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[gb9]

gb9 has never proven me wrong in this forum. They misrepresent the truth of what I say and use that as claim to proving me wrong. And their pride or worse, precludes them from reading anyones offering of informative Biblical sources so as to educate their ignorance on a matter they insist they are correct about. And it is that tactic they employ that then allows them to claim they've proven a member here wrong about a topic or issue in scripture.

When you encounter that campaign or agenda that issues forth the charge, "JUDAIZER", you are encountering that which is anti-Jewish. There is a difference between being Anti-Jewish and Antisemitic, though one can actually practice as both. And do.
Jesus was Jewish, His family were Jewish, His Disciples/Apostles were Jewish. And the first Christians were largely Jewish. Go figure how being opposed to the Jewish aspect of scripture makes sense.

What has been discussed in this forum are the laws of God and how they pertain today for the Christian. When Jesus reiterated parts of the Ten Commandments/Ten Words of God, and He and His Disciples observed the Sabbath, the Apostles doing so after Jesus ascended back to Heaven, there is a message there that the Ten Commands, the moral guidance for behaviors for those who are to love God and their neighbor, still matter. As well as the Sabbath, because Jesus told us, the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
And nowhere in scripture does Jesus say we are to no longer observe the Sabbath nor to uphold a moral virtue, as outlined in the Ten Commandments/Ten Words of God.

The Dietary Feasts, Feast Days, were never abolished either. Though there are those who believe those as well as the Ten Commands/Ten Words, were for "Jews Only". . In as much as saying outright that the Old Covenant/ Old Testament (Testament in the Hebrew is the same as Covenant in meaning and application), because of the New Covenant/Testament was too.
This isn't true.

Jesus said not one jot nor tittle of the law shall fall away until all is fulfilled. If we are familiar with the Old Covenant/Testament, we know that there is more to the Messianic prophecy. Therefore, all has not yet been fulfilled. Jesus said He did not come to abolish the law. Those other Ten Words of God/Jesus are ignored by those who are opposed to God's law.
Rather, Jesus said He came to fulfill the law. And he did! Perfectly. And yet, Jesus knew that all was not yet accomplished. Which is why in His ministry he told his Disciples and others, if you love me keep my commands. That is also seemingly ignored by those who ignore God's law and testament.
Jesus reiterated much of the Ten Commands/Words, in His ministry. Odd that he would do that if he came to abolish them, as some men claim, while ignoring that Jesus said He did not come for that purpose.

No matter how many independent sources of information informing these facts are posted, they are repeatedly ignored. And now there's a new slur to accompany the charge of "JUDAIZER!" Cult propaganda! When sources that are learned, and far more so than any member here, are offered for review. Because it is easier to use two cutting words of dismissal , than it is to take ten minutes or more to educate one's ignorance. And of course, it takes even less time to contrive a lie about those who think enough of genuine students of scripture so as to make that offering of independent research and Biblically supported articles reporting on the Covenant and God's laws as they apply today.

So there you have it. Those who mock, ridicule, slander Christians are not fair faithful sources to be taken seriously when they are actually mocking, ridiculing, and slandering God's words that inspire the Christians here to share in the words of our Lord.

Sadly, it appears none the less that such is dedicated to that hobby. One can only hope prayers protect their targets and if it be God's will, protect them from the eternity God forewarns awaits those who are not His.
Thank you for reading this far if you did. I've been ridiculed for long winded posts. However, in my defense, when short posts don't get through the wall of hate, sometimes you have to employ other methods in the hopes even a parcel of truth will find its way through a crack in the visage that demonstrates it has no intention of actually learning anything remotely related to the study of Apologetics.

here I am being accused of being anti-jewish because I say that anyone who says that Law and Sabbath and dietary laws, etc,.. is judeaizing.
I do not have time to debunk all these lies and false claims in this, but i'll give a quick go.

in Leviticus 26, God spoke to Moses about the " Covenant He made with the fathers of those who came out of Egypt".

