Is conspiracy, 'Mark of the Beast,' an unhealthy obsession for Christians?

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dcontroversal

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Beats me. They lived a long time ago. So since I never them personally, it's hard to say.
His point was simple.....there is an 8 to 1 ratio of verses concerning the 2nd coming compared to the 1st coming.....the prophets he listed including PAUL and John were inspired to write of and testify of the end of the age, the coming of Christ etc.......I.E. the bible contains thousands of verses in context concerning the end....it is not an unhealthy obsession to study, be aware of, specialize in and or be concerned with the end of the age.........If God did not want us to be fully aware, he would not have inspired so much teaching upon the subject for us to study.......
 

cv5

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Beats me. They lived a long time ago. So since I never them personally, it's hard to say.
Oh is that all? I call to your attention the fact that all were servants of the Most High God who were duly conscripted to write the inspired Scripture.
 

Alertandawake

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I came across a article today that is a very interesting read. Read up on Nanopatch Technology. Have a search for Vaxxer Nanopatch. It is a interesting read. Also do a search for "deep reactive ion etching nanopatch" interesting articles.
 

Shc

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Regarding the title of this thread, a good example of the need to study end-time events, including the information regarding the mark of the beast is that, most Christians don't even under stand that the technology for the mark has been with us for several years!

When God first called me at age 14, I was immediately drawn to end-time events and still am. I had studied it enough to know that when the first ATM''s went up, I new that this was relevant to the mark technology. Following that came the Universal Product Code (UPC), followed by the Point of Sale system, which allowed everyone to begin to make their purchases (buying) by swiping their cards. There have been and are other methods such as FOB's and cell phone bank apps to perform the same function.

This electronic crediting and debiting system (buying and selling) is in place and has been evolving in preparation for that coming antichrist/beast and his mark. The direct technology for the mark is also here. Beginning in Sweden, businesses have been offering employees the option of having an RFID chip implanted under the skin of the hand for the purpose of building security, the use of company machines and making food purchases. This technology has now come to the US.

I believe that this RFID chip will continue to evolve into something more applicable, leading up to the revealing of the antichrist. When the time comes, all other methods of buying and selling such as cash, checks, card swiping, etc., will be made obsolete by the beasts kingdom, leaving his mark as the only valid means of electronic crediting and debiting an individuals bank account.

Yes, we should be obsessed with understanding end-time events, including the information God gave us regarding the mark. Like I said, many of those in Christ don't even understand where we are in regards to end-time events. They just think that this electronic crediting and debiting system is just man-made technology and nothing more.

Once this mark becomes the only valid means of electronic buying and selling, it will be that proverbial line being drawn in the sand. From that time forward there will be no gray area. No fence sitting. The choice will be reject it or receive it. Those who reject it will not be able to hold a job, pay their bills, mortgages, rents, food, gas, or buy anything at all. Those who will reject it, will be those tribulation saints, for they know that the beast and his mark will be against God. Those who do receive it to save their lives, will suffer the following in the lake of fire:

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Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. “And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.” - NASB
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It's important for us to understand this information so that we can warn unbelievers about what is coming, as well as to other believers.

thank you for your very valuable insight....." many of those in Christ don't even understand where we are in regards to end-time events" I can relate to that statement.
 
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FullyLoved

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Will the Mark be some sort of tech? Maybe. People obsess about it, interestingly enough there is artificall skin tatoo that can hold electronics powered by bodys own electronic impluses. Is this Mark? unlikely.
Things like that are the beginning. I don't think the mark will come until after the anti-christ comes. In order to have the mark of the beast, wouldn't the anti-christ/tribulation already have to be set in motion? To receive it is to worship the beast, and the image of the beast, more than the Lord Himself. Think in terms of idolatry. God hates idolatry it is written throughout scripture just how much he hates it. Satan is so wicked and deceptive you can imagine that followers of the beast will be so corrupted, sordid, and perverse in what they believe and think truth and love is.

[/QUOTE]So what is the Mark? We will only know when it happens. Personally I think its a spiritual mark. The Anti-christ needs an army to fight Christ and Angel. What better way than to have all the human sheep take something that will change DNA maybe, definitly something that will also work on the spiritual side as well. The mark will be a visable change in the body which can be seen by other people who have taken it. With the body and spirit corrupted by DNA it will be impossible for those people to enter heaven and only place for them is hell.

So yes, do you study take an interest, but when it starts to consume you and you go looking for the Anti-christ and live in fear of the Mark, then yes that is when its unhealthy and wrong. So Stop. We will know the Anti-Christ when he emerges. However some folks think he as been and gone.[/QUOTE]

The Bible also says nobody will be able to buy and sell without having the mark. Your theory about it being a spiritual mark is interesting, because followers of Christ are sealed, so it would make sense that the mark of the beast would be a mockery of that.
 
