Is conspiracy, 'Mark of the Beast,' an unhealthy obsession for Christians?

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JamOn

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I would have to disagree with that, because the mark will be the replacement for all other methods of electronic buying and selling. If a baby was to be given the mark, it would mean that they would have no say so in receiving or rejecting it. And we know what happens to those who receive it. If that was the case, then the mark would be forced upon them before they even had any understanding of what it is.
well I think things are forced upon children before they can understand what is happening already in this broken world I hardly think at some point there will be rules of engagement honor among thieves.

the chip at birth could be in a form of identification, like what people get now in the U.S. a social security number. later in life old enough to work who knows what will be ask of them to receive or reject.
 

JamOn

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A chip is just a chip if it to be a mark then the acceptance would be what makes it a mark.
 

Ahwatukee

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well I think things are forced upon children before they can understand what is happening already in this broken world I hardly think at some point there will be rules of engagement honor among thieves.

the chip at birth could be in a form of identification, like what people get now in the U.S. a social security number. later in life old enough to work who knows what will be ask of them to receive or reject.
Well my point is that, how could Revelation 14:9-11 be enforced upon a child who doesn't even know who they are or where they are? I personally believe that, since one of the main functions of the mark is for buying and selling, that it will not be forced upon a new born or infant.
 

JamOn

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Well my point is that, how could Revelation 14:9-11 be enforced upon a child who doesn't even know who they are or where they are? I personally believe that, since one of the main functions of the mark is for buying and selling, that it will not be forced upon a new born or infant.
satan isn’t playing by rules, installing a chip at birth wouldn’t be forced, a lot of children are circumcised by the parents at the hospital the child has no say in it, and if one day the chip is used like a SS number and installed by the parents the same can happen
 

JamOn

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I think if parents have to choose one day on the mark, I think they might choose to place it in their children as well.
 

Dibby53

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Jesus said, in the last days that people would be knowledge hunters. Is Conspiracy theory an unhealthy obsession for Christians?
Yes there is. Who cares what will happen? Go out and love other people. That's it.
 

Shekinahglory

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It can be but it is the promise of blessing attached to it draws my interest.
 
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Personally, I don't believe a Preterist view means that you are not a saved Christian. Just wrong is all. If you are in Christ, you will be raptured, regardless of an erroneous belief about the rapture. The tribulation Saints are those that will BECOME Christian DURING the tribulation.

But I think we can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. I can give people the Gospel unto Salvation, AND be ready to answer their questions about one of the most well known passages of the Bible, even in secular circles. I'm referring to the mark of the beast, and the number 666.

People that know NOTHING else in the Bible know those passages and we need to be prepared to give answer.

Amen! Right back atcha brother and your erroneous belief! 😇🔥🙏
Much love in Christ
 
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Well my point is that, how could Revelation 14:9-11 be enforced upon a child who doesn't even know who they are or where they are? I personally believe that, since one of the main functions of the mark is for buying and selling, that it will not be forced upon a new born or infant.
Such a big and complex topic. A few years back I learned that you cannot buy or sell unless you have the state sponsored 'identity' the birth certificate. This raised my interest as without a birth certificate you cannot open a bank account, get a car licence or recieve government assistance. This is the starting point from where any mark can be applied. Is it possible that the mark of the beast has been with us for a long time already and is initiated once the parents inform the Beast system of a newly born participant?
 

Ahwatukee

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Such a big and complex topic. A few years back I learned that you cannot buy or sell unless you have the state sponsored 'identity' the birth certificate. This raised my interest as without a birth certificate you cannot open a bank account, get a car licence or recieve government assistance. This is the starting point from where any mark can be applied. Is it possible that the mark of the beast has been with us for a long time already and is initiated once the parents inform the Beast system of a newly born participant?
Hello macocarpa,

I don't know where you live, but we buy and sell every day without a birth certificate. In addition, the mark is going to located on/in the right hand or forehead. The mark will be something that will be willfully, i.e. a conscious decision, which will serve the purpose of worship to the beast and without it no one will be able to electronically credit and debit (buying and selling) there bank accounts. The mark is going to replace all other forms of cash, check and electric crediting and debiting devices, leaving the mark as the only valid form for buying and selling. Check out the following link regarding the editor of a magazine who went on a mission to use only the RFID chip in his hand to make purchases. This is the technology for the mark, which will continue to evolve into something more applicable.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...C5293894ECC971F10B69C5293894ECC971F&FORM=VIRE
 

Mii

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Less reliance on the system could potentially be a way for people to steer people away from the necessity of the mark whenever it occurs. Even if they aren't open to the gospel at this time.


Consider a single mother who knows that it is wrong but makes the "right choice" because she has to feed her family and even though "something" tells her that he will take care of her if she just doesn't take it and trusts him, she cannot be sure. She believes she is making the best decision according to her understanding and taking faith out of the equation.