that would be the same Covenant that whispered just wrote all this about.

so, if any care about what God the Father said about whom was under what covenant, there it is.

so, if one cannot trace their ancestry back to those who crossed the red sea, then that Covenant was not made with you.

not to mention, Paul said multiple times that gentiles never had the Law.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Actually He did lose the election. By 3 million votes.

so you don't agree with fair representation?

that is what the Electoral Collage is for

of course if illegals were not voting, I seriously doubt that margin you are touting would exist

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I wasn't dishonest. I was inferring the college kids you referred to were your friends, or people you actually know. Your omission as to where you allegedly gained your information about their beliefs about Socialism is your responsibility.

you are consistently dishonest

and in denial

and that does not bode well for your comprehension

it also makes me sad cause I thought you were honest

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I have to disagree with this. Whispered may be many things, but I have not seen her Judaising. Do you have any proof of this accusation?

she has revealed she does believe in keeping the 10 commandments or you are not saved...ie you work for your salvation, also that Mary was sinless (Catholic) and so on

my point regarding those commandments, is that Jesus says we fulfill them when we follow the 2 He gave above love...as He states the law is SUMMED up by those 2

but we are not saved by keeping commandments

there was an entire thread in which we were introduced to what she actually does believe

I was pretty disappointed

here is one of the threads in question

 

[7seasrekeyed]

here I am being accused of being anti-jewish because I say that anyone who says that Law and Sabbath and dietary laws, etc,.. is judeaizing.
I do not have time to debunk all these lies and false claims in this, but i'll give a quick go.

in Leviticus 26, God spoke to Moses about the " Covenant He made with the fathers of those who came out of Egypt".

that would be the same Covenant that whispered just wrote all this about.

so, if any care about what God the Father said about whom was under what covenant, there it is.

so, if one cannot trace their ancestry back to those who crossed the red sea, then that Covenant was not made with you.

not to mention, Paul said multiple times that gentiles never had the Law.

well the NT refutes all those things and you will never have an end to trying to debunk what is being said

we can all read her posts and see where she stands

when a person is revealed to be someone other than who they start out as, they don't like it and will attack others

has been played out in this forum many many times over the months and years

some will use more venom than others, but it's the same tactic

 

[Whispered]

you are consistently dishonest

and in denial

and that does not bode well for your comprehension

it also makes me sad cause I thought you were honest

I don't think it is possible to express how disgusting contempt and hatred is as it regurgitates itself upon those it targets.
Such a defect in character is incapable of judging any Christian anywhere at all. Particularly as to our intellectual capacity. Two different languages; one of festering hatred and the other of peace and the love of Christ. That which the dark cannot fathom or understand

May God insure we, His church, never relate to the defective dark or its language that seeks to assault those in the Light of Christ and as such feel satisfied before its journey reaches its end for all time.
In Jesus mighty name, AMEN!

 

[Whispered]

she has revealed she does believe in keeping the 10 commandments or you are not saved...ie you work for your salvation, also that Mary was sinless (Catholic) and so on

my point regarding those commandments, is that Jesus says we fulfill them when we follow the 2 He gave above love...as He states the law is SUMMED up by those 2

but we are not saved by keeping commandments

there was an entire thread in which we were introduced to what she actually does believe

I was pretty disappointed

here is one of the threads in question

Correction: You are pretty disappointing. And for those 10 Commands / Ten Words of God you've said you believe in and that still apply, you violate the one that warns against bearing false witness. For those not familiar with the Ten Commands as written, that is another way of saying, do not lie about others, nor foster hatred based on lies.

 

[Whispered]

I have to disagree with this. Whispered may be many things, but I have not seen her Judaising. Do you have any proof of this accusation?

You'll notice there is one consistency in personal attack posts directed at me here. Each person writing them uses the same posting style or language so as to publish their assault.
As I am the one being misrepresented by those who bear false witness, for those who are not familiar with the Ten Commands of God, also known as the Ten Words of God, that would be what everyday language would mean, do not lie about people.

