Christian Nationalism (This deserves it's own thread)

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Dude653

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I don't think nationalism is dumb my friend.
As maxwell said, this word means a lot of things to a lot of people but in its simplicity, nationalism is about protecting your house and your way of life and your identity and culture.
Of course this simple idea has been distorted by political ideas everywhere but there's nothing wrong with having a strong border, strong immigration checks and being proud of your culture and nation.
Many countries do it and there's nothing wrong with it.

I don't know if you know this but Canada has a much more strict immigration system compared to USA.
If you don't believe me, then try to get into Canada legally to live and work there even as an American citizen.
Short of marrying a Canadian woman or a company sponsoring your visa, it's pretty hard to live and work there legally.
Yeah of course. Borders are a thing for a reason but "globalism"... A right-wing buzzword with no real meaning is typically their go-to argument
We're a global economy. That's not going to change
 

ZNP

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Yeah of course. Borders are a thing for a reason but "globalism"... A right-wing buzzword with no real meaning is typically their go-to argument
We're a global economy. That's not going to change
Globalism took on "real meaning" with the pandemic in 2020 when they shut down travel and imposed quarantines and laws to close businesses around the world. This was no longer up to each nation but was being decided by people who were never chosen to represent their people. A year later they began to push the use of an experimental vaccine on the entire world. Again, these were decisions that until 2021 were left up to each nation to decide. Then in 2024 the UN passed the Pact for the Future which says in the event of a crisis (and they are very broad in the use of that term) the UN becomes the supreme authority over every nation.

So you are using logic based on pre pandemic world, not based on the world we are in today, try to catch up.
 

Dude653

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Globalism took on "real meaning" with the pandemic in 2020 when they shut down travel and imposed quarantines and laws to close businesses around the world. This was no longer up to each nation but was being decided by people who were never chosen to represent their people. A year later they began to push the use of an experimental vaccine on the entire world. Again, these were decisions that until 2021 were left up to each nation to decide. Then in 2024 the UN passed the Pact for the Future which says in the event of a crisis (and they are very broad in the use of that term) the UN becomes the supreme authority over every nation.

So you are using logic based on pre pandemic world, not based on the world we are in today, try to catch up.
The UN is a dog with no teeth.
Same reason all they did in Rwanda was evacuate the white people because they can't actually do anything
 

ZNP

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The UN is a dog with no teeth.
Same reason all they did in Rwanda was evacuate the white people because they can't actually do anything
No, you are still spouting old outdated comments. The Pact for the Future gives the UN real teeth.
 
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It's not 'good vs evil', it's this evil vs that evil. What makes it important to me is the Bible's numerous warnings that believers will be deceived by false prophets/teachers/leaders, some to the point of abandoning their faith. I don't want to see my brothers and sisters abandoning their faith, especially when they don't realize that they are doing it (hence the term 'deception'). So it is important, nay a calling, for me to point it out and render a warning. I'm not looking for bad stuff about the parties, I'm looking out for my brethren who are being deceived into unknowingly abandoning their faith. And that requires pointing out how it is happening, to expose the deception.

Hope you and yours are feeling better soon!
No really no explanation required,lol. Since the beginning of the internet there's been people saving us from goofing up our lives in every direction under the sun. Across the years I've been saved from the Democrats by the Republicans and the Republicans by the Democrats to the doctors who don't know what their doing by some guy with no degree in anything. There's even shriveled up old Army retirees with no training at nothing but playing solder that teach us how were suppose to do that. One things for sure all you need to do is post something on the internet and someone will come along, point out where your all wrong and explain to us all how to see it correctly.
 

JTB

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So again, murder, rape, theft, and dozens of others laws, they should all be abolished in your opinion?
Smh

This is one of those, I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

You miss the point because you want to miss the point. Nothin I can do about that.
 

JTB

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Globalism took on "real meaning" with the pandemic in 2020 when they shut down travel and imposed quarantines and laws to close businesses around the world. This was no longer up to each nation but was being decided by people who were never chosen to represent their people. A year later they began to push the use of an experimental vaccine on the entire world. Again, these were decisions that until 2021 were left up to each nation to decide. Then in 2024 the UN passed the Pact for the Future which says in the event of a crisis (and they are very broad in the use of that term) the UN becomes the supreme authority over every nation.

