Concave Hollow Earth Theory

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kinda

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It's probably the strangest thing I've encountered.

The earth is a globe. --No... it's flat. No... it's not flat.... it's concave! And hollow!

Is it? Well, we could look into that.... in another thread. But for someone to argue that the earth is concave, they have to start with the first premise that the earth is not a round ball hurling through space-- and that's the most difficult idea for people to overcome because it's what everyone has been spoon-fed. So he has overcome that problem, presumably and moved on to this concave theory. Fine.

For the earth's surface to be concave however-- it's surface has to be essentially --- wait for it.......... flat.

Unless he just doesn't even understand what a meniscus is. Which is a possibility, given his troll-like mockery of flat earth theory. It's a very juvenile approach.

Your name calling is juvenile, and your arguments are laughable, but hey, you can believe what you want.

You want to know why flat earth is mocked so much, because you guys have no model, can't explain away stars, airplane flights, and have no proof of the ice wall. I have stated this for about a year now, but crickets. Then over and over again flat earthers think they have the upper hand in the non-sensical views....More power to you! lol

Maybe if you guys create one more flat earth thread, you might even convince yourself, that discussion has been won. :)

This is a model of the concave hollow earth, that proves airplane flight work seamlessly in a concave hollow earth. Notice how concave hollow earth has a model and how airplane flights work?!?!

This is a serious concern for flat earth believers. It just might be the reason airplane flights don't work with a flat earth is because..........wait for it.........flat earth has been proven wrong. Ohhh noooo! lol




"For the earth's surface to be concave however-- it's surface has to be essentially --- wait for it.......... flat." -Mr Ed


Sentence above is from a flat earther, not sure how anyone would even entertain a serious conversation with such a statement.

I think if you keep calling me a troll, keep believing the flat earth, and wish really hard, you could possibly still be wrong. We will have to wait and see though. lol

For your information, I know what a meniscus is, I have surgery in both knees. (humor alert)
 

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Your name calling is juvenile, and your arguments are laughable, but hey, you can believe what you want.

You want to know why flat earth is mocked so much, because you guys have no model, can't explain away stars, airplane flights, and have no proof of the ice wall. I have stated this for about a year now, but crickets. Then over and over again flat earthers think they have the upper hand in the non-sensical views....More power to you! lol

Maybe if you guys create one more flat earth thread, you might even convince yourself, that discussion has been won. :)

This is a model of the concave hollow earth, that proves airplane flight work seamlessly in a concave hollow earth. Notice how concave hollow earth has a model and how airplane flights work?!?!

This is a serious concern for flat earth believers. It just might be the reason airplane flights don't work with a flat earth is because..........wait for it.........flat earth has been proven wrong. Ohhh noooo! lol




"For the earth's surface to be concave however-- it's surface has to be essentially --- wait for it.......... flat." -Mr Ed


Sentence above is from a flat earther, not sure how anyone would even entertain a serious conversation with such a statement.

I think if you keep calling me a troll, keep believing the flat earth, and wish really hard, you could possibly still be wrong. We will have to wait and see though. lol

For your information, I know what a meniscus is, I have surgery in both knees. (humor alert)

First-- I didn't call you a name. I described you. Don't make assertions you can't back up.

Secondly, -you realize don't you that concave earth theory is based on flat earth theory. It's foundational to the premise. Without a flat surface there is no possibility of concavity. Setting the hollow issue aside (actually I think that the idea has merit) you simply can't get to a concave surface without a flat surface.

This is my last post in this thread because I find you to be childish, goading and troll-like Professor Dave.
 

kinda

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It's a troll move because I hadn't posted in your concave earth thread, but you copied a post I had made here and you pasted it over there (without even @ me) to make it appear like I had engaged you. And I responded in kind kinda.

If you want to be taken seriously, then grow up.
I have seen people do this sometimes in different threads and wait for it.....No one called these posters a troll.

You did engage with me, trying to some how discredit concave hollow earth with a poet, implying that he was first in pointing to a concave hollow earth. Which you were wrong of course.

What do you call a person that is wrong and won't admit it, but call the person who pointed out there error a troll?!?!

Answer: MrE

I think the reason you are name calling is because you are embarrassed, that you were wrong. You just can't admit your wrong maybe?!?!

I actually have quoted from different threads into my concave hollow earth thread a few times and wait for it, no one has responded to it in a negative way. I don't get much traffic in my thread, so have take what I can get from other threads. This is my reason why do this, not to troll anyone. You can obviously do and believe what you want though, I'm not in charge of you.

You can be as nasty as you want, flat earth has been proven wrong over and over again. No amount of name calling can camouflage, that the flat earth is just plain stupid to believe in, and those who don't see that, probably have mental health concerns, but that's not my area of expertise.

