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Icedaisey

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I agree that the "true" or "original" meaning was to wipe out a particular race, but if you look at various dictionaries there are minor definitions of the word that include the wiping out of a group with a particular social status. I posted such a definition. The forced abortions by China fit your conventional definition of wiping out an ethnic group, whereas abortion in America has come down very hard on the poor, those of a particular social status in the US.
Genocide doesn't apply in any way to Abortion in the U.S.
It is a legal choice. Not a forced violation of women in America.
 

ZNP

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Genocide doesn't apply in any way to Abortion in the U.S.
It is a legal choice. Not a forced violation of women in America.
I thought you were against making up definitions?

The definition I found was this:

Genocide -- 3. The systematic killing of substantial numbers of people on the basis of ethnicity, religion, political opinion, social status, or other particularity.

Abortion is systematic killing of substantial numbers of people on the basis of social status. There is nothing in that definition that says the person doing the killing (mother) must be forced to make that choice. However, the "system" definitely encourages that choice and wants to make it free, further encouraging this as the easy option.
 

Icedaisey

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You just got done posting what you thought was a correction in my understanding of Genocide.

YOU were wrong and I provided it. Now try to change the script to hide your flip.


"Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group"

Thank you for proving Abortion is Genocide as I said it was I am not alone in that.

Right from your own supporting source of what it is. Thank you
No, I'm still not wrong.

You can't even understand your own "evidence" that you imagine proves you right.

Very simple.
" Imposing" measures ....

Abortion isn't imposed on women in America!

And citing China is also incorrect today. China amended their laws regarding reproduction, including the 1 child rule, in 2015.
Of course China is also Communist so it has no semblance of comparison to free western nations people.
 

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Abortion started out as a genocidal measure.

But something need not be genocidal to be evil. Abortion is a form of mass killing funded in part by our government. It is not merely a decision made on an individual basis, but now a cultural norm that has to be uprooted.
 

Icedaisey

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I thought you were against making up definitions?

The definition I found was this:

Genocide -- 3. The systematic killing of substantial numbers of people on the basis of ethnicity, religion, political opinion, social status, or other particularity.

Abortion is systematic killing of substantial numbers of people on the basis of social status. There is nothing in that definition that says the person doing the killing (mother) must be forced to make that choice. However, the "system" definitely encourages that choice and wants to make it free, further encouraging this as the easy option.
You didn't pay attention to CS1's definition. ""Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group""

And you're also as wrong as they are.
Abortion isn't imposed on women in America. Nor is it Systematic.

You can throw daggers at legalized abortion in America till the cows come home.
Derailing this thread, proposing falsehoods, etc... won't change one fact.

Abortion is a legal choice.

How many babies have you and CS1 adopted?

Insisting women should have no choice but to remain pregnant is Fascism.
Adopting babies women chose to give birth to, while choosing to give them up for adoption, is the real example of being proactive for newborns quality of life.

Rather than being passionately opposed to women having a personal life that is no one else's business.



 

ZNP

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You didn't pay attention to CS1's definition. ""Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group""

And you're also as wrong as they are.
Abortion isn't imposed on women in America. Nor is it Systematic.
Roe v Wade systematized it, there are laws that legalize it in every state, that is systematized. Look at the statistics, it clearly targets people of a certain social status.

I have provided a standard definition of Genocide and there is no use of terms like forced or imposed. The only word they use is "killing" and the killing is clearly what is happening at the abortion clinic. Are the women complicit? Even if that is the case that doesn't have any bearing on whether or not 60 million abortions would be considered systematic killing (there is no caveat that says if the killer is your mother then it isn't genocide)

Ezekiel 16:20 Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Were thy whoredoms a small matter, 21 that thou hast slain my children, and delivered them up, in causing them to pass through the fire unto them? 22 And in all thine abominations and thy whoredoms thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, when thou wast naked and bare, and wast weltering in thy blood.
 

