Index of Bible References volumes 1-4

I would have done this for all of them but ran out of time. However, it does help those who are interested in a particular verse to find the verse and what is said about it. One reason I did this was so I could look for verses that had not been referenced.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GHtGI9hLkPKgoqvlAI73u-NCB0KUn-Nj/view?usp=sharing

This is a reference of Bible verses in these four volumes.

Look Up, Your Redemption Draws Near (volume 1)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JvGt0moH2kzWMqdxBiO73Gaj7UxxqvfD/view?usp=sharing

Look Up, Your Redemption Draws Near (volume 2)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eAIgnWSGMkVw_Fawa_dbXyJTi1yOWwks/view?usp=sharing

Look Up, Your Redemption Draws Near (volume 3)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Dg9eD4It_H1V8XCMuAc7Im8G2UfuvEjV/view?usp=sharing

Look Up, Your Redemption Draws Near (volume 4)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RwFhRsl7Ww5ZAn1C3ro7VrNCo5baWqPN/view?usp=sharing

Look up your redemption draws near (vol 5)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/160buxQxCAsHjuN7qfTVY7dOQft8VA4L_/view?usp=sharing

Look up your redemption draws near (vol 6)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ewv-l-yh4A2KRcPnQmOJB_51S1HQ095X/view?usp=sharing

Look up, your redemption draws nigh (vol. 7)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l7FBpjTk2NNVgYBAATm-3Th3rfeXEDhG/view?usp=sharing

Look Up, Your Redemption Draws Near (8)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OkRHsPs36DZ-gFO-UgGUj-mVa63TI1vR/view?usp=sharing

Look Up, Your Redemption Draws Near (9)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xECKmu-anfa0J_Sxn9ysUtpQSG2HVvtt/view?usp=sharing

For those who love the Lord's appearing

This is only for those who love the Lord's appearing. It is quite similar to the recent Pdfs I have posted but I have added a few things so that it is now 94 pages.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xJTvILxnEKuTJwly7GevmvogKQOkYSNq/view?usp=sharing

Anyway, do not read this if you are one of those servants that

say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;

Finally, I have been locked out of this Gmail account where these are all posted. So I suspect very shortly these will be taken down as well. However, I have accessed them this morning so they are still up.

 

[ZNP]

Ever hear of "crying wolf syndrome"?

The more you pick actual dates that prove wrong, the less credibility people will give you. Yes the wolf did eventually show up, but everyone missed it because the little boy's credibility was gone.

Also, Jesus said we would know the season, but not the day. Claiming to know the day is not Biblical.

Happy New Year my friend!

We All Feel Like Phillipe! Another Rapture Year Burial

 

[PAC-fit]

The Bible never says no one knows the day or the hour

https://drive.google.com/file/d/12nIi9dF1OhtxKXxmFTxZu-55QtskI0Lc/view?usp=sharing

Thanks. From your link,

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of
heaven, but my Father only.

The Father knows the day and the hour.

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto
his servants the prophets.​

Please, to assist in redeeming the time, might you expand upon this removing the delicate care of V-36? For applying other passages to His own (V-36) words portends Jesus is re-fulfilling Himself.

Please note the prophet's own use "latter days" Jeremiah and Daniel. To whom the Lord's Apostles "spirits of the prophets" were subject.

Talk about the "Bible never says"? Not once will you hear the gift of prophesy working in the Apostles (to whom WE are subject to maintain their tradition) grant release from the likes of Matthew 24:36.

 

[ZNP]

Thanks. From your link,

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of
heaven, but my Father only.

The Father knows the day and the hour.

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto
his servants the prophets.​

Please, to assist in redeeming the time, might you expand upon this removing the delicate care of V-36? For applying other passages to His own (V-36) words portends Jesus is re-fulfilling Himself.

Please note the prophet's own use "latter days" Jeremiah and Daniel. To whom the Lord's Apostles "spirits of the prophets" were subject.

Talk about the "Bible never says"? Not once will you hear the gift of prophesy working in the Apostles (to whom WE are subject to maintain their tradition) grant release from the likes of Matthew 24:36.

There are several ways to understand V 36 that are valid, but the common understanding that He said "no one will ever know" is not a valid interpretation.

1. No Bible verse is of its own interpretation. That is what Peter said, it is a fundamental principle in Bible exposition. So your reference to Amos 3:7 is a very valid interpretation, to point out that even though Jesus did not reveal the day or the hour in Matthew, there is a promise that before God does anything He will reveal it. An example of that is God telling Abraham about what was going to happen to Sodom beforehand. Jesus also said that the end would be as the days of Lot and the day that God told Abraham about it would certainly qualify as one of those days. A second valid way to interpret this is to say that No man, and no angels means you will not find the answer to this question in any book of the Bible or in the book of Enoch, etc. However, this does not eliminate the possibility that the answer is like a jigsaw puzzle of 250 pieces and if you put together those pieces from every book of the Bible you will get your answer. That may seem like a stretch, but would be in line with Revelation 3:3. A third valid interpretation is based on Colossians 2 which says that the Holy Days are a shadow of things to come. Moses gave the feasts of the Lord in the books of Moses, over 400 years after God made the covenant with Abraham. Those feasts are prophetic, they are a very precise shadow of the things to come. When Jesus said no one knows the day or the hour to my understanding that proves that none of the Feasts of the Lord in the books of Moses are a shadow of the rapture. However, what about Holy Days celebrated by the church that were established hundreds of years after our covenant was made when Jesus died on the cross?

