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cobalt1959

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Ok, I've just re-read it and because it was written before John's revelation I thein the part of the Hebrews that will be saved is the 144,000 that are taken with the first resurrection and the rapture. That the only way to be saved after is to refuse to worship the beast or take the mark unto death.

And that being a born again Gentile my self. I can only carry the message of salvation or pity to those who won't receive it. I am not an anti Semite nor any other genealogical group of people. Those who don't receive the Lord before the first death will face judgment will be dealt with very harshly but some will still rise with the second resurrection when the devil is loosed upon us and them again. Then the final judgement will occur and the wheat will be sepperated from the wheat and the weeds will be burned.

Most of the Jews that have or will be saved will be taken in the rapture and all who are left will have to suffer the tribulation. I THINK. I don't claim to be an expert on the end times and I've been taught pre, mid and late trib., rapture theories. So I'll admit that 'I' certainly can't claim to know for sure.
God's promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are irrevocable. They were not contingent upon what Israel either did or did not do. The promises themselves God would always fulfill, both good and bad. Since many prophesies and promises in regards to both Israel, and Jesus have not yet been fulfilled, this means God will fulfill them, in the future, just as He has always promised. To teach anything else is to call God a liar. That is not a good position to be in.

You may not be anti-Semitic, but Replacement Theology is a decidedly ant-Semitic theology. It removes God's promised inheritance to Israel, and Jesus and arbitrarily assigns them to the Church. People may believe that is what is going to happen, but believing it does not make it so, and the people practicing this messed-up theology are in for one hell of a shock. This theology's roots were planted by the Catholic Church because the RCC hated the Jews. The RCC, Augustine, and Origen also gave us allegorical biblical interpretation and Amillennialism, all designed to take God's promises away from Israel, and Jesus, and give them to the church. It is a man-made doctrine from the word "go."

In the second paragraph, you have your eschatology hopelessly tangled. No one at the White Throne Judgment is saved, or spared. Every single person at the White Throne Judgment, the "second death" goes to hell. Every single one of them. This is at the end of the 1000 year reign. The separation of the wheat and the tares occurs before the 1000 year reign, at the end of the Tribulation.

The 144,000 could not be taken at the Rapture. The Rapture occurs before the tribulation, and even if you want to teach a mid-tribulation scenario, you HAVE to have a Rapture before the sixth seal is opened. The 144,000 are not chosen until after the 6th seal is opened, and these are chosen to spread the Gospel. Everything after the 6th seal is directly the Wrath of God, and people saved during the Church Age, if they were still on the Earth have to be either divinely protected from all harm, or removed from the Earth before the 6th seal is opened because we are not allowed to receive direct wrath from God. A Rapture for Church Age believers anywhere after the 6th seal directly violates scripture and God's promises to the Church. There is no need for the Church during the End Times because the entire focus is once again on Israel and their final and complete redemption. Yes, 3/4's of them will die, but that is not the point. The point is, God redeems them and gives them their promised inheritance. And if you believe that He does not, then you should also consider the possibility that a god who would not keep his promises to one group of people might not keep them for another group of people either. Is that what you believe? You can't have it both ways.
 

calibob

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God's promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are irrevocable. They were not contingent upon what Israel either did or did not do. The promises themselves God would always fulfill, both good and bad. Since many prophesies and promises in regards to both Israel, and Jesus have not yet been fulfilled, this means God will fulfill them, in the future, just as He has always promised. To teach anything else is to call God a liar. That is not a good position to be in.

You may not be anti-Semitic, but Replacement Theology is a decidedly ant-Semitic theology. It removes God's promised inheritance to Israel, and Jesus and arbitrarily assigns them to the Church. People may believe that is what is going to happen, but believing it does not make it so, and the people practicing this messed-up theology are in for one hell of a shock. This theology's roots were planted by the Catholic Church because the RCC hated the Jews. The RCC, Augustine, and Origen also gave us allegorical biblical interpretation and Amillennialism, all designed to take God's promises away from Israel, and Jesus, and give them to the church. It is a man-made doctrine from the word "go."

In the second paragraph, you have your eschatology hopelessly tangled. No one at the White Throne Judgment is saved, or spared. Every single person at the White Throne Judgment, the "second death" goes to hell. Every single one of them. This is at the end of the 1000 year reign. The separation of the wheat and the tares occurs before the 1000 year reign, at the end of the Tribulation.

The 144,000 could not be taken at the Rapture. The Rapture occurs before the tribulation, and even if you want to teach a mid-tribulation scenario, you HAVE to have a Rapture before the sixth seal is opened. The 144,000 are not chosen until after the 6th seal is opened, and these are chosen to spread the Gospel. Everything after the 6th seal is directly the Wrath of God, and people saved during the Church Age, if they were still on the Earth have to be either divinely protected from all harm, or removed from the Earth before the 6th seal is opened because we are not allowed to receive direct wrath from God. A Rapture for Church Age believers anywhere after the 6th seal directly violates scripture and God's promises to the Church. There is no need for the Church during the End Times because the entire focus is once again on Israel and their final and complete redemption. Yes, 3/4's of them will die, but that is not the point. The point is, God redeems them and gives them their promised inheritance. And if you believe that He does not, then you should also consider the possibility that a god who would not keep his promises to one group of people might not keep them for another group of people either. Is that what you believe? You can't have it both ways.
I was taught 3 tribulation scenarios. The one that makes the most sense to me is mid trib. And Only the born again Hebrew descendants will receive the promised inheritance because they will be taken out before the final destruction of the rest of all mankind. but those who are put to the sword for not worshiping the beast or taking the mark may get another chance after the rest are killed.
 
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This thread has no association with a anti trump movement , neither a deep state left or right clash , nor has it anything to do with msm fake news , but to alarm the believers that there is a power that want to have control of The United States of America.

This power has been in the works for quite some time , it has also drawn many presidents into it's worldly political views.

The Letter Trump wrote to the Papacy is in his very own words , this is not fake news. He is clarifying that he has created a joint movement with the Papacy , and as i stated on thee original thread , what if he adopts the papacy encyclical .

Trump is Jesuit trained , and his religious advisers are not for the Constitution , but for Church & State to unite. If the founding Fathers of America would have seen this , it would be consider treason against the people of america.

Shalom
May I beg to differ about Trump being Jesuit educated.
I am not sure how the Jesuit have come across to outsiders but here in Italy they are famous for being highly educated and very deceiving.
Maybe you could put Kissinger in that list, even Obama who was used for his black colour to mean Change was coming - but not President Trump, he lacks the highly educated side of the Jesuit upbringing, so that's to be considered.
Uniting Church and State would seem more like a New World Order plan, in this we may consider President Trump as part of the story, mainly because those that were not part of the plot wouldn't have been allowed to reach the Presidency.

I have studied the new candidates, Andrew Yang seems the most Christian to me in his approach, forgiving and honest, hoping to build a better world for all, wanting to fight poverty - all very Christian ideals.

I would like to think President Trump's presidency closed with this term, he has not been good for the image of America outside the borders, that position should be covered by a man of substance that wants peace and the well being of all equally and leads the world in that direction.
I am sure President Trump's personal tweets will become a subject of study in universities around the world about what a President Should Never even think, never mind say, let alone tweet.