Should we support police ?

[RaceBoy]

Do you vote for your elected lawmakers? Do you know people who vote? Vote dem rascals out and get some in office that'll repeal those unjust laws. That's how you do it. Unless, of course, you're willing to band together with thousands, nay millions, of your countrymen, and pledge your lives, your fortunes, and your sacred honor to overthrow your current government and replace it with a constitutional republic that is of the people, by the people, for the people. Kinda like we here in the USA did 245 years ago.

Better yet, get to know and love our Savior and Lord more and more each day, and He will make you free indeed.

Voting does nothing that i'm aware of, and i would love to gather thousands of people to create a new government, but I don't think God would approve of that since in Romans we are expected to obey.

 

[JerryInBoston]

Voting does nothing that i'm aware of, and i would love to gather thousands of people to create a new government, but I don't think God would approve of that since in Romans we are expected to obey.

Then what you need to do is repent and believe in the good news of Jesus Christ for your salvation and eternal life. Everything in the world is temporal.

 

[ChoirLoft]

I fully support the police. Those that want to 'defund' the police are foolish.

They are criminals who want the ability to destroy society, to rob, to loot, to kill and to disrespect the most respectable of institutions THE LAW.

They do not deserve a modicum of respect - color of skin notwithstanding.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

 

[mailmandan]

Report: Democrat Mayors Hired Private Security After Defunding Police

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ired-private-security-after-defunding-police/

These mayors are a complete joke and defunding the police is asinine! We have already seen the results.

'Defund the police' movement takes toll on NYC's crime rate, law enforcement and Dem critics claim, as shootings and murders spike

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nyc-defund-the-police-critics

Chicago alderman warns crime spreading into suburbs: 'Floodgates' opened as criminals go unpunished

https://www.foxnews.com/media/chicago-alderman-defund-police-agenda-crime-spreading-suburbs

'Lawlessness': San Francisco's shoplifting problem increasingly frustrates business owners, employees

https://www.foxnews.com/us/san-francisco-shoplifting-car-break-ins-locals-react

 

[Dude653]

This is an example of police not restraining evil, further justifying my point that police don't do what is right all the time.

Yeah it turns out the police don't arrest people for doing things that aren't illegal

 

[RaceBoy]

Yeah it turns out the police don't arrest people for doing things that aren't illegal

Yeah they do. Ever watch first amendment audits ?

 

[Dude653]

So now we're putting doctors in jail for distributing vaccines? The complete disconnect from reality on this forum never ceases to amaze me

 

[Nehemiah6]

So now we're putting doctors in jail for distributing vaccines?

Have you read the Nuremberg Code and do you understand that absolutely no doctor who has administered these COVID "vaccines" has followed that Code? Indeed they have all violated it by NOT giving full disclosure BEFORE injecting. And full disclosure means informing people that they could die within 24 -48 hours of taking that injection. And also listing absolutely every serious adverse effect.

What did the Allies do to the Nazis in Nuremberg? They were hanged for their atrocities (including medical experimentation without consent). So if doctors are jailed for violating the Nuremberg Code, that is extremely mild -- a slap on the wrist.

The Nuremberg Code (1947)
Permissible Medical Experiments
The great weight of the evidence before us to effect that certain types of medical experiments on human beings, when kept within reasonably well-defined bounds, conform to the ethics of the medical profession generally. The protagonists of the practice of human experimentation justify their views on the basis that such experiments yield results for the good of society that are unprocurable by other methods or means of study. All agree, however, that certain basic principles must be observed in order to satisfy moral, ethical and legal concepts:

1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.
   
   The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results justify the performance of the experiment.
4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
5. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability or death.
8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
9. During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

For more information see Nuremberg Doctor's Trial, BMJ 1996;313(7070):1445-75.

 

[Dude653]

Ever been in a car accident? Or have your parked vehicle hit by a reckless drunk driver?
Yes, you DO need a police officer to make a report of it, especially if you plan on getting either parties insurance involved.

Correct both parties involved need a police statement for their insurance companies
Also anytime there's a car accident there may be drugs or alcohol involved

 

[Dude653]

But you answer the original question. Yes support the police until they give us a reason not to.
I do feel like we need more judges willing to stand up to cops who break the law

 

[ChoirLoft]

Have you read the Nuremberg Code and do you understand that absolutely no doctor who has administered these COVID "vaccines" has followed that Code? Indeed they have all violated it by NOT giving full disclosure BEFORE injecting. And full disclosure means informing people that they could die within 24 -48 hours of taking that injection. And also listing absolutely every serious adverse effect.

