I.C.E. vs Mark 9;42 & Matt18;6

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calibob

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Regarding children; "If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who belong to me--to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drown in the depths of the sea." Matthew 18: 6 NIV

What's that say about Immigrations & customs enforcement??
 

RickyZ

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That's it's business as usual along the march to the antichrist?
 

calibob

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Tearing crying babbies away from nursing Moms and sending them to internment camps is abomidible.
 

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Tearing crying babbies away from nursing Moms and sending them to internment camps is abomidible.
Being a parent and placing your family in such a position is messed up too .
Blessings
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calibob

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Agreed, we had a family friend kidnapped in TJ then transported Nuevo Loredo and ransomed by a cartel. People try to run from Honduras, or Guatemala and wind up somewhere between the Gulf of Mexico and San Diego where the cartels are worse. It's a dirty shame is all. If the U.S. can't help our neighbors better than that, why spend $170,000,000,000 on defending Afganistan, Kuait, and other places I can't even spell? The money for all of the dope comes from here.

When Herod decided to kill all of the infants in order to murder Jesus, he Joseph and Mary fled to Egypt. They were refuges too. Matt 2:13-18...Love and mercy would be a good start.
 

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Regarding children; "If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who belong to me--to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drown in the depths of the sea." Matthew 18: 6 NIV

What's that say about Immigrations & customs enforcement??
In regard to the scripture it is talking of children stumbling in the Faith or beliefs about Jesus.. If people indoctrinate kids into a false doctrine that is not the true Gospel that saves then they have caused a little one to stumble..

I.C.E and it's law related activities have nothing to do with this verse.. I.C.E is not a cult like the mormons of SDA teaching another gospel to the illegal immigrants it is detaining and removing from the USA..
 

calibob

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So putting into children into criminal detention like dogs won't cause ANY to stumble? I suppose that the soldiers who put children to the sword for Herod were justified and didn't know in their hearts it was wrong,? Joseph was not a criminal for escaping, or was it ok just because he got away with it? I suppose the freemasons or John Birch society aren't cults too?

Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites for their zeal and pride fullness regarding the law. Please think twice before you answer.
 

Nehemiah6

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Tearing crying babies away from nursing Moms and sending them to internment camps is abominable.
Actually the reports about internment camps are false and pure propaganda. Those kids are being given better care than a lot of children of actual citizens.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ving-than-13m-impoverished-american-children/

But the proper procedure would be this:

1. TOTALLY BLOCK ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FROM ENTERING THE COUNTRY

2. IF THEY SOMEHOW VIOLATE THE BORDER, ARREST THE ADULTS AND DEPORT THEM IMMEDIATELY (WITH ALL FAMILY MEMBERS)

3. PUT THEIR GOVERNMENTS ON NOTICE THAT THEY WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND ALL AID FUNDS WILL BE CUT OFF

4. PUT MEXICO ON NOTICE THAT THE BORDER WILL BE PERMANENTLY SHUT DOWN UNLESS THEY PREVENT MIGRANT INVASION FROM THEIR SIDE

5. BUILD THAT WALL PROPERLY AND THEN MONITOR IT PROPERLY 24/7

This whole issue about babies and mothers would not even arise if the existing immigration laws were strictly applied. Illegal immigrants are essentially law-breakers -- criminals -- whether they bring little children to garner sympathy or not. If someone can be imprisoned for a few grams of narcotics, then why should illegals be given privileges over legal immigrants?

Also, the Central American countries have billions of narco-dollars. Which means that all their citizens could be looked after if they wished to look after them. There must be ways and means to convince them to do the right thing.
 
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Agreed, we had a family friend kidnapped in TJ then transported Nuevo Loredo and ransomed by a cartel. People try to run from Honduras, or Guatemala and wind up somewhere between the Gulf of Mexico and San Diego where the cartels are worse. It's a dirty shame is all. If the U.S. can't help our neighbors better than that, why spend $170,000,000,000 on defending Afganistan, Kuait, and other places I can't even spell? The money for all of the dope comes from here.

