Is conspiracy, 'Mark of the Beast,' an unhealthy obsession for Christians?

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FullyLoved

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The 5th can't come before the 4th trumpet. The water is still safe...I'm not sorry to say. not sorry to disappoint you. Read Rev 8.
 
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The 5th can't come before the 4th trumpet. The water is still safe...I'm not sorry to say. not sorry to disappoint you. Read Rev 8.
Stings felt from trauma inflicted schizophrenic nerve pain two years ago, are somehow still relevant to your cult. I'm calling out the fakes it's that time. Either you confess what you keep projecting on me, or suffer your own demise. My conscious is clear as to my emails. Shades won't shade you from judgement day.
 

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Yes, demonic beings that John describes as being released from the Abyss, which is the same place that those demons collectively called "Legion" begged Jesus not to sent them into, as described in Luke 8:32. Also the same place that the beast currently resides (Rev.9:11, 11:7, 17:8, 11) and the same place that Satan is going to be restricted in during the millennial kingdom (Rev.20:1-3). The fact that these demonic locusts come up out of the Abyss demonstrates that they are not your garden variety locusts. Their description is as follows and found in Revelation 9:1-11. This is the 5th trumpet/1st woe:

* Resemble locuts
* Have tails and stingers like scorpions to torment for five months
* Look like horses prepared for battle
* Something like crowns of gold on their heads
* Faces that resemble human faces
* Hair like women's hair
* Teeth like lions teeth
* Breast plates like iron
* Wings that sound like many horses and chariots rushing into battle
* They have as king over them the angel of the Abyss
 

Ahwatukee

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The 5th can't come before the 4th trumpet. The water is still safe...I'm not sorry to say. not sorry to disappoint you. Read Rev 8.
You are correct in that, the 5th trumpet cannot come before the 4th trumpet, as the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments take place in the chronological order.
 

Ahwatukee

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Stings felt from trauma inflicted schizophrenic nerve pain two years ago, are somehow still relevant to your cult. I'm calling out the fakes it's that time. Either you confess what you keep projecting on me, or suffer your own demise. My conscious is clear as to my emails. Shades won't shade you from judgement day.
I'm guessing that you are responding to someone that I have on ignore, because I can't see who you are responding to.
 
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FullyLoved

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I'm guessing that you are responding to someone that I have on ignore, because I can't see who you are responding to.
No youre just mature and I suffer with mental health issues.
 

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I seriously doubt it's a computer chip like everyone thinks. We need to stop demonizing technology
 

Ahwatukee

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I seriously doubt it's a computer chip like everyone thinks. We need to stop demonizing technology
Hey Dude653,

That's kind of a moot point seeing that we already have the technology where people are being implanted under the skin of the hand with the RFID chip, one of its uses being to make purchases (buying). Now, I don't believe that it will necessarily be the RFID chip, but that this technology will continue to evolve into something more applicable. The electronic crediting and debiting system that is currently in place is that system that the mark will run on, which will replace all other methods of buying and selling. What will remain consistent is that whatever the mark ends up being, it will go on/in the right hand of the forehead. And speaking of technology, that is what the mark is going to utilize in order for every person on the planet to be able to electronically credit and debit their bank accounts. As the scripture states, "unless anyone had the mark they would not be able to buy or sell." If you haven't seen this already, you might want to check it out:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...C5293894ECC971F10B69C5293894ECC971F&FORM=VIRE
 

Alertandawake

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IF we break it down at its simplest, concerning the buying and selling, this is how the world functions. It is how society functions.

For example, in a cashless society that is fully integrated with a digital monetary system, and the only means of engaging in such transactions is to have a implantable computer chip that enables a person to carry out such transactions, for a person to function, they would require such a device, if not they be cut off from society.

Now let us look at this "Beast System"

I think the question that should be asked is "What is this beast?"

Looking at everything from a realistic and technological point of view, this beast system we are headed to has to be connected with AI. There has to be some sort of AI supercomputer involved. Let us look at the technology available to us today, like nanobots and 5g for example.

With all this advance technology we have today, and this transhumanism agenda, then in theory we could be headed towards a society where each individual would be connected to a super computer of some kind, and in saying this, it stands to reason that what people know, their thoughts, what they do, there be no hiding.

From a technological point of view, if a AI supercomputer was to monitor peoples actions and track them constantly, and if such a super computer was to know their thoughts, track what a person sees and hears, then in theory such a AI supercomputer could appear to be "All Knowing, All Seeing and All Hearing". However, it could only appear to be godlike on the condition people are connected to this computer network, if people have no implants inside of them, they not part of the system.