What did the Allies do to the Nazis in Nuremberg? They were hanged for their atrocities (including medical experimentation without consent). So if doctors are jailed for violating the Nuremberg Code, that is extremely mild -- a slap on the wrist.

The Nuremberg Code (1947)
Permissible Medical Experiments
The great weight of the evidence before us to effect that certain types of medical experiments on human beings, when kept within reasonably well-defined bounds, conform to the ethics of the medical profession generally. The protagonists of the practice of human experimentation justify their views on the basis that such experiments yield results for the good of society that are unprocurable by other methods or means of study. All agree, however, that certain basic principles must be observed in order to satisfy moral, ethical and legal concepts:

1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.
   
   The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results justify the performance of the experiment.
4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
5. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability or death.
8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
9. During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

For more information see Nuremberg Doctor's Trial, BMJ 1996;313(7070):1445-75.

In the first place, the United States does not and never has abided by the Nuremburg statute. In point of fact, the United States does not recognize the force of international law in anything it puts its hand to. Sometimes America lives by the law and sometimes not, but it has nothing at all to do with legality morality or international political ethics.

America violates the sovereignty of other nations at will - for its own, usually financial, reasons. Where America is concerned the force of international law is a joke.

I wrote all that to write this:

Your post refers to EXPERIMENTAL medical treatment. COVID vaccine is the result of years of scientific investigation and application. The only difference between COVID vaccine for the current medical emergency and past pandemics is that the number of stubborn liars is greater now than before.

When Polio vaccine was introduced it initially killed a number of children. That didn't matter because people were eager to be rid of the disease. During a second development the Polio vaccine was successfully deployed without fatalities. The big difference between then and now is that in the past the general population was determined to be rid of the scourge. Today our population is only concerned with limited opinion - based on lies and innuendo and bad, really bad, assumptions.

In other words, America has become a nation of fools.

A 4th wave of COVID infection is upon us, fueled by brain dead people who think they know better than medical practitioners and experts. Members of my family serve in local medical facilities and they can attest as to the severity not only of the disease but of the idiots who think they are immune to disease and that COVID is a joke.

The 2nd commandment, God's LAW, doesn't mean anything to those Americans either.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

 

[JerryInBoston]

In the first place, the United States does not and never has abided by the Nuremburg statute. In point of fact, the United States does not recognize the force of international law in anything it puts its hand to. Sometimes America lives by the law and sometimes not, but it has nothing at all to do with legality morality or international political ethics.

America violates the sovereignty of other nations at will - for its own, usually financial, reasons. Where America is concerned the force of international law is a joke.

I wrote all that to write this:

Your post refers to EXPERIMENTAL medical treatment. COVID vaccine is the result of years of scientific investigation and application. The only difference between COVID vaccine for the current medical emergency and past pandemics is that the number of stubborn liars is greater now than before.

When Polio vaccine was introduced it initially killed a number of children. That didn't matter because people were eager to be rid of the disease. During a second development the Polio vaccine was successfully deployed without fatalities. The big difference between then and now is that in the past the general population was determined to be rid of the scourge. Today our population is only concerned with limited opinion - based on lies and innuendo and bad, really bad, assumptions.

In other words, America has become a nation of fools.

A 4th wave of COVID infection is upon us, fueled by brain dead people who think they know better than medical practitioners and experts. Members of my family serve in local medical facilities and they can attest as to the severity not only of the disease but of the idiots who think they are immune to disease and that COVID is a joke.

The 2nd commandment, God's LAW, doesn't mean anything to those Americans either.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

You mean to say I've survived not one, not two, but THREE waves/variants of Wuhan China communist atheist man-made Covid19? I'll trust in the Lord over man always. Be blessed.

 

[JerryInBoston]

In the first place, the United States does not and never has abided by the Nuremburg statute. In point of fact, the United States does not recognize the force of international law in anything it puts its hand to. Sometimes America lives by the law and sometimes not, but it has nothing at all to do with legality morality or international political ethics.

America violates the sovereignty of other nations at will - for its own, usually financial, reasons. Where America is concerned the force of international law is a joke.

I wrote all that to write this:

Your post refers to EXPERIMENTAL medical treatment. COVID vaccine is the result of years of scientific investigation and application. The only difference between COVID vaccine for the current medical emergency and past pandemics is that the number of stubborn liars is greater now than before.