So you are using logic based on pre pandemic world, not based on the world we are in today, try to catch up.
And that is why satan laughs at us.

He has created in the left an evil so egregious, so horrifying, THAT BELIEVERS ARE WILLING TO EMBRACE WHOEVER STANDS AGAINST THEM.

Even if that side is equally, or more, evil.

And you were doing good until the 'try to keep up' comment. Everything up to there was a good argument, that was personal attack. Can we leave that part out?
 

ZNP

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And that is why satan laughs at us.

He has created in the left an evil so egregious, so horrifying, THAT BELIEVERS ARE WILLING TO EMBRACE WHOEVER STANDS AGAINST THEM.

Even if that side is equally, or more, evil.

And you were doing good until the 'try to keep up' comment. Everything up to there was a good argument, that was personal attack. Can we leave that part out?
John 11:1 Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha.

This event is what sets the stage for Jesus to ride triumphantly into Jerusalem. If this is prophetic Jesus riding triumphantly into Jerusalem and being crucified would be prophetic of the two witnesses who are killed in Jerusalem in the middle of the tribulation. At the beginning of this, before "the hour of trial", Lazarus is raised from the dead. That is a picture of the rapture. So my question is what event takes place prior to the rapture where "Lazarus", the servant of the Lord, is sick? Since we have plenty of reason to believe that the Feast of Trumpets was in the fall of 2021, announcing the coming of Jesus, and according to this portion two days after Lazarus gets sick He begins His journey to Jerusalem. That would be after the trumpets sounding announcing the coming of the king. Lazarus being sick could be a reference to the global Pandemic in 2020.

2 (It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.) 3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick.

The church was praying and Mary and Martha depict the worshipping saints and the serving saints.

4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

I have shared extensively from Joel how the Covid Pandemic tells us the Day of the Lord is at hand and that is essentially what Jesus says right here. This sickness is for the glory of God that the Son of God might be glorified.

5 Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus. 6 When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was. 7 Then after that saith he to his disciples, Let us go into Judaea again. 8 His disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to stone thee; and goest thou thither again?

When Jesus arrives we discover that Lazarus has been dead for four days. Suppose that refers to four years. Recently was anyone dead for four years? Anyone that the rulers tried to stone? This has certainly been a weird year with Trump having been removed from office, convicted of a felony and with two assassination attempts on his life and yet he has returned. Jesus is the body of all the shadows and these events are shadows of the Lord.

9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. 10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

That is certainly true of today, things are so confusing, no one can possibly see where they are to go without the light of the Lord.

11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

We have been using this term repeatedly the last four years about people being asleep and people being awake.

12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. 13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. 14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. 15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him. 16 Then said Thomas, which is called Didymus, unto his fellow disciples, Let us also go, that we may die with him. 17 Then when Jesus came, he found that he had lain in the grave four days already.

This is certainly the case. We are coming up on the fourth anniversary of January 6th.

18 Now Bethany was nigh unto Jerusalem, about fifteen furlongs off:

January 7th is the Eastern Orthodox celebration of Christmas and it is 15 days from inauguration day.

19 And many of the Jews came to Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. 20 Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house. 21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.

Over these last four years there are a lot of people who have died because of evil people lying about Covid, lying about the vaccine, lying about treatment, and imprisoning people over bogus charges. Christians have been praying over this for the last four years.

23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

This has been the message in 2024 ever since we saw the Writing on the Wall sign in the heavens. The rapture is about to happen.

27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

At this moment there are many Christians, like Martha not quite ready to admit that we are about to see the rapture, but at the same time they know the other Christians are on to something about the prophecies.

28 And when she had so said, she went her way, and called Mary her sister secretly, saying, The Master is come, and calleth for thee. 29 As soon as she heard that, she arose quickly, and came unto him. 30 Now Jesus was not yet come into the town, but was in that place where Martha met him. 31 The Jews then which were with her in the house, and comforted her, when they saw Mary, that she rose up hastily and went out, followed her, saying, She goeth unto the grave to weep there. 32 Then when Mary was come where Jesus was, and saw him, she fell down at his feet, saying unto him, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled. 34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see. 35 Jesus wept. 36 Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him! 37 And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died?

