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Deadtosin

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There are those who believe that conspiracy theories are ridiculous. I challenge you to explain what brought this building down.

This is the only steel structured building in history to be brought down by fire alone. The only other two in history were hit by aircraft. ALL 3 of them fell on the same day. So again here is the question.

"What brought down this building?"

[video=youtube;Mamvq7LWqRU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mamvq7LWqRU[/video]
 
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I posed a similar challenge in the Bible forum but on the issue of whether apostles and prophets are relevant and for today. No one has answered. If anyone even tries to explain 'this one', you can believe they won't be saying anything that is reasonable.
 
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That's really the trap. I want each individual to acknowledge to themselves that when it comes to real solid and absolute evidence that they are willingly rejecting and dismissing it.
 
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Jackson123

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Deadtosin said:
There are those who believe that conspiracy theories are ridiculous. I challenge you to explain what brought this building down.

This is the only steel structured building in history to be brought down by fire alone. The only other two in history were hit by aircraft. ALL 3 of them fell on the same day. So again here is the question.

"What brought down this building?"

[video=youtube;Mamvq7LWqRU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mamvq7LWqRU[/video]
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another question is who behind this conspiracy?
 
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After hearing one expert in the other video 'Gone in 7' state that the collapse followed the pattern found in demolition, and then stated how the building exactly how building 7 came down. (About 1:04 in the Gone in 7 video)

That isn't the way I observe it, it appears that building goes straight down uniformly, it doesn't appear that any particular side or middle began collapsing first.

In such, without knowing what the particular substrate upon which the structure was built, it would be conjecture to theorize without all the available facts.

But try this, suspend a piece of paper in air by simply having someone holding it level with both hands. Then take a dry sponge and place it on the paper suspended and slowly adding water to the sponge without getting water hitting the paper. As the sponge absorbs the water, it will begin wetting the paper. The paper will be losing tension strength unto the point that the weight of the sponge will break through and fall straight down.

That collapse of the other building could have weaken the substrate like the water from the sponge weaken the paper, and then all of the sudden the weight of the structure cause the collapse of the underlying substrate.

So I guess where I am called stupid and whatever for saying anything.
 
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Deadtosin

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Zmouth said:
After hearing one expert in the other video 'Gone in 7' state that the collapse followed the pattern found in demolition, and then stated how the building exactly how building 7 came down. (About 1:04 in the Gone in 7 video)

That isn't the way I observe it, it appears that building goes straight down uniformly, it doesn't appear that any particular side or middle began collapsing first.

In such, without knowing what the particular substrate upon which the structure was built, it would be conjecture to theorize without all the available facts.

But try this, suspend a piece of paper in air by simply having someone holding it level with both hands. Then take a dry sponge and place it on the paper suspended and slowly adding water to the sponge without getting water hitting the paper. As the sponge absorbs the water, it will begin wetting the paper. The paper will be losing tension strength unto the point that the weight of the sponge will break through and fall straight down.

That collapse of the other building could have weaken the substrate like the water from the sponge weaken the paper, and then all of the sudden the weight of the structure cause the collapse of the underlying substrate.

So I guess where I am called stupid and whatever for saying anything.
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If you watch the video carefully it is obvious the center begins to drop first. They do that so it will fall in on itself. Second, you can see that the building wasn't hit by the towers themselves but if you want to see the buildings that were hit by the towers Here they are. They still stand.

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Anyone interested in a little more info

[video=youtube;iEuJimaumW4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEuJimaumW4[/video]
 
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Zmouth said:
The paper will be losing tension strength unto the point that the weight of the sponge will break through and fall straight down.
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Also even on a different note, disregard the conspiracy for a moment. Regular fire doesn't weaken steel and even if you cut through it with a torch you could never liken it to a sponge falling through paper because once the paper gives the sponge hits air. A steel building even if a whole floor collapsed would meet a steel and concrete building just below it. The opposite of air. Again refer back to the pictures. You see that one buiding sliced nearly in half. Steel and concrete still standing strong.
 
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Zmouth said:
the way I observe it, it appears that building goes straight down uniformly, it doesn't appear that any particular side or middle began collapsing first.
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In the video I posted literally the very first second. Pay attention to the lifted section on the roof. You will see that give first and then try to pay attention to how the roof sags. That is called "crimping"
 
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Deadtosin said:
If you watch the video carefully it is obvious the center begins to drop first.
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Sorry, I don't see that center collapsing. This image is almost two seconds after the building starts collapsing. And if you have to look that close as to see it then it probably isn't there because if it was demolition it would have been pronounced.
 
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They even said it in an interview, they had to "pull" building 7, which in demolition terms means to rip down, to put explosive charges into it to demolish it (which takes several days with a large building like that!). It was planed all along with the destruction of the towers. In one of the news broadcast (from the BBC) you can even hear the speaker announce that building 7 just has collapsed, but in the background you can still see the building standing there, then about 20 minutes later it came down. Bad oops!