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Ezekiel 16:35 Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of Jehovah: 36 Thus saith the Lord Jehovah, Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness uncovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers; and because of all the idols of thy abominations, and for the blood of thy children, that thou didst give unto them; 37 therefore behold, I will gather all thy lovers, with whom thou hast taken pleasure, and all them that thou hast loved, with all them that thou hast hated; I will even gather them against thee on every side, and will uncover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness. 38 And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will bring upon thee the blood of wrath and jealousy. 39 I will also give thee into their hand, and they shall throw down thy vaulted place, and break down thy lofty places; and they shall strip thee of thy clothes, and take thy fair jewels; and they shall leave thee naked and bare. 40 They shall also bring up a company against thee, and they shall stone thee with stones, and thrust thee through with their swords. 41 And they shall burn thy houses with fire, and execute judgments upon thee in the sight of many women; and I will cause thee to cease from playing the harlot, and thou shalt also give no hire any more. 42 So will I cause my wrath toward thee to rest, and my jealousy shall depart from thee, and I will be quiet, and will be no more angry. 43 Because thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, but hast raged against me in all these things; therefore, behold, I also will bring thy way upon thy head, saith the Lord Jehovah: and thou shalt not commit this lewdness with all thine abominations.
 

ZNP

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This has to be the dumbest statement ever written on this website.
That would be an interesting thread, let people nominate posts for the honor and let's vote on it.
 

Icedaisey

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Roe v Wade systematized it, there are laws that legalize it in every state, that is systematized. Look at the statistics, it clearly targets people of a certain social status.

I have provided a standard definition of Genocide and there is no use of terms like forced or imposed. The only word they use is "killing" and the killing is clearly what is happening at the abortion clinic. Are the women complicit? Even if that is the case that doesn't have any bearing on whether or not 60 million abortions would be considered systematic killing (there is no caveat that says if the killer is your mother then it isn't genocide)

Ezekiel 16:20 Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Were thy whoredoms a small matter, 21 that thou hast slain my children, and delivered them up, in causing them to pass through the fire unto them? 22 And in all thine abominations and thy whoredoms thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, when thou wast naked and bare, and wast weltering in thy blood.
Don't confuse you with the facts!
 

Dude653

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On the subject of abortions in the African-American community at least half of them are due to extreme poverty.
If we can start finding ways to reduce poverty and African American communities and you will probably start seeing abortion numbers drop
 

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Im not really following the thread here, did the KKK have something to do with abortion laws being changed in the US, I thought it was Roe vs Wade and Jane Roe and her lawyer advocate were white, and it was more to do with paying to get it done rather than eugenics.

Before abortion laws were changed and it was harder to obtain one, everyone just gave up their babies if they couldnt raise them, had them fostered, or just abandoned them in a ditch and left them to die. right?

In the Bible the babies were drowned. Or, in case of rape or adultery, the mother drank some bitter drink that made her belly rot...and she would abort/miscarry. I read that scripture somewhere.
 

Lanolin

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Oh hold on I do recall that Jane Roe (real name Norma McCorvey) LIED and said she was raped by a black man/men to try and make the case to have an abortion.

Actually she wasnt raped she slept around and found she was pregnant and the guy had moved on and didnt know...and she never had an abortion the baby was put up for adoption. I dont know if her children ever told their side of the story. She'd had 3 children all by different fathers and she turned lesbian or was one all along...according to her memoir.
 

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When I read her memoir it seemed Norma had no idea what it took to have a child, she was wholy ignorant of contraception. Maybe people (both men and women) just didnt have it in the olden days?
 

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Im not really following the thread here, did the KKK have something to do with abortion laws being changed in the US, I thought it was Roe vs Wade and Jane Roe and her lawyer advocate were white, and it was more to do with paying to get it done rather than eugenics.

Before abortion laws were changed and it was harder to obtain one, everyone just gave up their babies if they couldnt raise them, had them fostered, or just abandoned them in a ditch and left them to die. right?

I think someone mentioned abortions in the African-American community to gaslight the KKK conversation, however if you look in the Old testament you will see that there was a procedure for forcing women to drink some type of toxic concoction in order to abort their babies
 

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Im not really following the thread here, did the KKK have something to do with abortion laws being changed in the US, I thought it was Roe vs Wade and Jane Roe and her lawyer advocate were white, and it was more to do with paying to get it done rather than eugenics.
The woman who started Planned Parenthood was directly connected to the KKK and was openly racist. The Democrats who push abortion are also directly connected to the South and to the KKK.

It is quite reasonable to think the racist policies of the southern Democrat shifted from the blatant terrorism of the KKK to something more subtle.
 

Dude653

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The woman who started Planned Parenthood was directly connected to the KKK and was openly racist. The Democrats who push abortion are also directly connected to the South and to the KKK.

It is quite reasonable to think the racist policies of the southern Democrat shifted from the blatant terrorism of the KKK to something more subtle.
That's the red herring. I know this is bad but look over here and what's happening and it's bad too
 
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