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thank you for your very valuable insight....." many of those in Christ don't even understand where we are in regards to end-time events" I can relate to that statement.
So I take it we are in tribulation. I don't know fully what the terms mean.
 
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FullyLoved

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I came across a article today that is a very interesting read. Read up on Nanopatch Technology. Have a search for Vaxxer Nanopatch. It is a interesting read. Also do a search for "deep reactive ion etching nanopatch" interesting articles.
This kind of knowledge isn't the type you should research if it does nothing for the gospel of Christ. It's like eve taking a bite from the tree of knowledge.
I came across a article today that is a very interesting read. Read up on Nanopatch Technology. Have a search for Vaxxer Nanopatch. It is a interesting read. Also do a search for "deep reactive ion etching nanopatch" interesting articles.
I'd rather not glorify the work of Satan.
 

cv5

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Things like that are the beginning. I don't think the mark will come until after the anti-christ comes. In order to have the mark of the beast, wouldn't the anti-christ/tribulation already have to be set in motion? To receive it is to worship the beast, and the image of the beast, more than the Lord Himself. Think in terms of idolatry. God hates idolatry it is written throughout scripture just how much he hates it. Satan is so wicked and deceptive you can imagine that followers of the beast will be so corrupted, sordid, and perverse in what they believe and think truth and love is.
So what is the Mark? We will only know when it happens. Personally I think its a spiritual mark. The Anti-christ needs an army to fight Christ and Angel. What better way than to have all the human sheep take something that will change DNA maybe, definitly something that will also work on the spiritual side as well. The mark will be a visable change in the body which can be seen by other people who have taken it. With the body and spirit corrupted by DNA it will be impossible for those people to enter heaven and only place for them is hell.

So yes, do you study take an interest, but when it starts to consume you and you go looking for the Anti-christ and live in fear of the Mark, then yes that is when its unhealthy and wrong. So Stop. We will know the Anti-Christ when he emerges. However some folks think he as been and gone.[/QUOTE]

The Bible also says nobody will be able to buy and sell without having the mark. Your theory about it being a spiritual mark is interesting, because followers of Christ are sealed, so it would make sense that the mark of the beast would be a mockery of that.[/QUOTE]
"I don't think the mark will come until after the anti-christ comes. In order to have the mark of the beast"

Correct IMO.
 
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FullyLoved

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So what is the Mark? We will only know when it happens. Personally I think its a spiritual mark. The Anti-christ needs an army to fight Christ and Angel. What better way than to have all the human sheep take something that will change DNA maybe, definitly something that will also work on the spiritual side as well. The mark will be a visable change in the body which can be seen by other people who have taken it. With the body and spirit corrupted by DNA it will be impossible for those people to enter heaven and only place for them is hell.

So yes, do you study take an interest, but when it starts to consume you and you go looking for the Anti-christ and live in fear of the Mark, then yes that is when its unhealthy and wrong. So Stop. We will know the Anti-Christ when he emerges. However some folks think he as been and gone.

I see what you're doing. You really need to quit.
 

Ahwatukee

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Things like that are the beginning. I don't think the mark will come until after the anti-christ comes. In order to have the mark of the beast, wouldn't the anti-christ/tribulation already have to be set in motion?
Good day FullyLoved,

While it is true that the mark will not become manditory as the only way of electronic buying and selling until the middle of that seven years, the technology for it has already been revealed and is already in place.

Currently when making purchases, people swipe their cards or provide a cell phone bank app or some other device for electronic crediting and debiting, which the mark will eventually replace. Since 2015 we have already seen the use of the RFID chip implants under the skin of the hand, which will continue to evolve into something more applicable. I believe that the world explosion of tattooing and body piercing is meant to desensitize people to the coming mark on/in the hand or forehead. Since we are already seeing this technology, along with all of the other end-time signs, it reveals how close we are to the church being gathered, since we must be removed prior to the time period of God's wrath and the reign of the beast.

So what is the Mark? We will only know when it happens. Personally I think its a spiritual mark. The Anti-Christ needs an army to fight Christ and Angel. What better way than to have all the human sheep take something that will change DNA maybe, definitly something that will also work on the spiritual side as well. The mark will be a visible change in the body which can be seen by other people who have taken it. With the body and spirit corrupted by DNA it will be impossible for those people to enter heaven and only place for them is hell.
The mark will have nothing to do with DNA change, anymore than making purchases by swiping a debit card would. The receiving of the mark will be a willful, purposeful decision by each individual. To be clear, it can't be something that an individual has no control over because it would not be received by their own decision. In addition, scripture states that those whose names that were not written in the book of life from before the world began, will be those who will worship the beast, his image and receive his mark. So it cannot have anything to do with DNA change, but must be a willful decision on the individuals part.