We see Mary depicting the worshipping saints and we see the Jews which are similar to nominal Christians. At this point everyone knows something is going on but few really have faith in the Lord as the resurrection and life. To them that is something far off in the future.

38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it. 39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days. 40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God? 41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. 42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.

This is the time for the believers to have faith that we will see the glory of God.

43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. 44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with grave clothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

Based on this story it seems that the rapture will be about 15 days from Inauguration day and four years after the Pandemic. By itself I would say this is a crazy interpretation, but with everything else we know about Joel, Daniel, the Pact for the Future being the confirming of the seven year covenant with the many, the Writing on the Wall sign, and everything we know about Christmas and Hanukkah pointing to the rapture taking place between December 25th and January 7th, this is not crazy, simply confirming.
 

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John 11:1 Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha.

This event is what sets the stage for Jesus to ride triumphantly into Jerusalem. If this is prophetic Jesus riding triumphantly into Jerusalem and being crucified would be prophetic of the two witnesses who are killed in Jerusalem in the middle of the tribulation. At the beginning of this, before "the hour of trial", Lazarus is raised from the dead. That is a picture of the rapture. So my question is what event takes place prior to the rapture where "Lazarus", the servant of the Lord, is sick? Since we have plenty of reason to believe that the Feast of Trumpets was in the fall of 2021, announcing the coming of Jesus, and according to this portion two days after Lazarus gets sick He begins His journey to Jerusalem. That would be after the trumpets sounding announcing the coming of the king. Lazarus being sick could be a reference to the global Pandemic in 2020.

2 (It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.) 3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick.

The church was praying and Mary and Martha depict the worshipping saints and the serving saints.

4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

I have shared extensively from Joel how the Covid Pandemic tells us the Day of the Lord is at hand and that is essentially what Jesus says right here. This sickness is for the glory of God that the Son of God might be glorified.

5 Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus. 6 When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was. 7 Then after that saith he to his disciples, Let us go into Judaea again. 8 His disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to stone thee; and goest thou thither again?

When Jesus arrives we discover that Lazarus has been dead for four days. Suppose that refers to four years. Recently was anyone dead for four years? Anyone that the rulers tried to stone? This has certainly been a weird year with Trump having been removed from office, convicted of a felony and with two assassination attempts on his life and yet he has returned. Jesus is the body of all the shadows and these events are shadows of the Lord.

9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. 10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

That is certainly true of today, things are so confusing, no one can possibly see where they are to go without the light of the Lord.

11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

We have been using this term repeatedly the last four years about people being asleep and people being awake.

12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. 13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. 14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. 15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him. 16 Then said Thomas, which is called Didymus, unto his fellow disciples, Let us also go, that we may die with him. 17 Then when Jesus came, he found that he had lain in the grave four days already.

This is certainly the case. We are coming up on the fourth anniversary of January 6th.

18 Now Bethany was nigh unto Jerusalem, about fifteen furlongs off:

January 7th is the Eastern Orthodox celebration of Christmas and it is 15 days from inauguration day.

19 And many of the Jews came to Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. 20 Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house. 21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.

Over these last four years there are a lot of people who have died because of evil people lying about Covid, lying about the vaccine, lying about treatment, and imprisoning people over bogus charges. Christians have been praying over this for the last four years.

23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

This has been the message in 2024 ever since we saw the Writing on the Wall sign in the heavens. The rapture is about to happen.

27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

At this moment there are many Christians, like Martha not quite ready to admit that we are about to see the rapture, but at the same time they know the other Christians are on to something about the prophecies.

28 And when she had so said, she went her way, and called Mary her sister secretly, saying, The Master is come, and calleth for thee. 29 As soon as she heard that, she arose quickly, and came unto him. 30 Now Jesus was not yet come into the town, but was in that place where Martha met him. 31 The Jews then which were with her in the house, and comforted her, when they saw Mary, that she rose up hastily and went out, followed her, saying, She goeth unto the grave to weep there. 32 Then when Mary was come where Jesus was, and saw him, she fell down at his feet, saying unto him, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled. 34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see. 35 Jesus wept. 36 Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him! 37 And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died?

We see Mary depicting the worshipping saints and we see the Jews which are similar to nominal Christians. At this point everyone knows something is going on but few really have faith in the Lord as the resurrection and life. To them that is something far off in the future.

38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it. 39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days. 40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God? 41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. 42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.