To these people there is an approach (if you believe this is your missional path) to steer people away from dependence on the state and teaching them skills to survive outside the system if "for some reason" it ever completely went against "their grain".



You can easily couch this mission creatively if you have a mind and the Lord is willing to couple with your efforts. I have heard radio pastors mention that if you hear one thing, hear not to make the mark.

Personally...I'm like "ok, but you seem to not understand how wise it will appear". Provide a counter if you feel so led. Even in a small fashion, I believe the Lord is in support of the effort, lest he would not have been so plain. Possibly this is humanistic effort to combat it, I leave that up to your own personal leading.
 

Alertandawake

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good point another thread someone thinks the current paper money is a mark of the beast but the RFID chip seems plausible, seems every so often I’m at a store and the cashier says plastic only. probably will be the norm in the future where actual physical currency will no longer be used. I already have to have my paycheck direct deposited, it’s like a huge hassle to get a regular check to cash.
One should really read up on how this entire financial system that is in the world today. There is something dark and sinister about it in my opinion. If talking form a financial point of view, one could describe the monetary system as we know it is a complete mess, that is my opinion. Carrying actual paper money is not that much different to carrying a card, only difference having a card requires the retailer to have the electronic payment systems set up to accept, where as in the event of a power outage, cash payments will still work :)

One of the problems with the paper currency we have today, is that the buying power is never the same. FOr example, one could buy 10 kilos of meat for say 100$ on one day, but come the next time when one buys 10 kilos of meat may cost $120.

But going by a financial point of view, going by a cashless society concept, where all citizens are required to have a electronic implant so as to be compliant with such a society, making illegal all other forms of currencies, such a society could give "tyranny" a whole new meaning.

BTW, I cannot see the actual paper currency itself as being the mark of the beast, just doesn't fit the requirements base don studying the relevant passages.

The day that requires everyone to have some kind of implant in order to function and take part in a society, along with sophisticated surviellance and AI technologies, will in my opinion be the beginning of a new age.
 
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Hello macocarpa,

I don't know where you live, but we buy and sell every day without a birth certificate. In addition, the mark is going to located on/in the right hand or forehead. The mark will be something that will be willfully, i.e. a conscious decision, which will serve the purpose of worship to the beast and without it no one will be able to electronically credit and debit (buying and selling) there bank accounts. The mark is going to replace all other forms of cash, check and electric crediting and debiting devices, leaving the mark as the only valid form for buying and selling. Check out the following link regarding the editor of a magazine who went on a mission to use only the RFID chip in his hand to make purchases. This is the technology for the mark, which will continue to evolve into something more applicable.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...C5293894ECC971F10B69C5293894ECC971F&FORM=VIRE

Hi Ahwatukee.
Greetings from New Zealand. I watched the vid about the guy with the RFID chip and I am well aware that this technology is where we are headed. I have had it suggested to me that the scriptural reference to hand and forehead may also include our behavior and thinking which I find interesting.

We are steadily moving towards a cashless or at least limited cash use society and I expect you are correct in assuming the Beast system will require us to accept an RFID type system as our normal payment method. Scary stuff with scary implications.

I assume you might live in North America somewhere. You may believe that you transact without using your birth certificate as your admission ticket to enter the world of buying and selling but on closer inspection is this actually the case? Unless you are bartering as your sole form of transacting then I suggest that you (we) are already fully participating in the 'Mark of the Beast' or at least the introductory version of it via your birth certificate. In order for you to engage as a 'legitimate' employee you need a government tax number which is derived from your birth certificate (BC). In most cases your earnings will be payed into your bank account as cash is very rarely given as payment for services today - again your BC is required to open a bank account.

My point is that we may already be more deeply involved in the Mark of the Beast than we would care to recognise. I encourage everyone to do their own research in to the BC in order to gain some broader understanding of how we are tricked into being made slaves to this corrupt system.

Your BC is the creation of an artificial version of you. In the same way as a business entity is created as a separate 'person' from Joe Blog to Joe Blog Plumber. There are now two versions of you: A. The flesh and blood version and B. the artificial legal entity which is derived from your BC usually identified by being written in all capital letters (JOHN DOE), take another look at your drivers licence to find out which entity you are operating under.

The issue is one of allegiance. Which Kingdom do we give our trust to? Is it the kingdoms of this world or the Kingdom where Jesus is supreme?

God is ultimately in control.

Kind regards to all who are trying to make sense of this corrupted version of the plans He has for us.
 

Ahwatukee

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Hi Ahwatukee.
Greetings from New Zealand. I watched the vid about the guy with the RFID chip and I am well aware that this technology is where we are headed. I have had it suggested to me that the scriptural reference to hand and forehead may also include our behavior and thinking which I find interesting.