When Herod decided to kill all of the infants in order to murder Jesus, he Joseph and Mary fled to Egypt. They were refuges too. Matt 2:13-18...Love and mercy would be a good start.
Actually plenty of heroin comes from the middle East. Not to mention plenty of sex trafficking, including children. Terrorists, of course. The ones we're trying to end.
 

calibob

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Actually the reports about internment camps are false and pure propaganda. Those kids are being given better care than a lot of children of actual citizens.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ving-than-13m-impoverished-american-children/

But the proper procedure would be this:

1. TOTALLY BLOCK ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FROM ENTERING THE COUNTRY

2. IF THEY SOMEHOW VIOLATE THE BORDER, ARREST THE ADULTS AND DEPORT THEM IMMEDIATELY (WITH ALL FAMILY MEMBERS)

3. PUT THEIR GOVERNMENTS ON NOTICE THAT THEY WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND ALL AID FUNDS WILL BE CUT OFF

4. PUT MEXICO ON NOTICE THAT THE BORDER WILL BE PERMANENTLY SHUT DOWN UNLESS THEY PREVENT MIGRANT INVASION FROM THEIR SIDE

5. BUILD THAT WALL PROPERLY AND THEN MONITOR IT PROPERLY 24/7

This whole issue about babies and mothers would not even arise if the existing immigration laws were strictly applied. Illegal immigrants are essentially law-breakers -- criminals -- whether they bring little children to garner sympathy or not. If someone can be imprisoned for a few grams of narcotics, then why should illegals be given privileges over legal immigrants?

Also, the Central American countries have billions of narco-dollars. Which means that all their citizens could be looked after if they wished to look after them. There must be ways and means to convince them to do the right thing.

How about annexing the entire area south of our borders. Remove all troops from police actions abroad and send them to mexico, central and south americas, allow mexico and canada to join the united states but limit migration and stimulate jobs to compeye against asia. Finally martial law, execute drug smugglers !st offence.

MAKE AMERICA RED, WHITE, YELLOW AND BROWN AGAIN like we found it, except for the white people.
 

calibob

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Actually the reports about internment camps are false and pure propaganda. Those kids are being given better care than a lot of children of actual citizens.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ving-than-13m-impoverished-american-children/

But the proper procedure would be this:

1. TOTALLY BLOCK ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FROM ENTERING THE COUNTRY

2. IF THEY SOMEHOW VIOLATE THE BORDER, ARREST THE ADULTS AND DEPORT THEM IMMEDIATELY (WITH ALL FAMILY MEMBERS)

3. PUT THEIR GOVERNMENTS ON NOTICE THAT THEY WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND ALL AID FUNDS WILL BE CUT OFF

4. PUT MEXICO ON NOTICE THAT THE BORDER WILL BE PERMANENTLY SHUT DOWN UNLESS THEY PREVENT MIGRANT INVASION FROM THEIR SIDE

5. BUILD THAT WALL PROPERLY AND THEN MONITOR IT PROPERLY 24/7

This whole issue about babies and mothers would not even arise if the existing immigration laws were strictly applied. Illegal immigrants are essentially law-breakers -- criminals -- whether they bring little children to garner sympathy or not. If someone can be imprisoned for a few grams of narcotics, then why should illegals be given privileges over legal immigrants?

Also, the Central American countries have billions of narco-dollars. Which means that all their citizens could be looked after if they wished to look after them. There must be ways and means to convince them to do the right thing.
I hope that sounded as stupid to you as both of our statements sounded to me. Causing the USA to turn isolationist was in Stalins playbook since the 1940s. Mexico isn't stealing our jobs, unless you pick avocados. Wal Marts sent them to China. We need to unite with our neighbors to defend our selves against Marxisim and Fascisim that are taking them (our neighbors) over. They are nearly defensless

The Berlin wall was a disaster and so were concentration camps, gulags, death camps, forced sterilization privatization of government business (fascisim) and governmentization of private business (marxisim) they were both dumb ideas then and never worked which makes them even worse now.

We can't solve the problems of the world with capitalism or socialism either, Wall Street has sold us out, we need to put our heads together, work together and figure this out together while we still have a continent we can save.
 

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This made my morning local news program. Actually it probably made everybody's local morning news program.

I'm reading that the blanket photo going around is from 2014, is this true?
 

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Being a parent and placing your family in such a position is messed up too .
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While I agree if the parents are falsely claiming they are being persecuted in order to obtain citizenship. However, when parents are legitimately seeking political asylum then you can't really blame the parents for putting them in this type of position, if in fact they were being persecuted by their government. Being temporarily seperated, yet well provided for, is a much better option for those seeking asylum than the conditions they face in the own countries.
 

Nehemiah6

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However, when parents are legitimately seeking political asylum...
Well are they really seeking "political asylum" or have they been coached by others (with their own agenda) to use that as an excuse to flood the country with illegals?