This is the time for the believers to have faith that we will see the glory of God.

43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. 44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with grave clothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

Based on this story it seems that the rapture will be about 15 days from Inauguration day and four years after the Pandemic. By itself I would say this is a crazy interpretation, but with everything else we know about Joel, Daniel, the Pact for the Future being the confirming of the seven year covenant with the many, the Writing on the Wall sign, and everything we know about Christmas and Hanukkah pointing to the rapture taking place between December 25th and January 7th, this is not crazy, simply confirming.
I hope you are right ... but I think you are crazy

No offense
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Smh

This is one of those, I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

You miss the point because you want to miss the point. Nothin I can do about that.

Well, at least you didn't call me crazy...
 

ZNP

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I hope you are right ... but I think you are crazy

No offense
So I tell Dude to "try and catch up" and that crossed some line, but you calling me crazy doesn't?

I agree that you have the right to your opinion but so do I. I don't agree that telling Dude to try and catch up crosses any line.
 

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John 11:1 Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha.

This event is what sets the stage for Jesus to ride triumphantly into Jerusalem. If this is prophetic Jesus riding triumphantly into Jerusalem and being crucified would be prophetic of the two witnesses who are killed in Jerusalem in the middle of the tribulation. At the beginning of this, before "the hour of trial", Lazarus is raised from the dead. That is a picture of the rapture. So my question is what event takes place prior to the rapture where "Lazarus", the servant of the Lord, is sick? Since we have plenty of reason to believe that the Feast of Trumpets was in the fall of 2021, announcing the coming of Jesus, and according to this portion two days after Lazarus gets sick He begins His journey to Jerusalem. That would be after the trumpets sounding announcing the coming of the king. Lazarus being sick could be a reference to the global Pandemic in 2020.

2 (It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.) 3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick.

The church was praying and Mary and Martha depict the worshipping saints and the serving saints.

4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

I have shared extensively from Joel how the Covid Pandemic tells us the Day of the Lord is at hand and that is essentially what Jesus says right here. This sickness is for the glory of God that the Son of God might be glorified.

5 Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus. 6 When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was. 7 Then after that saith he to his disciples, Let us go into Judaea again. 8 His disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to stone thee; and goest thou thither again?

When Jesus arrives we discover that Lazarus has been dead for four days. Suppose that refers to four years. Recently was anyone dead for four years? Anyone that the rulers tried to stone? This has certainly been a weird year with Trump having been removed from office, convicted of a felony and with two assassination attempts on his life and yet he has returned. Jesus is the body of all the shadows and these events are shadows of the Lord.

9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. 10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

That is certainly true of today, things are so confusing, no one can possibly see where they are to go without the light of the Lord.

11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

We have been using this term repeatedly the last four years about people being asleep and people being awake.

12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. 13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. 14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. 15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him. 16 Then said Thomas, which is called Didymus, unto his fellow disciples, Let us also go, that we may die with him. 17 Then when Jesus came, he found that he had lain in the grave four days already.

This is certainly the case. We are coming up on the fourth anniversary of January 6th.

18 Now Bethany was nigh unto Jerusalem, about fifteen furlongs off:

January 7th is the Eastern Orthodox celebration of Christmas and it is 15 days from inauguration day.

19 And many of the Jews came to Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. 20 Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house. 21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.

Over these last four years there are a lot of people who have died because of evil people lying about Covid, lying about the vaccine, lying about treatment, and imprisoning people over bogus charges. Christians have been praying over this for the last four years.

23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

This has been the message in 2024 ever since we saw the Writing on the Wall sign in the heavens. The rapture is about to happen.

27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

At this moment there are many Christians, like Martha not quite ready to admit that we are about to see the rapture, but at the same time they know the other Christians are on to something about the prophecies.

28 And when she had so said, she went her way, and called Mary her sister secretly, saying, The Master is come, and calleth for thee. 29 As soon as she heard that, she arose quickly, and came unto him. 30 Now Jesus was not yet come into the town, but was in that place where Martha met him. 31 The Jews then which were with her in the house, and comforted her, when they saw Mary, that she rose up hastily and went out, followed her, saying, She goeth unto the grave to weep there. 32 Then when Mary was come where Jesus was, and saw him, she fell down at his feet, saying unto him, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled. 34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see. 35 Jesus wept. 36 Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him! 37 And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died?

