Christian Nationalism (This deserves it's own thread)

[Dude653]

The answer I was looking for was Judeo/Christian, that is where our laws are derived from. That's why you can't separate church from politics.

BTW abortion hurts someone...

That's a myth. Our laws were not founded on judeo Christian principles.
That's why we don't burn witches or Stone people for being gay.
Most of our founding fathers were deist and not Christian and they made it abundantly clear that religion is to stay out of law making
The amendment clause in our constitution literally says that all laws must have a secular purpose

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

That's a myth. Our laws were not founded on judeo Christian principles.
That's why we don't burn witches or Stone people for being gay.
Most of our founding fathers were deist and not Christian and they made it abundantly clear that religion is to stay out of law making
The amendment clause in our constitution literally says that all laws must have a secular purpose

Well, remember I wasn't born here, but I don't think I'd agree with that view. But I wish someone would start a thread on that. Do we have one? I know America was formed not to favor one religion over the other, I don't believe they didn't want no religion in politics period. Too many statues and carvings in WA DC to make me believe that.

 

[ZNP]

So, what happens January 8 if we're still here?

Neither of those verse interpretations fail.

The interpretation from the sign of Jonah is pointing to Armageddon in August of 2031. There are many other verses that lead to an interpretation of a rapture prior to that. I no longer think the rapture is 7 years before that, though that is a common doctrine.

The second verse interpretation from Daniel 5 talks of a rapture and fall of Babylon the same night that Daniel interprets the Writing on the Wall sign. My interpretation is that the same night refers to the winter of 2024/2025. So that interpretation does not fail until March 21.

 

[Dude653]

Well, remember I wasn't born here, but I don't think I'd agree with that view. But I wish someone would start a thread on that. Do we have one? I know America was formed not to favor one religion over the other, I don't believe they didn't want no religion in politics period. Too many statues and carvings in WA DC to make me believe that.

Also, it's incredibly smug and pretentious to assume that someone would be okay with rape and murder just because he disagrees with you on Christian nationalism

 

[JTB]

The answer I was looking for was Judeo/Christian, that is where our laws are derived from. That's why you can't separate church from politics.

BTW abortion hurts someone...

2 Timothy 2: 3 Join with me in suffering, like a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 4 No one serving as a soldier gets entangled in civilian affairs, but rather tries to please his commanding officer.

And no, you don't please your commanding officer by ignoring Him and getting entangled in civilian affairs

 

[JTB]

Neither of those verse interpretations fail.

The interpretation from the sign of Jonah is pointing to Armageddon in August of 2031. There are many other verses that lead to an interpretation of a rapture prior to that. I no longer think the rapture is 7 years before that, though that is a common doctrine.

The second verse interpretation from Daniel 5 talks of a rapture and fall of Babylon the same night that Daniel interprets the Writing on the Wall sign. My interpretation is that the same night refers to the winter of 2024/2025. So that interpretation does not fail until March 21.

I get nervous when people try to pin a date on this.

So far, they've always been wrong.

 

[ParticularWife]

Heritage (physical and cultural) matters. So do location and historical neighbors. Nationalism is a kind of leftist ideology I do not ascribe to, as it is a leveling of identity to centralize political power, but the idea of 'nations' and particularity in government and law is perfectly sensible. There is no such thing as 'right wing' by the way, this is any idea, normal through human history, which offends leftists. Libertarians and Nazis aren't 'right wing' because they have deep sympathetic views of politics, but because they're slightly less ghey and r-tardist than the official position in the state priest class (academics, media).
I don't believe in the unity of state and church, the government is always a scam in some aspects, but they do have legitimate Spheres and Christians have a right to Christian government. Neutrality is a myth, Liberalism is false (and frankly bizarre), and politics is war.
America was a Christian, Anglo country and, if it isn't, Christians in America need to create their own elite of political, ideological, and financial power.
My inclinations are strongly libertarian, but in the decentralized, freeholder, English Leveller sense. Why? Because I'm an American. Do I think everyone in China needs to convert to English radical politics of the Revolution? No.
As far as immigration, nobody has any right to be in America but Americans. Anything beyond that is gratis, not a right of anyone.

 

[ZNP]

I get nervous when people try to pin a date on this.

So far, they've always been wrong.

There is a difference between a cult leader using his doctrine to gather a following and then leading them out to a field to await the return and someone else who is simply studying the word, investigating and trying and testing. My profession is a scientist. We begin with a hypothesis, not a guess, but an educated guess. Thomas Edison said he had not been wrong 99 times in making a light bulb, rather he had just discovered 99 things that didn't work. I don't see how what I am doing is any different than that. I also do not see why Jesus or the Father would have a problem with me studying the word of God.

