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vic1980

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- ANTI CHRIST LAWS -




Daniel 7:25


And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

William Tyndale



If they join themselves unto the Pope and persecute you for your faith and hope which ye have in the Lord Jesus ; Then call to mind , that ye be chosen to suffer here with Christ , that ye may joy with Him in the life to come with joy everlasting , that shall infinitely pass this your short pain here .

William Tyndale Exposition pp. 245

William Tyndale Expositions and Notes

I know that this work was not written in vain , and that the LORD has given time so that we may be prepared for what is ahead...

Shalom to all the brethren that are on Christian Chat​
 

vic1980

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Let us be patient and trust in the LORD , that we may continue to walk with Him , doing what is right in his sight . For only He can give us strength , for the times , that are ahead to overcome it all .




If the Jesuits are at work for there kingdom that is ANTI-CHRIST , let us go to work for Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior...​

Shalom to all those on Christian Chat that have read this post.​
 

vic1980

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Trump could care less what the pope thinks and the pope is always trying to tell him what he thinks. If he agreed with the pope and his "authority" he would have given up on building the wall,among other things.
It seems that Trumps wall , has associations with exactly what the Papacy wants . All those articles on Trump and the Papacy against each other is nothing more than Hegelian dialectic at work. Do you recall when he rally in phoenix AZ , back in 2016 ? He spoke upon a biometrics entry exit tracking system for immigrants , but was he really honest in his purposal.



Trump stated the following: It will be on land , it will be on sea and air.

In a draft of his executive order to limit muslims from entering the nation earlier this year . Thee wording in the document does not only point to those that are illegal or immigration but all travelers to the USA.

Section 8 of executive order follows: Expedited Completion of the Biometric Entry- Exit Tracking System (a) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall expedise the completion and implementation of a biometrics entry-exit tracking system for all Travelers to the United States , as recommended by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States​

Link:

Trump Executive Order Biometric Entry - Exit Tracking System

For all Travelers as stated above interesting is it not...

Now what did the Beast/ Papacy propose to the leaders of the biggest firm tech of the world ? Let us take a look shall we...​


A new social compact for the 21 century



The merchants of the earth are following the Beast to forge a new social compact for the 21 century



Your Holiness,

On behalf of Fortune and Time and the distinguished delegates participating in our Global Forum, we are pleased to present to you the enclosed report. The report presented here is a result of the work of some of the world’s most prominent business and thought leaders, who have gathered for this meeting.

Here is thee document in it's completeness : New Social Compact for 21 Century


Work Group 1 and 8

The world bank Goal of Universal Financial Access ( UFA ) by 2020 . Jump start underserved markets , companies will support initiatives to producedigital identities for the one fifth of global citizens who lack one , and therefore are shut out of financial system.



This seems to be THERE plan , if you read the U.N. 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development it's the main plot to have everyone in one system , the current president executive order align itself with not only Ladato si but also Paris Agreement / U.N Sustainable Development . Don't be surprised if it extend to the general populace in America along the coming years...​


Sustainable Development Goals

Goal 16. Promote peaceful and inclusive societies for sustainable development, provide access to justice for all and build effective, accountable and inclusive institutions at all levels

16.9 By 2030, provide legal identity for all, including birth registration

You can read it completely at there official page here: U.N. Sustainable Development 2030

It is clear that this system belongs to the Beast / Papacy

Put your trust in God Word that never fails

Shalom​
 

Mission21

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Interesting topic/thread..
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Since the time of 'Constantine', Christians are lured into political power.
- Constantine started..
- 'Theodosius I' made Christianity the official 'state religion' of the Roman empire.
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When Christianity becomes part of political power/establishment,
it loses.. spiritual emphasis, devotion to Christ..etc.
- Focus is on power, greed and status.
- You can see this throughout Christian history.
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Many of early Christian settlers in North America came - to escape persecution from 'state and church'
establishments in continent/Europe.
- Maybe we need to be reminded of that again..
 

mar09

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I honestly havent read every line in this thread, and cannot understand all the intricacies of church and state separation.. But thought i could post this wc i heard the other day, and trying to listen to again.