Here is the video of the reporter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP2t9nq9fI

Also the WTC towers were not brought down by airplanes! That is the lie they want you to believe. They were demolished the same way, they were "pulled", they used nano- thermite for it that could actually melt the steal in a split second, otherwise they would not have come down in a free fall like that.
 
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Zmouth said:
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Sorry, I don't see that center collapsing. This image is almost two seconds after the building starts collapsing. And if you have to look that close as to see it then it probably isn't there because if it was demolition it would have been pronounced.
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You can even see the explosive charges in the video cutting it nicely into 3 main parts so it falls straight down into itself, also pretty much in free fall time. Again, same as the towers!
 
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Zmouth said:
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Sorry, I don't see that center collapsing. This image is almost two seconds after the building starts collapsing. And if you have to look that close as to see it then it probably isn't there because if it was demolition it would have been pronounced.
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Give me the same frame at 0:00 and you will see a large section on the roof that is missing from your current pic.
 
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Zmouth said:
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Sorry, I don't see that center collapsing. This image is almost two seconds after the building starts collapsing. And if you have to look that close as to see it then it probably isn't there because if it was demolition it would have been pronounced.
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also, even in this frame anyone can clearly see the roof sagging in the middle.
 
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Jackson123 said:
another question is who behind this conspiracy?
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Well, this building fell during the "terrorist attacks" on 9-11. If in fact they were brought down by demolition charges then the United states government has been covering it up- and what do we call at the very least someone who covers up a crime? an accomplice.
 
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Zmouth said:
After hearing one expert in the other video 'Gone in 7' state that the collapse followed the pattern found in demolition, and then stated how the building exactly how building 7 came down. (About 1:04 in the Gone in 7 video)

That isn't the way I observe it, it appears that building goes straight down uniformly, it doesn't appear that any particular side or middle began collapsing first.

In such, without knowing what the particular substrate upon which the structure was built, it would be conjecture to theorize without all the available facts.

But try this, suspend a piece of paper in air by simply having someone holding it level with both hands. Then take a dry sponge and place it on the paper suspended and slowly adding water to the sponge without getting water hitting the paper. As the sponge absorbs the water, it will begin wetting the paper. The paper will be losing tension strength unto the point that the weight of the sponge will break through and fall straight down.

That collapse of the other building could have weaken the substrate like the water from the sponge weaken the paper, and then all of the sudden the weight of the structure cause the collapse of the underlying substrate.

So I guess where I am called stupid and whatever for saying anything.
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If the collapse other building have such power to weaken the steel structure why human, bone structure not collapse?

Which is stronger human structure or steel structure, A lot of people closer to the building than building no 7 survive.


Why other building closer than building no 7 not collapse.

Can you provide the text book the theory that the collapse of one building will collapse other building?
 
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Deadtosin said:
That's really the trap. I want each individual to acknowledge to themselves that when it comes to real solid and absolute evidence that they are willingly rejecting and dismissing it.
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And it's important to set truth glaringly before some people due to the immense denial most people prefer to live in. It's important for people to know the actual truth-- "something is wrong"-- and then choose to remain passive and indifferent with real facts in their hands rather than remaining passive with the excuse that "nothing is wrong".
 
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Deadtosin said:
Well, this building fell during the "terrorist attacks" on 9-11. If in fact they were brought down by demolition charges then the United states government has been covering it up- and what do we call at the very least someone who covers up a crime? an accomplice.
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I agree, but I don't believe that United State Government doing this crazy thing by itself. Yes I believe United state cover up the crime. but it is because other institution, tray to weaken United state, infiltrate to the congress and government to do such thing use American technology and resources.
 
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Jackson123 said:
I agree, but I don't believe that United State Government doing this crazy thing by itself. Yes I believe United state cover up the crime. but it is because other institution, tray to weaken United state, infiltrate to the congress and government to do such thing use American technology and resources.
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I agree, and so did this congressman.

“The Rockefellers and their allies have, for at least fifty years, been carefully following a plan to use their economic power to gain political control of first America, and then the rest of the world. Do I mean conspiracy? Yes, I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent.” Congressman Larry P. McDonald,
 
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Allin said:
And it's important to set truth glaringly before some people due to the immense denial most people prefer to live in. It's important for people to know the actual truth-- "something is wrong"-- and then choose to remain passive and indifferent with real facts in their hands rather than remaining passive with the excuse that "nothing is wrong".
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I agree. The truth is the truth. If you can't do anything about it or don't want to think about it okay. But don't blind yourself to the reality that is. Especially for all of us that have the perfect peace found in Jesus Christ. What do we have to fear? nothing.
 
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