I should probably be nicer to flat earthers after realizing this could be a real possibility, don't want flat earthers to go postal, or something.

MrE are you a christian? I noticed you are new and just B-lined to the flat earth threads. What other threads have you posted in? Maybe you have some real good insights in the Bible. We all have gifts.
 

kinda

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First-- I didn't call you a name. I described you. Don't make assertions you can't back up.

Secondly, -you realize don't you that concave earth theory is based on flat earth theory. It's foundational to the premise. Without a flat surface there is no possibility of concavity. Setting the hollow issue aside (actually I think that the idea has merit) you simply can't get to a concave surface without a flat surface.

This is my last post in this thread because I find you to be childish, goading and troll-like Professor Dave.

I will certainly miss your extremely insightful views on flat earth and your failed attempts on proving concave hollow earth wrong.

And yes, saying someone is acting like a troll ("troll move") is so different, than calling someone is a troll. You sure got me there! :)


"you simply can't get to a concave surface without a flat surface." -MrE (flat earther believer)


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Black line is flat, blue line is concave. They are not the same. Any questions? lol
 

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This video was the final piece I needed to run my experiment. I was trying desperately how to figure a distance of a lake that I live by, now I now the distance, so next will have to do my survey, than after that, the experiment. Google earth will help prove concave hollow earth.

This experiment has already been done for like 200 years and youtube seems to have already proven, that with distance water horizon goes up, but this will be the final test. To see it for my own eyes, the proof of concave hollow earth. Oh yeah!

Also, I can show how do the experiment, and let people try it themselves, so my results will not be questioned. Excellent!

https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=30&h0=10&unit=imperial


 

kinda

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Show me one real picture from deep space that presents a flat or concave earth. There are millions that show a ball earth.

Also demonstrate how we can have a lunar eclipse with your crazy flat or concave earth garbage.

I suggest that all you who believe that the earth is any thing but a ball, get your head out of the sand and use your eyes.
Billy, ever hear of photoshop?!?! NASA probably has the best computer programs in the world to make images of the earth. Not saying they are all fake, but most of them look incredibly fake.

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Don't forget these beauties...

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This link below will explain why the I.S.S. image is not possible. I don't expect you to click on it, because...well, because I don't think you have an open mind, but they are solid points.

https://www.wildheretic.com/space-machines-do-not-orbit-the-earth/

This video below is probably the most complete and comprehensive of all the major talking points of the concave hollow earth. It covers your lunar eclipse, and also suggests why it doesn't work in a Heliocentric model. And also many points on why the Heliocentric model has no answers for, well at least in some people's minds anyways.




Sounds like your a big fan of the Globe Trodders, it's a professional acting sports team, just in case you didn't know.. Hint Hint!

I agree with you flat earth is false, but same with the Heliocentric model. See points listed in other threads for proof.
 

kinda

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This guy wild herectic is one of the leaders of concave hollow earth, here are his findings that show the heliocentric model in error.




His points....

Exhibit A – Where is the constant wind?
Exhibit B – Hovering, flying and falling
Exhibit C – Hardly any stellar parallax
Exhibit D – Scientific experiments
Conclusion

https://www.wildheretic.com/heliocentric-theory-is-wrong-pt1/

More details can be viewed by clicking on link above, but here are quick snapshots per point above.

Exhibit A

"Heliocentric theory states that the Earth rotates at 1675km/h at the equator, 1049km/h in London, and 231km/h in Alert, northern Canada. This rotation would cause winds of almost equal speeds on the Earth’s surface… constantly."

Exhibit B

"Even more obvious is the fact that the Earth does not rotate under hovering objects. A helicopter which hovers above the ground at ANY height from 1 meter all the way to its upper limit of around 8000 meters NEVER experiences the ground traveling 231km/h to 1675km/h West to East, or in any direction in fact."

Exhibit C

"The stars revolve 360° in 24 hours in an anti-clockwise fashion around the north polar star in the northern hemisphere, and clockwise around the southern star in the southern hemisphere. Photographers take photos with very long shutter speeds to show this effect.

This, you may think, is a good case for a rotating Earth; but on it’s own it is also a good case for a geocentric one, as it demonstrates that either the Earth is moving or the heavens.

However, after 6 months, those EXACT same stars are at the EXACT same location, as can be seen with the naked eye, at which they had been 6 months previously. The annual change in the position of stars in the sky is called stellar parallax. You can demonstrate this lack of parallax by following this experiment devised by Samuel Rowbotham of Zetetic Astronomy.