 

Subhumanoidal

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We have one thread bashing Trump for saying the Pope isn't Christian and here we have a thread on how he's on cahoots with the Pope. You Trump haters can't have it both ways.
 

vic1980

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Interesting topic/thread..

Many of early Christian settlers in North America came - to escape persecution from 'state and church'
establishments in continent/Europe.

Maybe we need to be reminded of that again..
Something that has brought much sorrow to my heart lately , the reality that is before my eyes , many that call themselves believers will not enter The Kingdom of God . Many do not want to be reminded , of the historic accounts of the persecuted church , but yet believe they are the bride of Christ .

The discernment , that the Lord has given , has made me note the condition of many congregation that have called themselves the bride , but yet there appearance , does not line up with the Holy Scripture .

By noting how they operate it is clear , that something is not present . Many of the modern day congregation Leaders , Pastors , Teachers , are operating as the following .

1. Not by the Spiritual gifts , but by worldly academics .

2. Not by discernment and testing , but by sight .

3. Not by the Word of God , but Doctrine of men .

4. Not By The Spirit , but of the Flesh .

It truly makes me ponder how many of them will not enter The Kingdom of God , and those that follow them blindly without testing examining , what is presented to them as the truth. In these times it is clearly visible , prophecy does not matter but marriage making , busy bodies , self love , dominos , cards , social shows along with movie nights , eating and drama are present.

But if you call for a real Bible study they scatter , a board , unresponsive they are absent , yet they call themselves the bride , they truly need to examine and ask bride of whom ???

Then the reason came to me as why , these thing are present and occurring , if we turn to the book of Mark , Christ taught His Disciples a valuable teaching upon The Parable of the Sower , and so it shall be.

But before i finish this reply , i would like to address a fellow member that has reply , stating this thread as trump hating , perhaps you may come to a agreement with me on this.

The world of the Anti-Christ is one , that in which , appearance and reality are completely opposite to each other.


Shalom to the Brethren on Christian Chat​
 

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And the woman that you saw is the great city that has dominion over the kings of the earth.”
Revelation 17:18 (ESV)
2 And he called out with a mighty voice, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place for demons,
a haunt for every unclean spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird, a haunt for every unclean and detestable beast.
3 For all nations have drunk the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed
immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich from the power of her luxurious living.”
4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins,
lest you share in her plagues;

5 for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.
Revelation 18: (ESV)
 

vic1980

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4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues;

5 for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.

Revelation 18: (ESV)​

In agreement , this is why the warning was given , so that they may not perish along with her .​

Shalom to you Waggles and those in your household ...​
 

cobalt1959

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This thread has no association with a anti trump movement , neither a deep state left or right clash , nor has it anything to do with msm fake news , but to alarm the believers that there is a power that want to have control of The United States of America.

This power has been in the works for quite some time , it has also drawn many presidents into it's worldly political views.

The Letter Trump wrote to the Papacy is in his very own words , this is not fake news. He is clarifying that he has created a joint movement with the Papacy , and as i stated on thee original thread , what if he adopts the papacy encyclical .

Trump is Jesuit trained , and his religious advisers are not for the Constitution , but for Church & State to unite. If the founding Fathers of America would have seen this , it would be consider treason against the people of america.

Shalom
Really? Because you spend an inordinate amount of time posting anti-Trump junk that actually has no basis in either history, or reality complete with hokey pictures, just like whacked conspiracy websites. Perhaps you can tell us in the next thread you start that Trump is the antiChrist.

The biggest danger to this country, and Christianity in general has always been Progressives. They were the enemy yesterday, they are the enemy today, and they will still be the enemy tomorrow. Trump makes a statement to a person who is essentially a head of state, and you build an entire conspiracy theory around it. Trump is not Catholic, so there is no reason to believe he is involved in some scheme for WORLD DOMINATION with the Pope. By his own confession he says he became a Christian through extending talks with Paula White, and since she is a WOF false teacher, Trump would be into Word of Faith doctrine, not Catholicism. The Catholic Church itself is always a clear and present danger because they have always been based on exercising political control over all else, well, maybe except acquiring wealth.