One of the other reasons that they will receive the mark will be because without it they will not be able to buy or sell, which means that they would not be able to be apart of the electronic crediting and debiting system without the mark. Without it they will not be able to pay their rent/mortgage, buy food, pay bills, gas, etc. Without it they will not be able to even have a job or be apart of the world financial system because all financial transactions will be done via that mark. That said, they will seek to save their own lives more than God and in the process lose eternal life.

The Bible also says nobody will be able to buy and sell without having the mark. Your theory about it being a spiritual mark is interesting, because followers of Christ are sealed, so it would make sense that the mark of the beast would be a mockery of that.
Those currently in Christ will not even see the antichrist nor be exposed to his mark, because the church will removed prior to that time period. Those in Christ who will be here during that time, will be those who did not believe in Christ prior to the gathering of the church known as the great tribulation saints, but will become believers after the church has been gathered and during the time of God's wrath and the beasts reign. They will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark, but will keep the testimony of Jesus and the word of God with many of them being killed for their faith. Regarding the mark, I personally believe that it will be physical but hidden under the skin of the hand or the forehead. However, it is possible that it could end up as a circuit board tattoo or something similar which would be place on the top of the skin, the end result being to be able to electronically credit and debit ones bank account.

Regarding the seal in the forehead, this will be only be for those 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel. This seal is not the same as the sealing of the church with the Holy Spirit, but will be a literal seal on the forehead and as previously stated will only for the 144,000. This means that everyone else on the earth during that time will be exposed to this time of torment, as well as the rest of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.

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FullyLoved

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Regarding the seal in the forehead, this will be only be for those 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel. This seal is not the same as the sealing of the church with the Holy Spirit, but will be a literal seal on the forehead and as previously stated will only for the 144,000. This means that everyone else on the earth during that time will be exposed to this time of torment, as well as the rest of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...C5293894ECC971F10B69C5293894ECC971F&FORM=VIRE
First I want to thank you for all of that typing. Second I'm wondering where it says only 144,000 will be sealed. Why do you say In ?
 

Ahwatukee

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First I want to thank you for all of that typing. Second I'm wondering where it says only 144,000 will be sealed. Why do you say In ?
" 'Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.' " (Revelation 7:9-17)

The 144,000 above are sealed with a special seal on the forehead which as the scripture states, are twelve thousand from each of the tribes of Israel. The sealing of the church with the Holy Spirit is not the same as the sealing of the 144,000 of Israel. To be clear, the sealing of the Holy Spirit is not done on the forehead, but represents the indwelling of the Spirit, where the 144,000 will have a literal seal on their foreheads.
 

Gregoryp

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Jesus said, in the last days that people would be knowledge hunters. Is Conspiracy theory an unhealthy obsession for Christians?
be obsessed with it, and frightened of it. Its your and your community salvation at stake here. If you look you will see, the end times have well and truly started.
 
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FullyLoved

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" 'Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.' " (Revelation 7:9-17)

The 144,000 above are sealed with a special seal on the forehead which as the scripture states, are twelve thousand from each of the tribes of Israel. The sealing of the church with the Holy Spirit is not the same as the sealing of the 144,000 of Israel. To be clear, the sealing of the Holy Spirit is not done on the forehead, but represents the indwelling of the Spirit, where the 144,000 will have a literal seal on their foreheads.
Something you can see? Or in the supernatural realm?
 

Ahwatukee

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About the 144,000 from the tribes of Israel I mean. I think that's cool.
I believe that the 144,000 will be real Israelites and that the seal that they are sealed with in their foreheads will also be real and visible. Reason being is that, those demonic beings who are released from the Abyss at the 5th trumpet, are excluded from tormenting those who have the seal of God on their foreheads, which will only be the 144,000, because they are the only ones who are sealed.

"They (demonic locusts) were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads." - Rev.9:4

So, according to the scripture, everyone will be tormented with the stings of those demonic beings, except for the 144,000 who will be sealed with the seal of God on their foreheads.
 
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I believe that the 144,000 will be real Israelites and that the seal that they are sealed with in their foreheads will also be real and visible. Reason being is that, those demonic beings who are released from the Abyss at the 5th trumpet, are excluded from tormenting those who have the seal of God on their foreheads, which will only be the 144,000, because they are the only ones who are sealed.

"They (demonic locusts) were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads." - Rev.9:4

So, according to the scripture, everyone will be tormented with the stings of those demonic beings, except for the 144,000 who will be sealed with the seal of God on their foreheads.
I believe that the 144,000 will be real Israelites and that the seal that they are sealed with in their foreheads will also be real and visible. Reason being is that, those demonic beings who are released from the Abyss at the 5th trumpet, are excluded from tormenting those who have the seal of God on their foreheads, which will only be the 144,000, because they are the only ones who are sealed.

"They (demonic locusts) were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads." - Rev.9:4

So, according to the scripture, everyone will be tormented with the stings of those demonic beings, except for the 144,000 who will be sealed with the seal of God on their foreheads.
Demonic stings?