There are an estimated 100 to 200 billion galaxies in the universe (which is bunk, as there are no galaxies) each with up to 100 trillion stars! So being able to detect movement in 1% of the stars of our own galaxy is a miniscule amount. We also know about our space agencies’ weird and wonderful orbiting machines, so even this 1% is unlikely to be true.

This is a big problem for heliocentric theory which states that every 24 hours the Earth rotates on its axis at 1675km/h, revolving around the Sun at 107,000km/h, which in turn moves around the center of the galaxy at 900,000km/h, which moves in the universe at 2,160,000km/h!

Apart from the atmosphere disappearing at these speeds, how is there no stellar parallax, especially considering that all the other stars and galaxies are revolving around each other and the Earth as well. The sky must be a right mess! Each new day must bring a brand new unique constellation in the sky at night with some new stars getting nearer so they can be seen with the naked eye and some traveling further away and disappearing never to return for thousands or millions of years.

Before we move on, this lack of stellar parallax is the reason why advocates of heliocentric theory give the unbelievably enormous distances the heavenly bodies must be from Earth. They can’t measure it! The stars must be thousands and millions of light years away (with the Milky Way 100,000 light years across, 1 light year being 9.46 trillion kilometers!) because there is no (or little) detectable stellar parallax; otherwise heliocentric theory would be definitely wrong."


Exhibit D

"How do we know it is not the heavens or “space” which moves above us, instead of the Earth, which causes both the rotation of the stars and any of their hard-to-detect parallax. We now know it is the former, thanks to an experiment in 1871 by Astronomer Royal, George Airy; which is this:

If stellar parallax is too small to see with the naked eye, then why not artificially increase it. If the Earth rotates at the same speed constantly, then by slowing the light down (by filling the telescope with water), the angle of star movement would increase. If stellar parallax increased then the telescope would have to be tilted more to see the same star and prove a rotating Earth once and for all.

And guess what? As confirmed by others, the most careful measurements gave the same angle for a telescope with water as for one filled with air. This is called “Airy’s failure”. It proved the rotation of the heavens, not Earth, which moves stars.


The angle stayed the same, proving that the Earth does not rotate"


Conclusion:

"Conclusion
So far we have proved that:

  • The Earth does not tilt.
  • The Earth does not rotate.
  • The Sun moves, not the Earth.
  • The heavens move, not the Earth, which means that:
  • “Space” or the ether moves and not the Earth.
  • “Space” moves in a circular motion (and is probably a vortex)."
 

kinda

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90 day Concave Hollow Earth challenge.

This challenge is open until September 5, 2023.

This is an invitation to give evidence that disproves the Concave Hollow Earth. Many have tried, or failed to try, but this is your chance to tell kinda, why the Concave Hollow Earth is not possible.

If no evidence is given by September 5, 2023, the Concave Hollow Earth will officially be the undisputed winner of the true shape of the earth. To be fair, it already is, but at least it's open up to debate for 3 months.

Only sincere evidence will be acknowledged. I will once again, not respond to swimming airplanes, earth pimples, Hollywood movies, general mockery, time travel, or other distraction techniques.

Late entries will not be counted, sorry for that.

Once Challenge is over, I will be conducting an experiment, that has already been done by the U.S. Government, that proves a Concave Hollow Earth. After experiment is over, I will post the results, and that shall be the end of this thread.

I will sadly retire this thread, due to low participation, but at least the effort was there to shed light for the truth. I will than write my Thesis on Concave Hollow Earth, by using this thread. So, thanks for participating. I couldn't have done it, without you. lol
 

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90 day Concave Hollow Earth challenge.

This challenge is open until September 5, 2023.

This is an invitation to give evidence that disproves the Concave Hollow Earth. Many have tried, or failed to try, but this is your chance to tell kinda, why the Concave Hollow Earth is not possible.

If no evidence is given by September 5, 2023, the Concave Hollow Earth will officially be the undisputed winner of the true shape of the earth. To be fair, it already is, but at least it's open up to debate for 3 months.

Only sincere evidence will be acknowledged. I will once again, not respond to swimming airplanes, earth pimples, Hollywood movies, general mockery, time travel, or other distraction techniques.

Late entries will not be counted, sorry for that.

Once Challenge is over, I will be conducting an experiment, that has already been done by the U.S. Government, that proves a Concave Hollow Earth. After experiment is over, I will post the results, and that shall be the end of this thread.

I will sadly retire this thread, due to low participation, but at least the effort was there to shed light for the truth. I will than write my Thesis on Concave Hollow Earth, by using this thread. So, thanks for participating. I couldn't have done it, without you. lol
You're welcome.
 