So as to settle the dust of false witness here I'll note the truth of my posts for your consideration. I have never said we need to keep the Ten Commandments in order to remain or become Saved. That would be likened unto saying we must work to stay Saved, and as Christians know works do not save. Works in the name of Christ are an example of being saved.
One detractor here has themselves admitted they believe the Ten Commandments still hold. They have not said we have to "keep them" in order to be or remain saved.

Secondly, so as to correct the false witness concerning Mary with the actual truth of my posts in the thread asking, was Mary Sinless? In that thread I recognized that God's angel Gabriel,who came to Mary so as to inform her of Gods will for her, told her she was highly favored by God.
The New Testament was written in Koine (Common) Greek. In my post I referred to the Greek Concordance so as to show "Favored" also related to grace.
Therefore, it was and remains my belief that the angel was telling Mary that God had put her in His grace, which means , as pertains to what Christians know today about grace, that God had forgiven Mary her sins (highly favored). And why not? God cannot inhabit a woman dead in her sins. There is no scripture that tells us Holy Spirit God indwells sinners. And here we have the angel of God bringing Mary Gods message that she was highly favored by God so as to bear to life His only begotten Son, the prophesied Messiah. He whom she was to name, per the angels message to her, Emmanuel, meaning, "God with us".
Imagine God indwelling a woman dead in her sins so that the one that was being born into the sinful world could save the world from its sins.
Doesn't make sense does it? Emmanuel God being born to save the world from its sins arrives in the world in the womb of a sinner? What then was He waiting for when He was the Savior of Sinners, if He would not Save the woman He found worthy and chose to be His earthly mother.

I never once said Mary was sinless. She was in God's grace, and as such her sins were forgiven her just as ours are. And what does scripture tell the Christian about that?
Children of God
The Book of 1st John chapter 3:8The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil. 9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10By this the children of God are distinguished from the children of the devil: Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is anyone who does not love his brother.


Perhaps the truth of God's word below doesn't resonate with my accusers because they are in the habit of sinning repeatedly when they bear false witness against me, and others here, in their campaign to stir strife and, as you'll note when they speak to different members in threads about me or anyone else who speak of Gods actual words, turn members against us using false claims about our beliefs. All in print and able to be read as proof of their false witness.
Why? Is the question. Why would anyone labor to manufacture falsehoods so as to cast aspersions upon those whom they target in such ways? Why is there a collective opposed to the Hebrew part of Gods word? And in their zeal see "Judaizers" where there are actually Christians honoring Gods word and putting on the light and love of Christ in the process. Not responding with vitriol as our attackers do.
And have you noted? This is a thread in the Christian News forum and is speaking about President Trump. Why then is it being hijacked by those who bear false witness against me concerning posts that appear in the Bible Discussion Forum?

You are able to see for yourself. There has been and ever shall be a play happening in this world both before Christ and since. The play of darkness and the light. The more hatred and contempt seeks out those who are in Christ, the more mercy we should show such disciples that they realize eventually they shall not lead us into responding in their ways, because the ways of God are preferred and born of Love and Light.
Hold them in our prayers is what I say. More and more their desperate awareness of their destiny cries out to be noticed as it is, and shall one day be quieted for all time and tragically so if they do not find peace in Christ.

The Book of John chapter 1:5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

 

[Whispered]

well the NT refutes all those things and you will never have an end to trying to debunk what is being said

we can all read her posts and see where she stands

when a person is revealed to be someone other than who they start out as, they don't like it and will attack others

has been played out in this forum many many times over the months and years

some will use more venom than others, but it's the same tactic

From now on anything you say all the slander, this is my response for you (all) to keep in mind.

 

[Whispered]

You'll notice there is one consistency in personal attack posts directed at me here. Each person writing them uses the same posting style or language so as to publish their assault.
As I am the one being misrepresented by those who bear false witness, for those who are not familiar with the Ten Commands of God, also known as the Ten Words of God, that would be what everyday language would mean, do not lie about people.