We are steadily moving towards a cashless or at least limited cash use society and I expect you are correct in assuming the Beast system will require us to accept an RFID type system as our normal payment method. Scary stuff with scary implications.

I assume you might live in North America somewhere. You may believe that you transact without using your birth certificate as your admission ticket to enter the world of buying and selling but on closer inspection is this actually the case? Unless you are bartering as your sole form of transacting then I suggest that you (we) are already fully participating in the 'Mark of the Beast' or at least the introductory version of it via your birth certificate. In order for you to engage as a 'legitimate' employee you need a government tax number which is derived from your birth certificate (BC). In most cases your earnings will be payed into your bank account as cash is very rarely given as payment for services today - again your BC is required to open a bank account.
My point is/was, that we won't be wearing a birth certificate on our hands or forehead, but an actual device that will allow a person to make financial transactions to his/her bank account. I have never had to produce my birth certificate for anything except for when I joined the military. The mark will be a literal device of some type.

My point is that we may already be more deeply involved in the Mark of the Beast than we would care to recognise. I encourage everyone to do their own research in to the BC in order to gain some broader understanding of how we are tricked into being made slaves to this corrupt system.
I agree! As I mentioned in an earlier post, many Christians don't even recognize or realize that this electronic credit and debiting is what the mark is going to run on. They just view it as on-going technology. But this technology has another agenda.

As far as the birth certificate, you could then say that the technology for mark went all the way back to Israel, who kept records of births by tribe. The mark has nothing to do with birth certificates or SSN's. The mark will replace the swiping of cards, cash, checks and every other method of virtual buying and selling, so that it alone will be the only valid method of buying and selling.
 
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My point is/was, that we won't be wearing a birth certificate on our hands or forehead, but an actual device that will allow a person to make financial transactions to his/her bank account. I have never had to produce my birth certificate for anything except for when I joined the military. The mark will be a literal device of some type.



I agree! As I mentioned in an earlier post, many Christians don't even recognize or realize that this electronic credit and debiting is what the mark is going to run on. They just view it as on-going technology. But this technology has another agenda.

As far as the birth certificate, you could then say that the technology for mark went all the way back to Israel, who kept records of births by tribe. The mark has nothing to do with birth certificates or SSN's. The mark will replace the swiping of cards, cash, checks and every other method of virtual buying and selling, so that it alone will be the only valid method of buying and selling.
So do you have a strategy for how you will survive without the Beast's technological mark?
 
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My point is/was, that we won't be wearing a birth certificate on our hands or forehead, but an actual device that will allow a person to make financial transactions to his/her bank account. I have never had to produce my birth certificate for anything except for when I joined the military. The mark will be a literal device of some type.



I agree! As I mentioned in an earlier post, many Christians don't even recognize or realize that this electronic credit and debiting is what the mark is going to run on. They just view it as on-going technology. But this technology has another agenda.

As far as the birth certificate, you could then say that the technology for mark went all the way back to Israel, who kept records of births by tribe. The mark has nothing to do with birth certificates or SSN's. The mark will replace the swiping of cards, cash, checks and every other method of virtual buying and selling, so that it alone will be the only valid method of buying and selling.

 

Ahwatukee

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So do you have a strategy for how you will survive without the Beast's technological mark?
Good day macrocarpa!

My answer to that is, no, I do not have a strategy for surviving the mark, because neither I nor the rest of the church will be here when the mark becomes mandatory for buying and selling. Because Jesus took upon Himself the wrath of God which every believer deserves, satisfying it completely, then His wrath no longer rests upon those who believe and are therefore no longer appointed to suffer God's wrath, neither God's wrath coming upon this earth in the form of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, nor God's wrath of eternal condemnation in the lake of fire. For there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Therefore, the church must be removed prior to the opening of the first seal, which is that rider on the white horse and which symbolically represents the antichrist. He is a counterfeit of the rider on the white horse in Rev.19:11 who is the Lord.

The wrath that is coming, will be world-wide and will be against all who have rejected the Son of God and who continue to live according to the sinful nature, the proud, the arrogant, the sexually immoral, all liars, etc. By the time Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, the majority of the population will have been decimated via God's plagues of wrath and all human governments dismantled.

God does not punish the righteous with the wicked. And since His wrath will come upon the whole inhabited world, the church must be removed first.

Blessings to you in Christ!
 

Alertandawake

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For those who are interested, have a read up on ID2020. Digital Identity, Vaccines. Pay attention to the founding partners. Just do a search on "ID2020 Alliance"
 

jacob_g

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Jesus said, in the last days that people would be knowledge hunters. Is Conspiracy theory an unhealthy obsession for Christians?
No. But lots of fun!!!

I like to watch conspiracy theories to see what the world believes. And I have talked to some of them that believe and have gotten into GREAT debates.... I'm talking about aliens vs. God as creator....