No, the earth is not flat.

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Gideon300

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Why would you think that? Do you think that people spend billions researching something that does not exist? Russia, China, India, Europe, Australia, the USA all have space programs. A number of non government people like Branson and Musk spend a fortune on space craft. Why? To fool people? Why bother. People are so gullible that they are fooled for free, just by watching an idiotic youtuber.
 
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Why would you think that? Do you think that people spend billions researching something that does not exist? Russia, China, India, Europe, Australia, the USA all have space programs. A number of non government people like Branson and Musk spend a fortune on space craft. Why? To fool people? Why bother. People are so gullible that they are fooled for free, just by watching an idiotic youtuber.
take a peek at the video link?

why would they is a good question.

physics alone forces me to question.
 

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the concave pepperonis on pizza "allow them to hold more sauce and flavor. They are often considered to be a premium variety of pepperoni and are sometime more expensive than traditional pepperoni." The process of the pepperoni turning into a concave as it cooks is called "cupping." It all makes sense now why I'm always getting that feeling that I'm just a grain of parmesan.:unsure:
 

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Oh wow!

So, I think we heard everyone's view point, so we just accept each other's view point, and agree to disagree. Maybe agree on somethings, or something like this.

At this point, it looks like we are just mocking each other, which isn't very uplifting. With that said, I do appreciate the rebuke of flat earth, it's such an absurdity to even discuss. I know others may think the same of concave hollow earth, but we got to hear each other's views, and hopefully we all gained something out of it.

I think questioning is great, but just repeating the same thing over and over again is dumb?!?! I'm sure the discussion will continue on and on, but I doubt any beneficial conversations will happen. It's just a guess. lol

It just seems the discussion is like this.....Listen to me I'm right and your wrong. You said, I'm wrong, so you are more wrong. And that's how it's been for awhile.

Yeah, can't sleep tonight. Someone sing me a lullaby.
 

Gideon300

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take a peek at the video link?

why would they is a good question.

physics alone forces me to question.
Physics? FE people remind me of atheists. It does not matter how many questions you answer, they come up with something else. I don't have to guess. I know the earth is a globe. The only reason I get involved is to try and help the uncommitted to see the folly of FE beliefs. FE is beyond absurd. It is a mental disorder. Anyone who cannot accept the observable, obvious truth is deluded. As in the Oxford Dictionary "A false belief or judgment about external reality, held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, occurring especially in mental conditions."
 

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Having spent 3-1/2 years on a warship, I can assure you that I have seen the phenomena of the curvature of the earth.
What do you mean by including the phrase "the phenomena of" - can you not simply say that you have seen the curvature?
 

GaryA

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Having spent 3-1/2 years on a warship, I can assure you that I have seen the phenomena of the curvature of the earth.
I do not believe you. And, the reason I do not believe you is that I believe that you think you have seen 'curvature' in the direction you are looking - which is about as 'specious' as you can get. It may sound good - but, it is not valid - because it is based on circular reasoning.

My question to you is - have you ever actually seen 'curvature' in the direction perpendicular to the direction you are looking?

If a ship disappears over curvature between you and the horizon - in the same distance as it is from you to the horizon - you should see the same curvature fall-off to the left and to the right within that same distance - enough that the entire ship would fall below the horizontal tangent line.

There are no two ways about it - the same curvature would exist in all directions - not just in the direction you are looking.

If you are on a ship out on the open ocean - you see the horizon for 360 degrees around you. If the horizon were 10 miles away, you should see the same amount of curvature drop-off 10 miles to the left and 10 miles to the right of the point on the horizon in the direction you are looking.

There are no two ways about it - the same curvature would exist in all directions - not just in the direction you are looking.

To say you have seen 'curvature' in the direction you are looking is meaningless.

I believe you think that you have seen 'curvature' without really actually having seen it.

Just because it is true that - if there were curvature - a ship would disappear over the horizon - does not mean that - because a ship disappears over the horizon - that there is actually curvature present.

This is faulty thinking, and does not offer any proof of curvature.

Show me a picture with enough drop-off to the left and to the right of the center of the image such that a ship would fall below the horizontal tangent within the same distance from the center image horizon point as the distance from the camera to the horizon.