So as to settle the dust of false witness here I'll note the truth of my posts for your consideration. I have never said we need to keep the Ten Commandments in order to remain or become Saved. That would be likened unto saying we must work to stay Saved, and as Christians know works do not save. Works in the name of Christ are an example of being saved.
One detractor here has themselves admitted they believe the Ten Commandments still hold. They have not said we have to "keep them" in order to be or remain saved.

Secondly, so as to correct the false witness concerning Mary with the actual truth of my posts in the thread asking, was Mary Sinless? In that thread I recognized that God's angel Gabriel,who came to Mary so as to inform her of Gods will for her, told her she was highly favored by God.
The New Testament was written in Koine (Common) Greek. In my post I referred to the Greek Concordance so as to show "Favored" also related to grace.
Therefore, it was and remains my belief that the angel was telling Mary that God had put her in His grace, which means , as pertains to what Christians know today about grace, that God had forgiven Mary her sins (highly favored). And why not? God cannot inhabit a woman dead in her sins. There is no scripture that tells us Holy Spirit God indwells sinners. And here we have the angel of God bringing Mary Gods message that she was highly favored by God so as to bear to life His only begotten Son, the prophesied Messiah. He whom she was to name, per the angels message to her, Emmanuel, meaning, "God with us".
Imagine God indwelling a woman dead in her sins so that the one that was being born into the sinful world could save the world from its sins.
Doesn't make sense does it? Emmanuel God being born to save the world from its sins arrives in the world in the womb of a sinner? What then was He waiting for when He was the Savior of Sinners, if He would not Save the woman He found worthy and chose to be His earthly mother.

I never once said Mary was sinless. She was in God's grace, and as such her sins were forgiven her just as ours are. And what does scripture tell the Christian about that?
Children of God
The Book of 1st John chapter 3:8The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil. 9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10By this the children of God are distinguished from the children of the devil: Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is anyone who does not love his brother.


Perhaps the truth of God's word below doesn't resonate with my accusers because they are in the habit of sinning repeatedly when they bear false witness against me, and others here, in their campaign to stir strife and, as you'll note when they speak to different members in threads about me or anyone else who speak of Gods actual words, turn members against us using false claims about our beliefs. All in print and able to be read as proof of their false witness.
Why? Is the question. Why would anyone labor to manufacture falsehoods so as to cast aspersions upon those whom they target in such ways? Why is there a collective opposed to the Hebrew part of Gods word? And in their zeal see "Judaizers" where there are actually Christians honoring Gods word and putting on the light and love of Christ in the process. Not responding with vitriol as our attackers do.
And have you noted? This is a thread in the Christian News forum and is speaking about President Trump. Why then is it being hijacked by those who bear false witness against me concerning posts that appear in the Bible Discussion Forum?

You are able to see for yourself. There has been and ever shall be a play happening in this world both before Christ and since. The play of darkness and the light. The more hatred and contempt seeks out those who are in Christ, the more mercy we should show such disciples that they realize eventually they shall not lead us into responding in their ways, because the ways of God are preferred and born of Love and Light.
Hold them in our prayers is what I say. More and more their desperate awareness of their destiny cries out to be noticed as it is, and shall one day be quieted for all time and tragically so if they do not find peace in Christ.

The Book of John chapter 1:5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

Actually, I misspoke. This isn't a thread in the Christian News Forum. I'd just arrived from there and reading posts about Trump, so the holdover was still fresh thinking of News and Trump. This is a thread in the Conspiracy forum. How ironical, (yes Dorothy it's a word now sister!) that two people would conspire to bear false witness against this Christian.
Thank you Father! Message received.
Oh, how I love Gods ways, and how He has His best laid plans arriving one after the other for all people. Like pieces in a puzzle, if we take the time to look at what transpires in our individual and personal life we will stand to see a pattern laid, a thread that weaves it all together to become perfectly harmonious in the final picture. Something that happened two years ago can be recalled so that it prepared us for right now.
Wonderful! God is so wondrous.
Indeed.