We see Mary depicting the worshipping saints and we see the Jews which are similar to nominal Christians. At this point everyone knows something is going on but few really have faith in the Lord as the resurrection and life. To them that is something far off in the future.

38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it. 39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days. 40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God? 41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. 42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.

This is the time for the believers to have faith that we will see the glory of God.

43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. 44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with grave clothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

Based on this story it seems that the rapture will be about 15 days from Inauguration day and four years after the Pandemic. By itself I would say this is a crazy interpretation, but with everything else we know about Joel, Daniel, the Pact for the Future being the confirming of the seven year covenant with the many, the Writing on the Wall sign, and everything we know about Christmas and Hanukkah pointing to the rapture taking place between December 25th and January 7th, this is not crazy, simply confirming.
Well... ya know... this is the Conspiracy Forum.

So... there's that.

You guys have a great week.
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ZNP

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I hope you are right ... but I think you are crazy

No offense
The simplest and most compelling evidence that we are about to see the rapture

I have put together about 200 verses pointing to the soon rapture of the church this winter.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DD4uTLBu6cPeOQFYYQYmrocCzAWzRLiI/view?usp=sharing

But the two things that sticks out to me as the simplest and most compelling evidence that this will take place this winter.

1. The sign of Jonah. Yes, we generally consider the death and resurrection of Jesus to be the sign of Jonah and then people argue about when He was crucified and that discussion falls between 30AD and 33 AD. But we can sidestep all of that because we know on the 9th of Av in 70 AD the temple was cast down. Jonah spent 40 days walking about the city telling them to repent or in 40 days the city of Nineveh would be cast down. God relented because they didn't know their right hand from their left. When Jesus' ministry first came to Judea the Pharisees declared they had officially determined that Jesus was casting out demons by Beelzebub the prince of the demons. Jesus told them this was the unforgiveable curse. They asked for a sign and He told them they would be given the sign of Jonah. This should be considered the start of Jonah telling Jerusalem to repent. The fact that the sin was unforgiveable indicates that God was not going to relent and Jesus expounds on that saying that since they say they can see their sin remains. Archaelogical records from the Temple tell us God did not receive the Atoning sacrifice from 30AD. So Jesus telling them this was prior to the Feast of Atonement. From other records we know that this took place around six months before His crucifixion and I would argue that it took place on the 9th of Av and that the temple was destroyed exactly 40 years to the day. Now in 70 AD the believers were scattered, Peter and James refer to them as being scattered abroad. From this point the Gentiles are receiving the gospel to repent and receive Jesus Christ as king. The Jewish leaders claimed to be wise, all knowing and a leader of the blind. They were given 40 years. The Gentiles in God's own words do not know their right hand from their left. They are given 40 jubilees. The jubilee year is the fiftieth year. However, 40 jubilees is not 2,000 years. The way you calculate a jubilee is you count seven weeks of years, 49 years, and then the first year of the next week of years is the Jubilee year. One jubilee is 50 years, but the second will be 2 x 49 +1 =99 years. The third will be 3 x 49 +1 = 148 years. The fortieth jubilee will be 40 x 49 +1 = 1,961 years. This began on 70 AD so this would mean the overthrow of the Gentiles known as Armageddon will be the summer of 2031. Some may not understand, so consider this. Jesus said you need to forgive 7 x 70 times. That is 490 times. The gospel has gone to the four corners of the earth. So 4 x 490 = 1960 years. After that comes the judgement.

2. The writing on the Wall. I like this sign because it was written in the heavens with the sun, moon and stars. The Bible tells us clearly that only God can do that. The Aleph Tav was written on the Continental US (in Greek that is the Alpha and Omega). So there is no confusion about where this judgment is coming, it is clearly and unequivocally on the US. This sign is so amazing it is impossible in this post to go through it extensively, however I have many posts in this blog that do cover it extensively (11,119, 11,120, 11,121, 11,126, 11.127 and 11,128 will all give you a review of AC Katz book on this sign, there are also many videos on Youtube expounding this sign, https://christianchat.com/blogs/summary-of-bible-references-on-the-rapture). This sign points to seven years of peace beginning in the solar eclipse of 2017. When you read Daniel chapter 5 he was "raptured" in typology after interpreting this sign, and Babylon was overthrown the same night that he interpreted this sign. I argue that this sign was interpreted in the Spring of 2024 and the same night refers to this winter.