When Polio vaccine was introduced it initially killed a number of children. That didn't matter because people were eager to be rid of the disease. During a second development the Polio vaccine was successfully deployed without fatalities. The big difference between then and now is that in the past the general population was determined to be rid of the scourge. Today our population is only concerned with limited opinion - based on lies and innuendo and bad, really bad, assumptions.

In other words, America has become a nation of fools.

A 4th wave of COVID infection is upon us, fueled by brain dead people who think they know better than medical practitioners and experts. Members of my family serve in local medical facilities and they can attest as to the severity not only of the disease but of the idiots who think they are immune to disease and that COVID is a joke.

The 2nd commandment, God's LAW, doesn't mean anything to those Americans either.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

(Edited)

You mean to say I've survived not one, not two, but THREE waves/variants of Wuhan China communist atheist man-made Covid19 without having received the faux vaccine? I'll trust in the Lord over man always. Be blessed.

 

[JerryInBoston]

In the first place, the United States does not and never has abided by the Nuremburg statute. In point of fact, the United States does not recognize the force of international law in anything it puts its hand to. Sometimes America lives by the law and sometimes not, but it has nothing at all to do with legality morality or international political ethics.

America violates the sovereignty of other nations at will - for its own, usually financial, reasons. Where America is concerned the force of international law is a joke.

I wrote all that to write this:

Your post refers to EXPERIMENTAL medical treatment. COVID vaccine is the result of years of scientific investigation and application. The only difference between COVID vaccine for the current medical emergency and past pandemics is that the number of stubborn liars is greater now than before.

When Polio vaccine was introduced it initially killed a number of children. That didn't matter because people were eager to be rid of the disease. During a second development the Polio vaccine was successfully deployed without fatalities. The big difference between then and now is that in the past the general population was determined to be rid of the scourge. Today our population is only concerned with limited opinion - based on lies and innuendo and bad, really bad, assumptions.

In other words, America has become a nation of fools.

A 4th wave of COVID infection is upon us, fueled by brain dead people who think they know better than medical practitioners and experts. Members of my family serve in local medical facilities and they can attest as to the severity not only of the disease but of the idiots who think they are immune to disease and that COVID is a joke.

The 2nd commandment, God's LAW, doesn't mean anything to those Americans either.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

C = 100
O = 0
V = 5
I = 1
D = 500
````````````````````
= 616
+ 50 faux vaccine +
boosters
``````````````````
= 666

Wait for it. It's coming. Only a matter of time.

 

[RaceBoy]

Ok why is this thread still going ? I'm done with this thread so y'all can stop posting here please ? Thank You. (moderators who see this please delete thread)

 

[Dude653]

Ok why is this thread still going ? I'm done with this thread so y'all can stop posting here please ? Thank You. (moderators who see this please delete thread)

Yes everyone is going to stop discussing the topic just to accommodate you. 😂😂

 

[kaylagrl]

Ok why is this thread still going ? I'm done with this thread so y'all can stop posting here please ? Thank You. (moderators who see this please delete thread)

You don't have to come back to the thread. Mods don't close them unless there is good reason. You being bored with it isn't a good reason.

 

[tourist]

Ok why is this thread still going ? I'm done with this thread so y'all can stop posting here please ? Thank You. (moderators who see this please delete thread)

Why should a moderator delete this thread? Even though you created the thread does not mean that you control it. The thread stays going as long as a member submits a post to it.

 

[tourist]

You don't have to come back to the thread. Mods don't close them unless there is good reason. You being bored with it isn't a good reason.

Yeah, it's just getting started. Perhaps an amusing derail to lighten the mood.

 

[Lanolin]

(Please note that this has nothing to do with BLM but is more about the future of policing and what role they play based off of what the bible says) I've been thinking and noticing all that's been happening over the past year with law enforcement, and am wondering if we (anyone but mostly Christians) should support the police. Now i don't mean it like the police are doing wrong, or killing innocent people like we see on the news, but that whenever the new world order comes along, or whenever the government creats unjust laws that we as christians HAVE to DISOBEY, when then should we support police ? Or rather why should we support them since the bible says ( 2 Timothy 3:12) we will be persecuted. I personally support individual officers when they do what is right, but i would never trust/support the police as a whole. Thoughts ?

you can support them by giving them Bibles there are actually copies that are special police ones. They are the same as other Bibles but have a special cover on them. Many in the police force are christians and they need extra support. Unfortunately many are not and need Jesus. Pray for them.