Scripture Based Flat Earth Proposition

[GaryA]

Therefore, there is water above the sun, moon, and stars...

 

[GaryA]

No one is asking you to agree with the interpretation, but do you at least understand this information?

Do you understand this...

According to the Bible:

~ There is [exactly] one 'firmament'. (one expanse which is [called] the 'firmament')
~ There is water above the 'firmament'. (not in it but above it)
~ There is water below the 'firmament'. (not in it but below it)
~ The sun, moon, and stars are in the 'firmament'. (in the upper part of it)
~ The birds fly in the 'firmament'. (in the lower part of it)

If clouds were the water above the 'firmament', then the sun, moon, and stars would be below the clouds.

However, that is not what the Bible indicates. Rather, there is water above the sun, moon, and stars.

The thing to remember is that - before the land appeared - before there was anything else - when it was just/only water - the 'waters' were divided by/with the 'firmament' (or, 'expanse') in between the water above and water below - everything following was then placed in the 'firmament'.

Therefore, there is water above the sun, moon, and stars...

 

[UnoiAmarah]

While one believes the earth is flat and another believes the earth is a globe, to quote Abraham Lincoln, “If a man says he knows a thing, then he must show how he knows it." or as written in 1 Cor 8: 2 "And if any man think that he knows any thing, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know." Then if one says they know how the earth was made then they should know where all the kingdom upon the earth could be seen at same time as written in the gospel:

"And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time."
Luke 4:5
or
"Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;"
Matt 4:8-9
​

If one believes the earth is a globe then they must know that both sides of a globe cannot be seen at the same time. Of course those who believe in a flat earth know both sides of a globe can't be seen at the same time.

So if it isn't literally true that all the kingdoms on globe earth can be seen at one time from one place, then it is no better if all the kingdoms of the earth can't been seen on a flat earth either, So anyone disagree?

 

[Cold]

The truth

 

[Cameron143]

The truth

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This explains why everyone eventually ends up in Florida.

 

[Jeraboo]

Hello, I wonder sometimes how such things matter in relation to showing love; I also wonder how often an idea is formed and then the going to the bible is a matter of tyring to support a claim rather than understanding what the bible is trying to say;

If the bible is to be understood in it's context, Hebraic mindset and language and all (plus the other language factors), it'd be hard to look at it like a science book the way a more modern western culture views science. The bible is full of poetry, imagery and cultural impacts that when put in context of the ancient near eastern language and culture, paints a less modern world view; So to take modern science or more modern western cultural world views and try to work them backwards into the bible, just doesn't seem to make sense.

Being grateful that the shape of the land or the sky doesn't affect God's salvation plan, being mindful that discord and division however can affect the community, lots of bible verses on that. But for now, let's just consider that in Hebrew language, heaven = sky and earth = land, so reading it in Hebrew, its 'land and sky' and is a lot less impressive sounding as 'heaven and earth' which envokes our more modern view of starships flying around in space; But for now, again, taking a look at what the bible says in Hebrew and in their understanding can help, if one's interested, as well as gauging the impact of such topics like this against the true message of salvation

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

That concludes the initial part of the proposition. I trust that more shall be presented in the not so distant future.

And just when you KNOW it can't get any sillier - it does.

 

[Sculpt]

While one believes the earth is flat and another believes the earth is a globe, to quote Abraham Lincoln, “If a man says he knows a thing, then he must show how he knows it." or as written in 1 Cor 8: 2 "And if any man think that he knows any thing, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know." Then if one says they know how the earth was made then they should know where all the kingdom upon the earth could be seen at same time as written in the gospel:

"And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time."
Luke 4:5
or
"Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;"
Matt 4:8-9
​

If one believes the earth is a globe then they must know that both sides of a globe cannot be seen at the same time. Of course those who believe in a flat earth know both sides of a globe can't be seen at the same time.

So if it isn't literally true that all the kingdoms on globe earth can be seen at one time from one place, then it is no better if all the kingdoms of the earth can't been seen on a flat earth either, So anyone disagree?

Exactly. Using that verse on the issue is logically inappropriate. Even from a "high mountain" the human eye can only see a limited distance on earth... and the farther away it is, the less detail is possible. According to Guinness World Records the record distance of sight from earth surface to earth surface 275 miles, seeing a mountain range from a mountain range... a mere fraction of the earth surface. It's the sin of being "simple" to not understand there's many ways to see "all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them" besides the naked eye.

 

[Sculpt]

Hello, I wonder sometimes how such things matter in relation to showing love; I also wonder how often an idea is formed and then the going to the bible is a matter of tyring to support a claim rather than understanding what the bible is trying to say;

If the bible is to be understood in it's context, Hebraic mindset and language and all (plus the other language factors), it'd be hard to look at it like a science book the way a more modern western culture views science. The bible is full of poetry, imagery and cultural impacts that when put in context of the ancient near eastern language and culture, paints a less modern world view; So to take modern science or more modern western cultural world views and try to work them backwards into the bible, just doesn't seem to make sense.

Being grateful that the shape of the land or the sky doesn't affect God's salvation plan, being mindful that discord and division however can affect the community, lots of bible verses on that. But for now, let's just consider that in Hebrew language, heaven = sky and earth = land, so reading it in Hebrew, its 'land and sky' and is a lot less impressive sounding as 'heaven and earth' which envokes our more modern view of starships flying around in space; But for now, again, taking a look at what the bible says in Hebrew and in their understanding can help, if one's interested, as well as gauging the impact of such topics like this against the true message of salvation

Genesis 1 refers to the sun, moon and stars as being in heaven as well. But I get your point. The issue should not cause disharmony among christians. However, I believe there is an issue when someone presents falsehood in association with Christ. Observation of the stars motion prove the earth is spherical. One only need to make the time to gather and understand the easily accessible information, and then confirm the observations themselves.

Good place to start: Introductory Astronomy: Motions of the Stars (youtube.com) Web tool: Stellarium Web Online Star Map (stellarium-web.org)