Anyone still wondering how close we are to the rapture should look at these two points carefully.
 
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The simplest and most compelling evidence that we are about to see the rapture

I have put together about 200 verses pointing to the soon rapture of the church this winter.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DD4uTLBu6cPeOQFYYQYmrocCzAWzRLiI/view?usp=sharing

But the two things that sticks out to me as the simplest and most compelling evidence that this will take place this winter.

1. The sign of Jonah. Yes, we generally consider the death and resurrection of Jesus to be the sign of Jonah and then people argue about when He was crucified and that discussion falls between 30AD and 33 AD. But we can sidestep all of that because we know on the 9th of Av in 70 AD the temple was cast down. Jonah spent 40 days walking about the city telling them to repent or in 40 days the city of Nineveh would be cast down. God relented because they didn't know their right hand from their left. When Jesus' ministry first came to Judea the Pharisees declared they had officially determined that Jesus was casting out demons by Beelzebub the prince of the demons. Jesus told them this was the unforgiveable curse. They asked for a sign and He told them they would be given the sign of Jonah. This should be considered the start of Jonah telling Jerusalem to repent. The fact that the sin was unforgiveable indicates that God was not going to relent and Jesus expounds on that saying that since they say they can see their sin remains. Archaelogical records from the Temple tell us God did not receive the Atoning sacrifice from 30AD. So Jesus telling them this was prior to the Feast of Atonement. From other records we know that this took place around six months before His crucifixion and I would argue that it took place on the 9th of Av and that the temple was destroyed exactly 40 years to the day. Now in 70 AD the believers were scattered, Peter and James refer to them as being scattered abroad. From this point the Gentiles are receiving the gospel to repent and receive Jesus Christ as king. The Jewish leaders claimed to be wise, all knowing and a leader of the blind. They were given 40 years. The Gentiles in God's own words do not know their right hand from their left. They are given 40 jubilees. The jubilee year is the fiftieth year. However, 40 jubilees is not 2,000 years. The way you calculate a jubilee is you count seven weeks of years, 49 years, and then the first year of the next week of years is the Jubilee year. One jubilee is 50 years, but the second will be 2 x 49 +1 =99 years. The third will be 3 x 49 +1 = 148 years. The fortieth jubilee will be 40 x 49 +1 = 1,961 years. This began on 70 AD so this would mean the overthrow of the Gentiles known as Armageddon will be the summer of 2031. Some may not understand, so consider this. Jesus said you need to forgive 7 x 70 times. That is 490 times. The gospel has gone to the four corners of the earth. So 4 x 490 = 1960 years. After that comes the judgement.

2. The writing on the Wall. I like this sign because it was written in the heavens with the sun, moon and stars. The Bible tells us clearly that only God can do that. The Aleph Tav was written on the Continental US (in Greek that is the Alpha and Omega). So there is no confusion about where this judgment is coming, it is clearly and unequivocally on the US. This sign is so amazing it is impossible in this post to go through it extensively, however I have many posts in this blog that do cover it extensively (11,119, 11,120, 11,121, 11,126, 11.127 and 11,128 will all give you a review of AC Katz book on this sign, there are also many videos on Youtube expounding this sign, https://christianchat.com/blogs/summary-of-bible-references-on-the-rapture). This sign points to seven years of peace beginning in the solar eclipse of 2017. When you read Daniel chapter 5 he was "raptured" in typology after interpreting this sign, and Babylon was overthrown the same night that he interpreted this sign. I argue that this sign was interpreted in the Spring of 2024 and the same night refers to this winter.

Anyone still wondering how close we are to the rapture should look at these two points carefully.
Well, for the record, I don't believe you're crazy. But I'm not sure me being on your side is any help. :oops: I do hope you're right, I would love to see the rapture of the church sooner than later. I keep praying God will help me to be ready to go and all my loved ones and friends, and every one we can convince too. Even so, Lord Jesus, come.
 

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So I tell Dude to "try and catch up" and that crossed some line, but you calling me crazy doesn't?

I agree that you have the right to your opinion but so do I. I don't agree that telling Dude to try and catch up crosses any line.
First line, point taken, that was intended tongue-in-cheek but ok. My apologies.