Trump is not some svengali. While I am not a supporter of Trump, it is clear that he wants to unwind the anti-American crap that Obama dished out for 8 years, undue his policies and acts that were both un-Constitutional and hurt the country, and focus on the country, as a whole instead of minorities, illegal aliens, and identity politics. It's why the Left hates him so much. He isn't continuing Obama's policy of trying to turn America into a Socialist, 3rd world also-ran. Despite the MSM tossing out words like Fascist! and Racist! every other word, I've see no evidence that Trump is either one. Amusing, coming from Liberals who are racists, and simply use Special Victims Groups to achieve a purpose and care nothing about them beyond that. The Democratic party was formed strictly because the people who formed it where racists. And that hasn't change in the ensuing decades.

Trump went to Fordham University for 2 years and he didn't even graduate so to say that he is "Jesuit-trained" is a non-sequitur and can't be used to tie your conspiracy theory together. It's a red herring anyway. Just because someone attends an institution that has a denomination attached to it does not mean they become that, or are "trained" in it. I went to a Lutheran private school for 8 years and I never had the slightest desire to become a Lutheran. Your theory is built on some really poor premises.
 

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I don't know about the catholic church but I do know know that Trump is the most non christian president we have ever had. the things he does that seem to be fore the church is all for their vote period heck what 8 years ago he was pro choice .
Wrong. That would be a toss-up between Jimmy Carter or Obama. I'd have to give the edge to Obama since he was brought up being spoon-fed Black Liberation Theology, which is not actually Christianity, but a political indoctrination. I saw no behavior from the man in his 8 years of office that would indicate he was a Christian beyond his poor attempts at mangling scripture once in a while to try and justify some socialist concept like wealth redistribution.

I find Trump's declarations of being a Christian dubious as well, but Obama hated Christianity. He made that very clear on numerous occasions.
 

vic1980

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Perhaps you can tell us in the next thread you start that Trump is the antiChrist.


If you would have for a moment , actually examine , what is written upon in this particular thread , you would have not written such a nonsensical reply ...

Now for those that are actually reading , let us examine the updates , we are given on this matter.

Message to Catholics from Donald Trump


Now this video was published , after the current president won office , in it you can take note that he has blended Christian and Catholics as one in the same.

But to those that are , Born Again of God , they clearly understand this is a grave error ...

So were exactly are we in the latter times , after this message was given ???

MULVANEY: CATHOLICISM IS DRIVING POLICY IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION



Catholic principles may be driving presidential policy for the first time in years, says acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney.

At the National Catholic Prayer Breakfast in Washington, D.C., on Tuesday, Mulvaney said that principles of the Catholic faith are manifested within the Trump administration, one of the reasons that Mulvaney himself is excited to be part of the administration.

The president has allowed us, Christians of all denominations, folks from all different faiths … to be very vocal about their faith, and to practice their faith, and to take their faith and work it into our policies,” Mulvaney said at the breakfast.

“I’m comfortable as a Catholic, even though I work for a gentleman who is not Roman Catholic, that the principles of our faith are alive and well and well respected in this administration and are driving many of our policies,” Mulvaney said. “That is something I am extraordinarily proud to be a part of.”
“I think it is something we all agree makes us a better administration and makes us a better country. I certainly believe that it does.”


Friends it is clear for those who have eyes to see , here we have a Union of Church and State ...​


The current presidency has thirty four Catholic Advisers , along with his Evangelicals Advisers , men such as Kenneth Copeland that give great honor to the Bishop of Rome / Beast in Vatican.​



These False teachers , are driving the policies that are being established in America , so what fruit will come from all of this in the near future ...

What does the Word Of God teaches us on such issues ...

Proverbs 29:2

When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

If one cannot see , what has been in the works , for upon many years . Then there is nothing more that can be presented to you , to grasp the persecution that will come to those here and afar , by this Union of Church and State . Now for those that have read, believe, and understand the prophecies , we are the only ones that are not being deceived by the movements of the Harlot that rides the Beast.