 

[gb9]

Actually, I misspoke. This isn't a thread in the Christian News Forum. I'd just arrived from there and reading posts about Trump, so the holdover was still fresh thinking of News and Trump. This is a thread in the Conspiracy forum. How ironical, (yes Dorothy it's a word now sister!) that two people would conspire to bear false witness against this Christian.
Thank you Father! Message received.
Oh, how I love Gods ways, and how He has His best laid plans arriving one after the other for all people. Like pieces in a puzzle, if we take the time to look at what transpires in our individual and personal life we will stand to see a pattern laid, a thread that weaves it all together to become perfectly harmonious in the final picture. Something that happened two years ago can be recalled so that it prepared us for right now.
Wonderful! God is so wondrous.
Indeed.

lets see, so far in the last few days, you have stated I have socialists friends, ( never said I did), say that you do not think one has to keep the Law and Sabbath to saved, ( which you do ), sent me a p.m. saying that I wanted to speak with you , ( never said I did), and posted repeatedly in the wrong thread ( with no apology ), and accused myself and 7seas of conspiring against you, ( you have p.m. ed me more that 7 seas, with your one to 7seas none).

so, yet after all this, you say that I slandered you....

let me know when you return to earth from your spaced out trip...

 

[1christian1]

so you don't agree with fair representation?

that is what the Electoral Collage is for

of course if illegals were not voting, I seriously doubt that margin you are touting would exist

Illegals are'nt allowed in this country anymore. Hav'nt you listened to trump ? They can't get work here much less voting???

 

[7seasrekeyed]

From now on anything you say all the slander, this is my response for you (all) to keep in mind.

right

well you go ahead and report me then

but you will not do that, because no one here has slandered you

you have stated Mary is sinless and other things unrelated to the gospel and I would not be surprised if people had reported you in fact since this site does not put up with proselytizing or promoting the Catholic faith

your way is not perfect and praying to Mary and other dead people will not give any help to anyone

you have not been honest and that is your own fault and now here you are trying to smear gb9 and accuse him of being anti semitic and other nonsense so I spoke up

you should stop twisting what people say because you are not very good at it and certainly not convincing

if there is a problem here, you made it yourself

post whatever and wherever you like, but false accusations are not going to fly

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Illegals are'nt allowed in this country anymore. Hav'nt you listened to trump ? They can't get work here much less voting???

LOL! I know you know better

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Correction: You are pretty disappointing. And for those 10 Commands / Ten Words of God you've said you believe in and that still apply, you violate the one that warns against bearing false witness. For those not familiar with the Ten Commands as written, that is another way of saying, do not lie about others, nor foster hatred based on lies.

well that is your twisted version of what I posted

I said they are summed up in what Jesus said and that our salvation is not contingent on keeping them because we simply cannot...at least every version of scripture I know of states that

you are the one that stated they must be kept in order to maintain salvation

and of course there are considerable posts by you that will attest to that fact

as I have said previously, it is not the fact you are Catholic or follow Catholic beliefs...it is the fact you misrepresented yourself

and I am sorry that is how it turned out but since I do not believe any one of us is sinless I would have no problem with any of it if you would just quit fabricating things and be real

 

[7seasrekeyed]

lets see, so far in the last few days, you have stated I have socialists friends, ( never said I did), say that you do not think one has to keep the Law and Sabbath to saved, ( which you do ), sent me a p.m. saying that I wanted to speak with you , ( never said I did), and posted repeatedly in the wrong thread ( with no apology ), and accused myself and 7seas of conspiring against you, ( you have p.m. ed me more that 7 seas, with your one to 7seas none).

so, yet after all this, you say that I slandered you....

let me know when you return to earth from your spaced out trip...

ummm

I have never pm'ed you or her and in fact have that turned off but if you are being pm'ed and do not want someone doing so, just put them on ignore or report it

in fact, I would suggest that you do one of those 2 things because if she is saying you wanted to speak with her and you didn't and she pm'ed you, that's a little off the wall

she can't do that to me because I don't use the feature

the whole thing is ridiculous IMO

 