Second - Making ANY debate personal crosses a line. And I guess that includes tongue-in-cheek. (If I include the winky emoji does that count?)
 

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The simplest and most compelling evidence that we are about to see the rapture

I have put together about 200 verses pointing to the soon rapture of the church this winter.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DD4uTLBu6cPeOQFYYQYmrocCzAWzRLiI/view?usp=sharing

But the two things that sticks out to me as the simplest and most compelling evidence that this will take place this winter.

1. The sign of Jonah. Yes, we generally consider the death and resurrection of Jesus to be the sign of Jonah and then people argue about when He was crucified and that discussion falls between 30AD and 33 AD. But we can sidestep all of that because we know on the 9th of Av in 70 AD the temple was cast down. Jonah spent 40 days walking about the city telling them to repent or in 40 days the city of Nineveh would be cast down. God relented because they didn't know their right hand from their left. When Jesus' ministry first came to Judea the Pharisees declared they had officially determined that Jesus was casting out demons by Beelzebub the prince of the demons. Jesus told them this was the unforgiveable curse. They asked for a sign and He told them they would be given the sign of Jonah. This should be considered the start of Jonah telling Jerusalem to repent. The fact that the sin was unforgiveable indicates that God was not going to relent and Jesus expounds on that saying that since they say they can see their sin remains. Archaelogical records from the Temple tell us God did not receive the Atoning sacrifice from 30AD. So Jesus telling them this was prior to the Feast of Atonement. From other records we know that this took place around six months before His crucifixion and I would argue that it took place on the 9th of Av and that the temple was destroyed exactly 40 years to the day. Now in 70 AD the believers were scattered, Peter and James refer to them as being scattered abroad. From this point the Gentiles are receiving the gospel to repent and receive Jesus Christ as king. The Jewish leaders claimed to be wise, all knowing and a leader of the blind. They were given 40 years. The Gentiles in God's own words do not know their right hand from their left. They are given 40 jubilees. The jubilee year is the fiftieth year. However, 40 jubilees is not 2,000 years. The way you calculate a jubilee is you count seven weeks of years, 49 years, and then the first year of the next week of years is the Jubilee year. One jubilee is 50 years, but the second will be 2 x 49 +1 =99 years. The third will be 3 x 49 +1 = 148 years. The fortieth jubilee will be 40 x 49 +1 = 1,961 years. This began on 70 AD so this would mean the overthrow of the Gentiles known as Armageddon will be the summer of 2031. Some may not understand, so consider this. Jesus said you need to forgive 7 x 70 times. That is 490 times. The gospel has gone to the four corners of the earth. So 4 x 490 = 1960 years. After that comes the judgement.

2. The writing on the Wall. I like this sign because it was written in the heavens with the sun, moon and stars. The Bible tells us clearly that only God can do that. The Aleph Tav was written on the Continental US (in Greek that is the Alpha and Omega). So there is no confusion about where this judgment is coming, it is clearly and unequivocally on the US. This sign is so amazing it is impossible in this post to go through it extensively, however I have many posts in this blog that do cover it extensively (11,119, 11,120, 11,121, 11,126, 11.127 and 11,128 will all give you a review of AC Katz book on this sign, there are also many videos on Youtube expounding this sign, https://christianchat.com/blogs/summary-of-bible-references-on-the-rapture). This sign points to seven years of peace beginning in the solar eclipse of 2017. When you read Daniel chapter 5 he was "raptured" in typology after interpreting this sign, and Babylon was overthrown the same night that he interpreted this sign. I argue that this sign was interpreted in the Spring of 2024 and the same night refers to this winter.

Anyone still wondering how close we are to the rapture should look at these two points carefully.
So, what happens January 8 if we're still here?
 

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No, it isn't. Where do our laws come from?!
From the legislative branch of the government
We put people in jail for murder and rape because those are crimes that hurt people..
We don't put people in jail for not following the Bible because we are not a theocracy
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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From the legislative branch of the government
We put people in jail for murder and rape because those are crimes that hurt people..
We don't put people in jail for not following the Bible because we are not a theocracy
The answer I was looking for was Judeo/Christian, that is where our laws are derived from. That's why you can't separate church from politics.

BTW abortion hurts someone...