Your reasoning is specious.
My reasoning is "spot on" - because, I know how it really works - the thing you refuse to even consider.

I was involved in Radar and communications. There is a reason why microwave aerials are mounted as high as possible. Microwaves are line of sight so the higher the aerial, the further away the effective horizon.
I have been in electronics for most of my life - and, know enough about it to agree with what you say here - but, [it is] not because of 'curvature'.
 

Dino246

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Just because it is true that - if there were curvature - a ship would disappear over the horizon - does not mean that - because a ship disappears over the horizon - that there is actually curvature present.
Um... yes it does. Given the complete absence of any other rational explanation, the observed phenomenon of a ship disappearing over the horizon does mean that the surface is curved. If the ship simply got "smaller" as it got further away, until the eye could no longer discern it, you might have a case. The reality is that even a powerful telescope cannot bring into view a distant object that is actually over the horizon. Your flat earth model has no explanation for that observed phenomenon.
 

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You can't spend as many days on the bridge of a ship as I have, and not know that the earth is a sphere.
No!! You're a plant! A part of the conspiracy! Anyone with eyes can see that!

:LOL::ROFL::LOL:
 

Gojira

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So "NASA" must mean "National Aeronautics satanic Administration"!!!!!! After all, who's the principality in the air, huh? C'mon people!

Sorry, I know better (by now) to come into these idiotic debates over the earth being flat, but I just can't help myself :D
 

Gideon300

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I do not believe you. And, the reason I do not believe you is that I believe that you think you have seen 'curvature' in the direction you are looking - which is about as 'specious' as you can get. It may sound good - but, it is not valid - because it is based on circular reasoning.

My question to you is - have you ever actually seen 'curvature' in the direction perpendicular to the direction you are looking?

If a ship disappears over curvature between you and the horizon - in the same distance as it is from you to the horizon - you should see the same curvature fall-off to the left and to the right within that same distance - enough that the entire ship would fall below the horizontal tangent line.

There are no two ways about it - the same curvature would exist in all directions - not just in the direction you are looking.

If you are on a ship out on the open ocean - you see the horizon for 360 degrees around you. If the horizon were 10 miles away, you should see the same amount of curvature drop-off 10 miles to the left and 10 miles to the right of the point on the horizon in the direction you are looking.

There are no two ways about it - the same curvature would exist in all directions - not just in the direction you are looking.

To say you have seen 'curvature' in the direction you are looking is meaningless.

I believe you think that you have seen 'curvature' without really actually having seen it.

Just because it is true that - if there were curvature - a ship would disappear over the horizon - does not mean that - because a ship disappears over the horizon - that there is actually curvature present.

This is faulty thinking, and does not offer any proof of curvature.

Show me a picture with enough drop-off to the left and to the right of the center of the image such that a ship would fall below the horizontal tangent within the same distance from the center image horizon point as the distance from the camera to the horizon.


My reasoning is "spot on" - because, I know how it really works - the thing you refuse to even consider.


I have been in electronics for most of my life - and, know enough about it to agree with what you say here - but, [it is] not because of 'curvature'.
Well, it is exactly the problem. I had to work on an aerial at the highest point of the ship from time to time. It was terrifying at times. If you know anything about naval architecture, you will know that weight at height is the enemy of stability. The reason why the aerial was mounted so high above the superstructure was to increase the range. Range was limited by the curvature of the earth. It's simple logic, something that FE people know nothing about. "I believe.............." You believe incorrectly.
 

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around the 6 min 30 sec mark you begin to here the jet engines
 

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So "NASA" must mean "National Aeronautics satanic Administration"!!!!!! After all, who's the principality in the air, huh? C'mon people!

Sorry, I know better (by now) to come into these idiotic debates over the earth being flat, but I just can't help myself :D
Im expecting them and Hollywood to make the jersey devils change their name because it could offend their lord and master satan.
 

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Having spent 3-1/2 years on a warship, I can assure you that I have seen the phenomena of the curvature of the earth. FE reasoning is specious. I was involved in Radar and communications. There is a reason why microwave aerials are mounted as high as possible. Microwaves are line of sight so the higher the aerial, the further away the effective horizon. FE people have proven nothing except how ridiculous flat earth "logic" is.