The thing to realize is that what Jesus said does not exclude these three interpretations and all three could easily be correct. However, Revelation 3:3 and Amos 3:7 does eliminate the interpretation that no one will ever know. That is a bogus interpretation.

 

[JTB]

Yes. I am aware of that and I see that there are many who have been burnt out by many of these people. I have mixed views on this. I don't go around to random people and discuss this topic as a result. I do not assume people are interested in studying eschatology. When I preach the gospel I will refer to current events being tied to what the Bible said and I will use that to give an urgency to the gospel, but I don't share my Bible interpretations on some of these verses with anyone in that way. The reason is quite simple, people don't hear what you say they hear what they want to hear and then insist that is what you said.

Instead I share these things in relevant forums based on people asking relevant questions or discussing relevant topics and I put it in writing. Even here I get accused of saying things I haven't said, but those who make those accusations never provide a post to link to.

If you aren't interested in this topic don't ask questions about it and don't visit threads discussing it. Simple fix. I am studying and researching it. I am open to discuss this with anyone else who is interested and am not shoving this down anyone's throat against their will.

Jesus said it would be as the days of Lot and one of the "days of Lot" was the day the angels showed up to Abraham's tent and let him know what was about to happen. As a result I am a firm believer that the same will happen.

You have to vet people carefully, everyone should be clear that the internet is filled with bogus scam artists. I have five "prophets" that I have vetted, I trust their word is from the Lord as well as the more sure word of prophecy in the Bible. Three of those prophets are dead: Henry Gruber, Dimitri Duduman and Ken Peters. Two are alive.

The two alive are attacked viciously, misquoted, and their words twisted. The principle is when the attack from the enemy is this vicious with false accusations, twisting of the word, lies, deceit, that they must be over the target.

Jonah walked to and fro throughout Nineveh telling them to repent for in 40 days God would overthrow their city. They did repent, God relented, and Jonah was accused of crying wolf. Later Obadiah records Nineveh being overthrown. Jesus told the Pharisees the only sign they would get would be the sign of Jonah. For forty years Jesus and the apostles walked to and fro throughout Israel telling them to repent and then after 40 years, to the day they were overthrown. They didn't repent and as Jesus had said "they had committed the unforgiveable sin". God was not going to relent.

But that sign of Jonah is given to the world as well. Jesus referred to this world as an evil and adulterous age. A jubilee is 49 years (seven weeks of years) and then the next year, the first year of the 8th week is called the jubilee. The 40th jubilee would be 40 x 49+ 1. That is 1961 years. The gospel was sent to the Gentiles after Israel was overthrown in 70 AD and the saints were dispersed or scattered throughout the world. 1961 years later is 2031. So yes, I think it is essential we let the Nations know what the "sign of Jonah" is. I also believe that Dimitri Duduman was a modern day Jonah. He came to the US 40 years ago and began preaching his message that the US was the Great Babylon and would be destroyed in one hour. I think it is important that people know what he said.

Those that twist my words, make false accusations, lie and slander. The Lord will deal with them later.

Oh I'm interested in the subject. Spent many decades researching it. Here's the result of that effort: https://sites.google.com/view/whatwilltheendbelike/home . My pastor said he had to read it several times, as there's a LOT of information in it. So much so that most people won't have the attention span to take it all in and digest it.

I don't follow after "prophets". I'll listen, but then I'll investigate their words against scripture. In the end scripture is my reference. Not prophets.

Nor do I believe the Lord will act against those who slander me. He'll act against those who slander Him and His words, but I'm not Him. I would never pretend to think my words carry the same weight.

Nor do I ever try to pick a date. Frankly, I believe that heart attack, that car crash, that your-ticket-is-punched moment is your date. As God said to the proud farmer, it might just be tonight for any one of us. Those who actually survive to see the final rapture are going to be an incredibly small group.

And I confess that I am a highly sarcastic individual. A lot of people just don't and won't get my humor. So I again apologize if that has ever offended you.

A lot of people will not agree with my interpretations, and in a lot of cases I hope they are right. Like the pre/mid/post tribulation rapture debate. I don't agree with the pre-tribulation theory, but I hope they're right. (Personally, my take is pray for pre, prepare for post, and any other time, like tonight, will be just fine by me).

Have a blessed 2025! And when we meet in heaven, I'm sure we're all gonna have a good laugh at just how much we all got wrong

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Please elaborate

Why did John the Baptist lose his head?? Also you can add Esther to that list too.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Uhm, that's exactly what you said.