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Billy, ever hear of photoshop?!?! NASA probably has the best computer programs in the world to make images of the earth. Not saying they are all fake, but most of them look incredibly fake.
Photo taken of the earth from a V-2 rocket in 1946. No Photoshop in 1946 :LOL::ROFL:
 

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kinda

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Photo taken of the earth from a V-2 rocket in 1946. No Photoshop in 1946 :LOL::ROFL:
To be honest, I was hoping for better. It's 2023, we should have video of earth traveling through the heavens. Ever consider this?

I know you think this case is closed, but you have a biased video of the image. There is always different views at looking at things.

Right off the bat, I honestly couldn't tell you what that picture is of. We can assume, it's from space looking at the earth, but can we trust anything that comes from the U.S.? I personally think, the U.S. was taken over in 1913. Anyways, I will get to the point...

By the way, thanks for giving it your best shot.

Here is just one way, of undermining the image.

Ever hear of optical illusions? Sometimes are minds play tricks on us.




Do have proof that anyone can verify on their own? You know do a test and come to a conclusion, rather than relying on a 3rd party for evidence? There should be some test, that everyone can confirm?

I will show my caveman test soon.
 

kinda

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No, but as long as he is somewhat respectful, I will try to be as well.
Fair enough.

Even though, the flat earth model is false, racerunner is on the right track, as well as other flat earthers, who question the shape of the earth.. Why do I say this?

Well, the ocean, or large bodies of water, make for a really good way, if not the only way to measure the earth's shape, for the average person. Water will generally be sculpted to shape of the earth, unlike dirt, and rock.

The Concave Hollow Earth has some history in Florida, and I find it funny, that I started believing in it, while living in Florida. Anyways...

The U.S. Geodetic Department did a survey on a lake in Naples, Florida. They found that the water goes uphill in both directions, after conducting the survey.


"The United States Geodetic Survey crew for two years conducted further experiments, among them measuring the surface of a long lake in Florida on the theory that water conforms to the true curvature of the Earths surface regardless of how the land may be, thus giving a true level only to find that the water curved uphill in each direction rather than downhill."

The above was a quote from a college website, but it was taken down, but it can be confirmed other places on the net. The survey was done in 1896 and 1897. I actually contacted NOAA to see, if I can find the survey, but was directed to a database, in which I couldn't find it...Sadly.

There was a commune of a Christian religious group, who believed in a Concave Hollow Earth, led by Cyrus Teed. He led a team to confirm the shape of the earth, by using the Rectilineator.


Someone might be asking, who cares? Well. there is a point. By running your own experiments and seeing the outcome, you can prove your point, instead of relying on third party evidence, which may, may not be true. There is no way to replicate NASA's proof, for the average person.

So, despite what anyone thinks, these seem to be the two best ways, of proving shape of earth, with a lake being the better of the two.

The Tamarack mind shaft experiment could be redone, but that would be extremely difficult, due to liability. Probably would need to be sponsored, so this test is really out of the question for the average person.

Both the Rectilineator and U.S. Geodetic survey pointed to a Concave Hollow Earth. There is also the Tamarack mind shaft experiments using magnets, that proved the center of earth was, 4,000 miles up, not 4,000 miles down.

One could say, I challenge these results. Well, the water survey is about the easiest to do, which I will be conducting myself, to confirm the results. The Rectilineator could be redone, but it would take a large budget, or possible redesigned to make it cheaper, and quicker. The Tamarack mind shaft experiment could be redone, but that would be extremely difficult, due to liability, and finding similar mine shafts.
 

kinda

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Billy, ever hear of photoshop?!?! NASA probably has the best computer programs in the world to make images of the earth. Not saying they are all fake, but most of them look incredibly fake.

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Don't forget these beauties...

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This link below will explain why the I.S.S. image is not possible. I don't expect you to click on it, because...well, because I don't think you have an open mind, but they are solid points.

https://www.wildheretic.com/space-machines-do-not-orbit-the-earth/
By the way, the link above has been disabled, and the owner of the site has stated why. Like many of the other links, there is a consorted effort to suppress alternative viewpoints, that question the status quo, especially if the present the truth. After I'm done writing my Thesis, I will retire from my concave hollow earth crusade.

It seems more and more people who question the official narrative are silenced, banned, arrested, die, and etc. The war on truth is real and I really feel that Christians will soon be persecuted around the world, because they are generally the ones, who don't go along with what the government wants.

Even some of the teachers who I listen to have stated, that they are being threatened of being shut down, and have warned their followers. Seems like we are about to go through another dark age.

 

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Science says, air temperatures cause mirage, while Concave Hollow Earth says, the ocean goes up, and not down.




I'm not sure how, it's an "inversion layer", when boat isn't inverted. Light bends up, as well as the ocean. You make the call. Inversion Layer, or Concave Hollow Earth. :)