The LORD has given us time , to examine if we are in the Faith , The Roman Catholic Church which is the Harlot written upon that rides the Beast in the book of Revelation will soon be no more , but the Papacy will continue to grow in power as in the dark ages to persecute the Saints of God ...

So let us be reminded by one of God fellow servants , how to confront this situation ...

William Tyndale



If they join themselves unto the Pope and persecute you for your faith and hope which ye have in the Lord Jesus ; Then call to mind , that ye be chosen to suffer here with Christ , that ye may joy with Him in the life to come with joy everlasting , that shall infinitely pass this your short pain here .

William Tyndale Exposition pp. 245​

William Tyndale Expositions and Notes

Shalom to the Brethren on Christian Chat​
 
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@vic1980

I have done my research, however you also need to dig a little further and deeper, back in time to understand Trumps policies, his various affiliations, business dealings and how it connects to his role in the world presently.
 

cobalt1959

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If you would have for a moment , actually examine , what is written upon in this particular thread , you would have not written such a nonsensical reply ...

Now for those that are actually reading , let us examine the updates , we are given on this matter.

Message to Catholics from Donald Trump


Now this video was published , after the current president won office , in it you can take note that he has blended Christian and Catholics as one in the same.

But to those that are , Born Again of God , they clearly understand this is a grave error ...

So were exactly are we in the latter times , after this message was given ???

MULVANEY: CATHOLICISM IS DRIVING POLICY IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION



Catholic principles may be driving presidential policy for the first time in years, says acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney.

At the National Catholic Prayer Breakfast in Washington, D.C., on Tuesday, Mulvaney said that principles of the Catholic faith are manifested within the Trump administration, one of the reasons that Mulvaney himself is excited to be part of the administration.

The president has allowed us, Christians of all denominations, folks from all different faiths … to be very vocal about their faith, and to practice their faith, and to take their faith and work it into our policies,” Mulvaney said at the breakfast.

“I’m comfortable as a Catholic, even though I work for a gentleman who is not Roman Catholic, that the principles of our faith are alive and well and well respected in this administration and are driving many of our policies,” Mulvaney said. “That is something I am extraordinarily proud to be a part of.”
“I think it is something we all agree makes us a better administration and makes us a better country. I certainly believe that it does.”


Friends it is clear for those who have eyes to see , here we have a Union of Church and State ...​


The current presidency has thirty four Catholic Advisers , along with his Evangelicals Advisers , men such as Kenneth Copeland that give great honor to the Bishop of Rome / Beast in Vatican.​



These False teachers , are driving the policies that are being established in America , so what fruit will come from all of this in the near future ...

What does the Word Of God teaches us on such issues ...

Proverbs 29:2

When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

If one cannot see , what has been in the works , for upon many years . Then there is nothing more that can be presented to you , to grasp the persecution that will come to those here and afar , by this Union of Church and State . Now for those that have read, believe, and understand the prophecies , we are the only ones that are not being deceived by the movements of the Harlot that rides the Beast.

The LORD has given us time , to examine if we are in the Faith , The Roman Catholic Church which is the Harlot written upon that rides the Beast in the book of Revelation will soon be no more , but the Papacy will continue to grow in power as in the dark ages to persecute the Saints of God ...

So let us be reminded by one of God fellow servants , how to confront this situation ...

William Tyndale



If they join themselves unto the Pope and persecute you for your faith and hope which ye have in the Lord Jesus ; Then call to mind , that ye be chosen to suffer here with Christ , that ye may joy with Him in the life to come with joy everlasting , that shall infinitely pass this your short pain here .

William Tyndale Exposition pp. 245​

William Tyndale Expositions and Notes

Shalom to the Brethren on Christian Chat​
Not a surprising, or un-anticipated response. I chopped out the stupid Internet pictures because they are both predictable from a conspiracy buff, and extremely annoying. They are meant to produce an instantaneous response of horror and revulsion to back up the original emotionally-based premise. You follow the de rigueur Conspiracy Buff methodology of shocking photos and name-dropping proof text quotes that are taken out of context but supposed to be immediately accepted because of shock value bolded, super-sized and multi-colored text.