Jesus charged us to watch, and that is what I have been doing.

He also said that when you see these things happen to look up because our redemption draws nigh, and that also is what I am doing.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Also, it's incredibly smug and pretentious to assume that someone would be okay with rape and murder just because he disagrees with you on Christian nationalism

Now you're the one setting up the straw man, that was not what I said at all.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

2 Timothy 2: 3 Join with me in suffering, like a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 4 No one serving as a soldier gets entangled in civilian affairs, but rather tries to please his commanding officer.

And no, you don't please your commanding officer by ignoring Him and getting entangled in civilian affairs

Tell that to John the Baptist, or Joseph, King David, there are others if I take the time to think.

 

[gb9]

That's a myth. Our laws were not founded on judeo Christian principles.
That's why we don't burn witches or Stone people for being gay.
Most of our founding fathers were deist and not Christian and they made it abundantly clear that religion is to stay out of law making
The amendment clause in our constitution literally says that all laws must have a secular purpose

so, we are a nation who's founding fathers said that we are " endowed by our Creator , with rights from that Creator, are NOT a Christian nation ( or founded as one, we are not anymore).

yeah , right.

and being a deist does not mean one is not a Christian...

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

That's a myth. Our laws were not founded on judeo Christian principles.
That's why we don't burn witches or Stone people for being gay.
Most of our founding fathers were deist and not Christian and they made it abundantly clear that religion is to stay out of law making
The amendment clause in our constitution literally says that all laws must have a secular purpose

That is incorrect.
There cannot be law without the lawGiver.
Just law is written in detail in the Old Testament.

>History<

 

[shittim]

No, it isn't. Where do our laws come from?![/

This from David Barton is a very accurate teaching on the foundation of our Judaeo-Christian government.

 

[Dude653]

so, we are a nation who's founding fathers said that we are " endowed by our Creator , with rights from that Creator, are NOT a Christian nation ( or founded as one, we are not anymore).

yeah , right.

and being a deist does not mean one is not a Christian...

That was the declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. The Constitution is a secular document
Also, deism isn't Christianity

 

[Dude653]

That is incorrect.
There cannot be law without the lawGiver.
Just law is written in detail in the Old Testament.

>History<

Nope, the ten commandments are not law. That's why it's not a crime to take God's name in vain or make a graven image.

 

[gb9]

That was the declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. The Constitution is a secular document
Also, deism isn't Christianity

the same men who wrote the declaration of independence also wrote the constitution.

so, there is that.

 

[Dude653]

the same men who wrote the declaration of independence also wrote the constitution.

so, there is that.

So we're just going to ignore the amendment clause to the first amendment of the Constitution that literally says that you don't get to have an official state religion and that all laws must service secular purpose?

 

[gb9]

So we're just going to ignore the amendment clause to the first amendment of the Constitution that literally says that you don't get to have an official state religion and that all laws must service secular purpose?

getting off track, going to what-about-what-about.

based on dude. based on.

the country was founded based Biblical principles. the constitution was written with Biblical principles in mind. not a theocracy. based on Biblical principles.

yes, they were clear about not wanting a gov. run religion..

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Nope, the ten commandments are not law. That's why it's not a crime to take God's name in vain or make a graven image.

I just provided you a factual citation.
If you read the old American laws, taking the Lord's Name in vain was indeed considered a crime, just as buggery/ sodomy.

Sodomy was considered a capital crime until 1861.

>Another Sodomy Law <

 

[JTB]

There is a difference between a cult leader using his doctrine to gather a following and then leading them out to a field to await the return and someone else who is simply studying the word, investigating and trying and testing. My profession is a scientist. We begin with a hypothesis, not a guess, but an educated guess. Thomas Edison said he had not been wrong 99 times in making a light bulb, rather he had just discovered 99 things that didn't work. I don't see how what I am doing is any different than that. I also do not see why Jesus or the Father would have a problem with me studying the word of God.

Jesus charged us to watch, and that is what I have been doing.

He also said that when you see these things happen to look up because our redemption draws nigh, and that also is what I am doing.

Ever hear of "crying wolf syndrome"?

The more you pick actual dates that prove wrong, the less credibility people will give you. Yes the wolf did eventually show up, but everyone missed it because the little boy's credibility was gone.

Also, Jesus said we would know the season, but not the day. Claiming to know the day is not Biblical.

Happy New Year my friend!