I think based on all events today that is happening, my opinion, we are in the process of being converted towards this system.
 
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Can some one explain to me why the bible future prophesy fails to mention cars, planes, the internet, TV , Satellites and Rockets.
I know the words did not exist, but even trying to describe them was not attempted, could it be because it was not talking about this time, but a time before all of these inventions.
 

Ahwatukee

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Can some one explain to me why the bible future prophesy fails to mention cars, planes, the internet, TV , Satellites and Rockets.
I know the words did not exist, but even trying to describe them was not attempted, could it be because it was not talking about this time, but a time before all of these inventions.
Hello WhyNotAsk,

Do you really think that John is going to know what a car, plane, the internet, TV and satellites are, or even how to describe them? He doesn't have any technology to compare to what he was seeing, which is why he described the mark of the beast as a "Mark." However, I believe that he does mention cars in Revelation 18:11-13

"The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes anymore— 12cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; 13cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and human beings sold as slaves.

Same goes for weapons of war. All that John and all of the OT saints who also saw the future, had to compare to what they were seeing was swords, spears, bows and arrows. They could not say, automatic weapons, bullets, missiles, nuclear bombs, lasers, etc. They had nothing to compare those future devices to, much less a satellite, or TV. Therefore, anything that is a weapon would be referred to as one of the weapons of their time.

We can discern when future devices are being referred to by their descriptions, such as the image of the beast. John attributes life to it and that because in his vision he hears it speak. However, I believe that what he saw and heard in his vision, was an image of the beast as an outer covering made in the beasts likeness, housing a future computer. John most likely heard a computer protocol language coming from the image and attributed it to being alive. What do you think John would do if he heard and saw a cell phone, or your car speaking to you? He wouldn't be able to fathom nor grasp it, because there was absolutely no technology of his day to compare it to. He might even call it sorcery.

Furthermore, I believe that at the second trumpet John is describing an asteroid coming through the earths atmosphere, as described as "something like a huge mountain all ablaze being thrown into the sea." And also in his description of "something like a great star, blazing like a torch and falling on a third of the rivers and springs of water." This sounds like a comet coming through the earths atmosphere. Because a comet is made up of ice, rock and gases, the ice will have been absorbing the sun's radiation for as long as it has been in orbit around the sun. Since it is not solid like an asteroid, it would explode in the atmosphere and all of that radioactive fallout would land on the rivers and fresh waters, which is why it states that many people die from drinking the water.

The book of Revelation is (for the most part) definitely describing future events, unless of course you do what others have done by allegorizing/symbolizing the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, so that they are not literal events. The wrath of God has not yet begun, but will ensue once the church has been gathered from the earth. Then that ruler, the antichrist will establish his seven year agreement with Israel, which will be in fulfillment of that last seven of the seventy 'sevens' that were decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem, as revealed in Daniel 9:24-27.

Remember, Jesus said that from the time that the abomination was set up, which will be in the middle of that last seven years, it would be a time of great tribulation such as the world has never seen, from the beginning, until now and never to be equaled again. So far we have had no events that satisfy that time period.
 

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Regarding the title of this thread, a good example of the need to study end-time events, including the information regarding the mark of the beast is that, most Christians don't even under stand that the technology for the mark has been with us for several years!

When God first called me at age 14, I was immediately drawn to end-time events and still am. I had studied it enough to know that when the first ATM''s went up, I new that this was relevant to the mark technology. Following that came the Universal Product Code (UPC), followed by the Point of Sale system, which allowed everyone to begin to make their purchases (buying) by swiping their cards. There have been and are other methods such as FOB's and cell phone bank apps to perform the same function.

This electronic crediting and debiting system (buying and selling) is in place and has been evolving in preparation for that coming antichrist/beast and his mark. The direct technology for the mark is also here. Beginning in Sweden, businesses have been offering employees the option of having an RFID chip implanted under the skin of the hand for the purpose of building security, the use of company machines and making food purchases. This technology has now come to the US.

I believe that this RFID chip will continue to evolve into something more applicable, leading up to the revealing of the antichrist. When the time comes, all other methods of buying and selling such as cash, checks, card swiping, etc., will be made obsolete by the beasts kingdom, leaving his mark as the only valid means of electronic crediting and debiting an individuals bank account.

Yes, we should be obsessed with understanding end-time events, including the information God gave us regarding the mark. Like I said, many of those in Christ don't even understand where we are in regards to end-time events. They just think that this electronic crediting and debiting system is just man-made technology and nothing more.