I feel sorry for you because you are so gullible that you accept anything that comes along and looks good to you.

Something to consider: Donald Trump did not live his life as a professing Christian. His claim to Christianity coincided with his bid for the Presidency. Could it be possible, that if he has a wish to lead the American citizenry at large to believe that he is a Christian that he could possibly both embrace, and emulate any doctrinal and denominational stance that comes along that also appears to him that will give him a political advantage?

I would love to see your history when it comes to your handling, or non-handling of Obama when he was in office. That would tell me a good deal about you and your agenda.
 

cobalt1959

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Interesting topic/thread..
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Since the time of 'Constantine', Christians are lured into political power.
- Constantine started..
- 'Theodosius I' made Christianity the official 'state religion' of the Roman empire.
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When Christianity becomes part of political power/establishment,
it loses.. spiritual emphasis, devotion to Christ..etc.
- Focus is on power, greed and status.
- You can see this throughout Christian history.
---
Many of early Christian settlers in North America came - to escape persecution from 'state and church'
establishments in continent/Europe.
- Maybe we need to be reminded of that again..
No. Not Christians. Catholics. Anyone who believes they sit on a throne here on Earth that actually belongs solely to Christ has some things badly messed-up.
 

vic1980

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I feel sorry for you because you are so gullible that you accept anything that comes along and looks good to you.

cobalt1959 if i were to address you according to the flesh , no one will gain anything , neither you nor the readers . So i will only point out prophecy to you , to study and examine if this is truth or error .​


In the book of Revelation , it is written the following ...​

Revelation 18:3​

For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

Please give a clear answer yes or no , does this exclude the United States Of America ...​

I would love to see your history when it comes to your handling, or non-handling of Obama when he was in office. That would tell me a good deal about you and your agenda.


The Harlot that rides the Beast does not care if one's party stands for Republican or Democratic , or perhaps Libertarians . If i were to write upon the former president , it will only lead to the exact same situation that is before us ...​

Prophesy has to be fulfilled​
 

kaijo

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In order to understand the truth about Trump you need to know about the 'Q' phenomenon and about the 'Illuminated Suns of the Golden Dawn' of which both Q and Trump are apart of. That is, the False Prophet system that has already come onto the world scene and is in the act of dismantling the Cabals 'Beast System' as we speak.

I encourage you to start with this Introduction Video from Probably Alexandra's YouTube channel and watch the rest of her videos in the order that they were first posted as to grasp the current situation regarding the False Prophet system in its entirety:


Link to Probably Alexandra's video playlist HERE
 

cobalt1959

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cobalt1959 if i were to address you according to the flesh , no one will gain anything , neither you nor the readers . So i will only point out prophecy to you , to study and examine if this is truth or error .​


In the book of Revelation , it is written the following ...​

Revelation 18:3​

For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

Please give a clear answer yes or no , does this exclude the United States Of America ...





The Harlot that rides the Beast does not care if one's party stands for Republican or Democratic , or perhaps Libertarians . If i were to write upon the former president , it will only lead to the exact same situation that is before us ...​

Prophesy has to be fulfilled​
Funny that you tell me to give you a direct answer to a question when you never actually deal with any point I make. You avoid dealing with them like the plague. Because you cannot adequately deal with them. Your conspiracy theories are based on air, conjecture, and flaky websites. Every thing you write is fluff and supposition, with no visible means of support.

What happens with Trump in office has no bearing on the United States. Prophecy has not, does not now, and will not in the future center on the United States. Prophecy revolves around Jesus, Israel, and the realm of the Middle east, in that order. Anything outside of that sphere is merely part of the greater scope of the fulfillment of the prophecy and is tangential to the goal of the End Times: The restoration of Israel and Jesus' promised 1000 year reign on the Earth. It is academic what happens to the United States since they will not be a major player in the End Times. Every nation abandons Israel in the end. That would include America. By the time the Tribulation rolls around, America is going to be a 3rd-world also-ran. We are already on our way there now. Trump is nothing but a momentary roadblock to eventual Socialism and complete moral, social and monetary decay.