The UN (which is about as left-wing as you can get) did a recent study about genuine refugees versus pretend refugees. Guess what? LESS THAN ONE PERCENT were genuine! You can check it out for yourself.

Children have become pawns in this game of border violations. And it has now been confirmed that 80% of those children have been sent ON THEIR OWN by their parents. And some of the illegals are falsely claiming to be parents. So those poor children are being used to garner sympathy and this is all a deliberate plot and a scam.

What bothers me and puzzles me is why in the world did Trump fail to shut down the border in April, when the whole world knew that a flood of illegal migrants was coming to the southern border? Why were Mexico and all the Central American countries not put on notice, when there was plenty of time to do so? Why was Mexico not informed that there would be no cross-border commerce until and unless they dealt with this nonsense properly?

Now Trump is paying the price for failing to do what he promised.
 

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I hope that sounded as stupid to you as both of our statements sounded to me. Causing the USA to turn isolationist was in Stalins playbook since the 1940s. Mexico isn't stealing our jobs, unless you pick avocados. Wal Marts sent them to China. We need to unite with our neighbors to defend our selves against Marxisim and Fascisim that are taking them (our neighbors) over. They are nearly defensless

The Berlin wall was a disaster and so were concentration camps, gulags, death camps, forced sterilization privatization of government business (fascisim) and governmentization of private business (marxisim) they were both dumb ideas then and never worked which makes them even worse now.

We can't solve the problems of the world with capitalism or socialism either, Wall Street has sold us out, we need to put our heads together, work together and figure this out together while we still have a continent we can save.
This is unbelievably naive. YES, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE TAKING JOBS AWAY FROM CITIZENS OF U.S. They have taken almost ALL of construction work on the residential and commercial levels - especially on less skilled manual work. ALL landscaping work. All concrete work, drywall, brickwork, siding - basically every single less skilled trade. The forgotten working class black personnel, who literally owned concrete and brickwork, have remained unemployed since 2009. Labor prices have actually dropped over the last 20 years in real dollar terms. No one in landscaping even competes unless they hire illegals. And the reason all this happens is because the illegal immigrants do not play by the same rules as a US citizen is required to do. The immigrant is actually exploited because they are NOT offered workman's comp or liability insurance (required of the working class citizen), not provided a legal minimum wage (required of the working class citizen) and NOT paying taxes on earnings - also required of the working class citizen. The short cuts these immigrants are taking (illegally) more than make up for their earnings! They actually end up making as much or more than the citizen would have realized.

And don't believe for a second that American employers go through e-verify. The way they get around it is through sub contract. By the time contracted work gets to the worker, it's been buried enough so that every middle man gets CYA protection. I've seen it EVERY DAY.

No one who's an educated or well trained US worker worries at all about any of this. Just as long as they get their lawn mowed for next to nothing and just as long as the builder gets his drywall hung for cheap, they sit around and tell everybody the immigrant is doing work that American's won't - like pick avocados for crying out loud.
 

calibob

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Do you not believe american workers need at least two years of college to compete with chineese workers? Don't you think that the major banks are going to fail when the federal reserve bank stops lending money and calls in the debt? What will happen to construction then? They are twentieth century jobs about to follow the horse and buggie.

Do you not know that the fed is a private business and the only way the rest of the banks are supported by institutionalized socialism and the government borrows money from the fed that will never be repaid in our lifetimes?
 

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Regarding children; "If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who belong to me--to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drown in the depths of the sea." Matthew 18: 6 NIV

What's that say about Immigrations & customs enforcement??

This Scripture is out of context... It is about turning children from Messiah. Allowing illegals to be with their children not immigrants... Immigrants that go thru the proper channels do not have this conflict! It is hard to form an opinion one way or another about separating children from their parents. I get it make being illegal "hard" it will make other illegals think twice. It is sad, yes. But, we are a nation of immigrants NOT ILLIGALS!!! We can not be short sighted of this!!!
 

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Regarding children; "If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who belong to me--to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drown in the depths of the sea." Matthew 18: 6 NIV

What's that say about Immigrations & customs enforcement??
those people violated US immigration laws and it is not the fault of US government if the offenders were separated from their children.

it is also in the Bible to follow ordinances of men for God's sake in 1 Peter 2:13.

there is no good reason for disobedience. the law is the law.

if you don't want to be separated from your children then never violate American immigration laws.
 

calibob

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Jesus was a refugee child too, in Egypt when Herod was after him. Would you turn him away? Do you think he had a green card saying 'SON OF GOD'? What did Jesus call those who tried to impose the law? Quick, it starts with an 'H'