If the earth was flat, you could grab a high powered telescope and see the coast of Japan from the coast of China. Or Taiwan from China for that matter. You cannot. The reason is the curvature of the earth.
Honestly this seems a straw man. The amount of time you've been on a ship, or anything else you just said have NOTHING at all to do with the real life experiment I did and saw with my own eyes. I did not draw any conclusion from this other than saying we watch ships sail over the curve is just not true. It's atmospheric water vapor and dust that give the illusion we think of as "sailing over the curve". Again I myself have seen this happen to the same boat twice, and found the ship again twice. Maybe the "curve" is just too big and not something we can view with the naked eye like that, but what I am very sure of is that standing on a beach watching a boat disappear into the distance with your naked eye is NOT watching it sail "over a curve". Nothing you said even addresses that, nor did any of it have anything to do at all with what I said. Are you trying to tell me I didn't do what I said I did, or what? If you read very carefully I am not claiming the earth is flat or round, just came across this experiment in one of these debates and tried it out. All it really "proved" to me is that if there is a curve it's not something we witness watching boats at the beach. That's all. Don't believe me, I don't care? Use your massive experience to go try it for yourself then you tell me what that means to you.
 

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Honestly this seems a straw man. The amount of time you've been on a ship, or anything else you just said have NOTHING at all to do with the real life experiment I did and saw with my own eyes. I did not draw any conclusion from this other than saying we watch ships sail over the curve is just not true. It's atmospheric water vapor and dust that give the illusion we think of as "sailing over the curve". Again I myself have seen this happen to the same boat twice, and found the ship again twice. Maybe the "curve" is just too big and not something we can view with the naked eye like that, but what I am very sure of is that standing on a beach watching a boat disappear into the distance with your naked eye is NOT watching it sail "over a curve". Nothing you said even addresses that, nor did any of it have anything to do at all with what I said. Are you trying to tell me I didn't do what I said I did, or what? If you read very carefully I am not claiming the earth is flat or round, just came across this experiment in one of these debates and tried it out. All it really "proved" to me is that if there is a curve it's not something we witness watching boats at the beach. That's all. Don't believe me, I don't care? Use your massive experience to go try it for yourself then you tell me what that means to you.
I have sat on the beach and watched many ships disappear over the horizon. I have also done so many times from the bridge of a ship. Also done so from the radar antenna platform. Every time the first thing I see is the mast top of the ship. I have never seen the hull (always larger than the tip of a ship's mast top) before I see the mast tip. Why do you think ships are required to have a mast light?

Watch the sun or moon rise or set. What happens when it goes beyond the horizon? I have yet to see the top of either disappear before the bottom. If the earth were flat, they would still be round as they disappeared into the distance.

Take it or ignore it. The earth is spherical, and that's a fact.
 

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Watch the sun or moon rise or set. What happens when it goes beyond the horizon? I have yet to see the top of either disappear before the bottom.
And, I don't think you ever will...

Why would the top [ever] disappear before the bottom??? :unsure:
 

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I have sat on the beach and watched many ships disappear over the horizon. I have also done so many times from the bridge of a ship. Also done so from the radar antenna platform. Every time the first thing I see is the mast top of the ship. I have never seen the hull (always larger than the tip of a ship's mast top) before I see the mast tip. Why do you think ships are required to have a mast light?

Watch the sun or moon rise or set. What happens when it goes beyond the horizon? I have yet to see the top of either disappear before the bottom. If the earth were flat, they would still be round as they disappeared into the distance.

Take it or ignore it. The earth is spherical, and that's a fact.
Again you have not addressed my point at all. It's like you're talking to yourself and I'm not here to argue with the argumentative. I too have seen the ship "go beyond the horizon". I'm not saying that you haven't seen that a trillion times. Good for you. What I am saying is, if that you can watch that and then grab some binoculars and find that same boat, then it's not going beyond anything but my sight. That is all I'm saying. Unless the binocular see around the horizon then going "over" anything isn't what's happening, on that scale at least. I most likely will not respond again on the matter because this isn't even a big priority in my hierarchy of subjects I want to sink a bunch of time into, and because like most argument I find myself in on CC, we are not even talking about the same thing. You keep correcting me one things I haven't even said or been talking about. Have a great day on your globe. I don't even care about that.