Once this mark becomes the only valid means of electronic buying and selling, it will be that proverbial line being drawn in the sand. From that time forward there will be no gray area. No fence sitting. The choice will be reject it or receive it. Those who reject it will not be able to hold a job, pay their bills, mortgages, rents, food, gas, or buy anything at all. Those who will reject it, will be those tribulation saints, for they know that the beast and his mark will be against God. Those who do receive it to save their lives, will suffer the following in the lake of fire:

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Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. “And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.” - NASB
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It's important for us to understand this information so that we can warn unbelievers about what is coming, as well as to other believers.
good point another thread someone thinks the current paper money is a mark of the beast but the RFID chip seems plausible, seems every so often I’m at a store and the cashier says plastic only. probably will be the norm in the future where actual physical currency will no longer be used. I already have to have my paycheck direct deposited, it’s like a huge hassle to get a regular check to cash.
 

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good point another thread someone thinks the current paper money is a mark of the beast but the RFID chip seems plausible, seems every so often I’m at a store and the cashier says plastic only. probably will be the norm in the future where actual physical currency will no longer be used. I already have to have my paycheck direct deposited, it’s like a huge hassle to get a regular check to cash.
You are correct JamOn. Sweden and her sister countries are well ahead of the US in that, they are pretty much cashless there using only the electronic crediting and debiting system to make purchases. The rest of the world will continue(unbeknownst to them), to move towards a cashless society in preparation for that coming beast and his mark.

The fact that we can see the stage being set for these events that will take place after the church has been gathered, should demonstrate to us how close we are to the blessed hope.
 

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You are correct JamOn. Sweden and her sister countries are well ahead of the US in that, they are pretty much cashless there using only the electronic crediting and debiting system to make purchases. The rest of the world will continue(unbeknownst to them), to move towards a cashless society in preparation for that coming beast and his mark.

The fact that we can see the stage being set for these events that will take place after the church has been gathered, should demonstrate to us how close we are to the blessed hope.
yea the debit card which the idea was thrown about in the 60’s but didn’t become mainstream until late 80’s early 90’s and ATM’s wasn’t many around in the early 80’s I remember those days.
 

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Ahwatukee

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probably one day every new born child will have to have a chip implant from the get go.

but yea the Swedes are already moving in that direction.

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-new...nto-the-future-with-microchipping-71200837625
I would have to disagree with that, because the mark will be the replacement for all other methods of electronic buying and selling. If a baby was to be given the mark, it would mean that they would have no say so in receiving or rejecting it. And we know what happens to those who receive it. If that was the case, then the mark would be forced upon them before they even had any understanding of what it is.
 

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I would have to disagree with that, because the mark will be the replacement for all other methods of electronic buying and selling. If a baby was to be given the mark, it would mean that they would have no say so in receiving or rejecting it. And we know what happens to those who receive it. If that was the case, then the mark would be forced upon them before they even had any understanding of what it is.
It does cause one to ponder.......

at the return of Christ, all with the mark of the beast are destroyed, all that belong to Christ are changed in twinkling of an eye....so, the only humans left alive on the Earth are small children....and then begins the 1,000 year reign....:unsure:
 

Ahwatukee

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It does cause one to ponder.......

at the return of Christ, all with the mark of the beast are destroyed, all that belong to Christ are changed in twinkling of an eye....so, the only humans left alive on the Earth are small children....and then begins the 1,000 year reign....:unsure:
Hello Lafftur,

It would be likened to forcing a child to have a mandatory debit card. There would be no reason for a baby to receive the mark because it will be for the purpose of buying and selling. A child doesn't buy and sell at such a young age.

Also, not everyone is changed into their immortal and glorified bodies at the Lord's return. Those great tribulation saints who make it through the entire tribulation period alive, will enter into the millennial kingdom in their mortal bodies, along with the remnant of Israel and they will repopulate the earth. And because the length of age will revert back to like it was pre flood with people living to be 800 and 900 years old, those people will live much longer than 80 years. We know this because of the scriptures which are referring to the millennial kingdom:

"Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; the one who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere child; the one who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed."

So, the length of age will revert back to how it was prior to the flood.

It is those great tribulation saints who will have died during the great tribulation who will be resurrected, as revealed in Rev.20:4-6.

That the righteous survivors will enter into the millennial kingdom in their mortal bodies, is sported by the fact that scripture states that they will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks and that so that they can work the land.