[7seasrekeyed]

here is most of my post #105 from the thread I already linked to

it contains what I actually stated about the law and what Jesus said.

most Christians here will agree with the fact we are no longer judged by the law. they will agree that Christ fulfilled the law and by so doing, by offering Himself as the final sacrifice (the Lamb of God as John referred to Him), there is no further sacrifice which means the law has served its purpose as but a shadow of things to come...referencing believers and not the unsaved as Paul was writing to believers

at some length, I already explained that we do obey the law in that we do not kill, commit adultery etc, if we follow Christ. now He also said that the summation of the law was in the 2 new commandments that He gave...and they contained the word love...not human love, but the love prescribed by God in His commandments given to Moses

what you consider your so called superior knowledge of the word, is actually your error driven Catholicism and unfortunate belief that the law is something added to salvation when it is not

again, your preference is personal attack...ad hominim attack....rather than discussing the scripture(s) in question

the proof of what I say regarding salvation has been provided in previous posts just today and again, YOUR preference is to have a personal confrontation

salvation is through Jesus Christ and the Jews refused their Messiah and cursed themselves in so doing

for someone who claims to be so knowledgeable with the word, why is it you insist on saying we are saved through the Jews when the Jews refused their salvation?

there is neither time nor space to review the entire OT which it seems you are conflating with the New and this is not a teaching platform anyway.

it is really small of you to continue saying we are against Jews when at any time anyone can review my posts and others and confirm that we are actually FOR the Jews and Israel. there are multiples of threads that will illustrate what I say is true

so you continue in your paraphrases and false accusations and desire to win by actual personal confrontation

I have nothing to win. I believe Jesus died for me and all others on this planet but only those who accept Him are His

I don't know how a person could win more than what I already have in Christ

do you always try to manipulate those around you or is that something you reserve for posts where you remain anonymous and thereby assure yourself that your reputation is still good

sadly though, you claim to represent Christ when in fact you may be saved, but your doctrine is very skewed and shadowed over with Catholic superstition and outright heresy

this thread is not about you or me. it is about the error of Judaizing but the op does not even know what that is or what purpose the letter to the Galatians was about

and as for this:

The idea that Salvation is for the Gentiles now and all things pertaining to the Hebrews are done away.
you might as well say 'watch me pull a rabbit out of my own dogma' if you think you can pin that on me

there are those that may believe that, but again, I have hundreds of posts to my credit that deny any substance to your claims

and as for the scripture? you have nothing? not surprised

Correction: You are pretty disappointing. And for those 10 Commands / Ten Words of God you've said you believe in and that still apply, you violate the one that warns against bearing false witness. For those not familiar with the Ten Commands as written, that is another way of saying, do not lie about others, nor foster hatred based on lies.

above is post 47 from this thread. it does not tell the truth about what I actually said

this has happened time after time after time, in which whispered misrepresents and twists what a person states and then falsely accuses them

 

[1christian1]

so you don't agree with fair representation?

that is what the Electoral Collage is for

of course if illegals were not voting, I seriously doubt that margin you are touting would exist

The electoral college is stupid. I feel so bad. 3 million United States Citizens votes, Didin't matter... What do you think???

 

[1christian1]

LOL! I know you know better

Better than what dude...

 

[7seasrekeyed]

So as to settle the dust of false witness here I'll note the truth of my posts for your consideration. I have never said we need to keep the Ten Commandments in order to remain or become Saved. That would be likened unto saying we must work to stay Saved, and as Christians know works do not save. Works in the name of Christ are an example of being saved.
One detractor here has themselves admitted they believe the Ten Commandments still hold. They have not said we have to "keep them" in order to be or remain saved.

I don't really want the bother of going back and finding where you did state we must keep the 10 commandments to maintain salvation

but maybe I should because I really dislike the fabrications you seem to prefer to the truth