You know what I said better than I do? Wow, do you know ESPN or somethin'? I don't think so.

 

[JTB]

You know what I said better than I do? Wow, do you know ESPN or somethin'? I don't think so.

ESPN is a sports network. Was that a joke? Ok, that was a good one.

I know what you said, and I'm not the only one to understand it that way, so it's not just me.

I've extended two olive branches, and you just pissed on them. I think we're done here.

 

[ResidentAlien]

The principles upon which the US was founded are entirely inconsistent with Christianity. Just because the founders used some religious sounding language in their writings means nothing. They were rebels from the get-go and their actions proved their hearts were far from God.

If they were truly Christian, they would've stayed where they were and subjected themselves to the king, as the scriptures teach. What Christian writes (from the Declaration of Independence): "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." That's not what Christ taught at all. Paul didn't say, slaves, rebel against your masters, kill them and become your own bosses.

I'm glad I have freedom in the US; but I don't delude myself into thinking that my freedom is because God ordained the US and made a special covenant with her. No, it's because some rebellious men decided long ago that the sword can achieve things better than God.

 

[Dude653]

I just provided you a factual citation.
If you read the old American laws, taking the Lord's Name in vain was indeed considered a crime, just as buggery/ sodomy.

Sodomy was considered a capital crime until 1861.

>Another Sodomy Law <

Which is unconstitutional and I'm assuming that's why it's no longer a crime

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

ESPN is a sports network. Was that a joke? Ok, that was a good one.

Yes, and thank you.

I know what you said, and I'm not the only one to understand it that way, so it's not just me.

Oh so all ya'll know what I said better than I do. Well that changes everything.

I've extended two olive branches, and you just pissed on them. I think we're done here.

Wow! Someone is in an awful bad mood for the New Year. Can't even take gentle ribbing. I thought this was the time of year for some goodwill, guess I was wrong.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

ESPN is a sports network. Was that a joke? Ok, that was a good one.

I know what you said, and I'm not the only one to understand it that way, so it's not just me.

I've extended two olive branches, and you just pissed on them. I think we're done here.

Here's your comment below.

Christianity teaches that homosexuality is a sin. Christian nationalism passes a law that homosexuality is illegal.

Christianity teaches that abortion is a sin. Christian nationalism passes a law that abortion is illegal.

Christianity teaches that worshipping another god is a sin. Christian nationalism passes a law that worshipping another god is illegal.

I could go on but I think this makes the point



Here's my reply, which you and Dude don't seem to understand.

So again, murder, rape, theft, and dozens of others laws, they should all be abolished in your opinion?

Let me nail it down for you both. Judeo/ Christian laws say murder is a sin and pass a law that it is illegal.

Judeo/ Christian laws say rape is a sin and pass a law that it is illegal.

Judeo/ Christian laws say theft is a sin and pass a law that it is illegal.

Now explain to me how what I am saying is different from what you are saying. Trump is not going to make homosexuality illegal, or whatever god you choose to worship. Nor do I believe he'll make abortion legal. The issue with abortion is that it is murder. And if any of those things should be illegal, abortion should be it. Plenty of people are against abortion, because it is murder, that aren't Christians. In our society we have agree that murder is wrong and against the law. That isn't Christian Nationalism, that's common sense, we've already agreed murder was wrong from the beginnings of the country. Now is that enough discussion to make you happy??

 

[Dude653]

Here's your comment below.

Christianity teaches that homosexuality is a sin. Christian nationalism passes a law that homosexuality is illegal.

Christianity teaches that abortion is a sin. Christian nationalism passes a law that abortion is illegal.

Christianity teaches that worshipping another god is a sin. Christian nationalism passes a law that worshipping another god is illegal.

I could go on but I think this makes the point



Here's my reply, which you and Dude don't seem to understand.

So again, murder, rape, theft, and dozens of others laws, they should all be abolished in your opinion?

Let me nail it down for you both. Judeo/ Christian laws say murder is a sin and pass a law that it is illegal.

Judeo/ Christian laws say rape is a sin and pass a law that it is illegal.

Judeo/ Christian laws say theft is a sin and pass a law that it is illegal.

Now explain to me how what I am saying is different from what you are saying. Trump is not going to make homosexuality illegal, or whatever god you choose to worship. Nor do I believe he'll make abortion legal. The issue with abortion is that it is murder. And if any of those things should be illegal, abortion should be it. Plenty of people are against abortion, because it is murder, that aren't Christians. In our society we have agree that murder is wrong and against the law. That isn't Christian Nationalism, that's common sense, we've already agreed murder was wrong from the beginnings of the country. Now is that enough discussion to make you happy??

Supreme Court has ruled that abortion is to be decided by each individual state, so it's a moot point

 

[ZNP]

Supreme Court has ruled that abortion is to be decided by each individual state, so it's a moot point

It is a moot point until Congress and Senate can get two thirds to vote for an amendment to the US constitution.