Ukraine the bad guy?

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cv5

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so, what is more important= which person posts something or is what being posted true??

what he posted was a swiss bank report that russia added 400 million dollars of wealth last year, how they added 56.000 new millionaires .

and this is a swiss bank report, with business insider, reuters, and visual capitalist reporting it.

might want to check things and not just dismiss because you do not like the person posting the story..
Somebody please tell @JohnDB that Ukrainians were (are?) purchasing Russian petrol for something like $500-$1000 a barrel.
During the thick of the war. With Amerikansky tax dollars gifted/grifted by Grandpa "el diablo" Sniffer.

But its a righteous war never forget it. And the Ukrainian economy is booming. And the Uke factories are cranking out munitions by the trainload. And they are going to retake Crimea. Any time soon. For sure. Etc etc.
 

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I didn't say Russia NEVER lost a war, only that there is NO way they are losing this one. Unless it becomes a wider conflict.




Battles are components of war. There are a myriad of Battles throughout history that directly led to the surrender and end of conflicts.
Wars, 99% of the time are not ended by fighting. Never have been in human history unless there is a complete genocide.
 

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Wars, 99% of the time are not ended by fighting.
Cmon guy. This is just silly on the face of it.

The losses on the battlefield are DIRECTLY, related to any stoppage of fighting in virtually EVERY war.
 

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Supposedly NATO has officially retracted that idea, saying it was "out of context" aka "cat got out of the bag".
I know, but to even float the idea tells you what their mindset is, and how they are desperately changing expectations.
 

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Cmon guy. This is just silly on the face of it.

The losses on the battlefield are DIRECTLY, related to any stoppage of fighting in virtually EVERY war.
I think what he is saying is you don't want to kill everyone, you want someone who can sign the peace treaty when it is over.
 

ZNP

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I know, but to even float the idea tells you what their mindset is, and how they are desperately changing expectations.
But it doesn't make sense what with the glorious Fall counteroffensive they are about to throw at those land mines.
 

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so, what is more important= which person posts something or is what being posted true??

what he posted was a swiss bank report that russia added 400 million dollars of wealth last year, how they added 56.000 new millionaires .

and this is a swiss bank report, with business insider, reuters, and visual capitalist reporting it.

might want to check things and not just dismiss because you do not like the person posting the story..
Ok....now that you have explained....
Russia has lost the people who have that money as well as their money contributing to their economy in the form of investments. Putin went to the middle east for an economic summit asking for investors and got laughed at.

Many of these are not going to ever return until the Iron Curtain is removed again. Which is when Putin (or another Stalin wannabe) is out of leadership.

Yes. The number increased....because Russian and Middle Eastern banking are not the most transparent. Only sufficiently transparent to be a part of the IME....so they can participate in international trade. Many of these wealthy people made money in and outside of Russia but have pulled their cash out and abandoned their hard assets or their factories were confiscated in the "national interests" of Russia. Some hard assets were sold for fractions of pennies on the dollar.

Like I said before....that poster posts extremely misleading information. It's only partial information intended to deceive others.

What I'm finding unique is that many of these "millionaires" are having a difficult time assimilating into the rest of the world. Because of their nationality the only thing allowing them access is their money....while everyone holds their nose....and some countries are refusing them and their money. They want nothing to do with the Russian wealthy, their investment money, or their businesses.

The Swiss? They took Nazi money and gold during WW2....nuff said there.
 

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Cmon guy. This is just silly on the face of it.

The losses on the battlefield are DIRECTLY, related to any stoppage of fighting in virtually EVERY war.
Other than WW2....
What war ended solely because of fighting and not diplomats or politicians deciding to stop fighting?
 

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Other than WW2....
What war ended solely because of fighting and not diplomats or politicians deciding to stop fighting?
The diplomats or politicians decide to stop fighting BECAUSE of wins and losses on the battlefield!

What war WASN'T this the case?
 

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For those that somehow think Ukraine can win. You KNOW it's bad when you see headlines like this:

NATO Suggests For First Time Ukraine Could Cede Territory

NATO Suggests For First Time Ukraine Could Cede Territory | ZeroHedge
This is not happening....it's fantasy.

Are you willing to give up Alaska, Oregon, and Washington if Russia invaded the USA in order to broker a peace deal?
What would Idaho think about that? California and Nevada wouldn't exactly like it either.
 

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This is not happening....it's fantasy.

Are you willing to give up Alaska, Oregon, and Washington if Russia invaded the USA in order to broker a peace deal?
What would Idaho think about that? California and Nevada wouldn't exactly like it either.
Well I think we should vote on it, I'm not so sure we wouldn't agree to give them California.
 

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This is not happening....it's fantasy.

Are you willing to give up Alaska, Oregon, and Washington if Russia invaded the USA in order to broker a peace deal?
What would Idaho think about that? California and Nevada wouldn't exactly like it either.
If that were to come about, we should throw in California, too.
 

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Ok....now that you have explained....
Russia has lost the people who have that money as well as their money contributing to their economy in the form of investments. Putin went to the middle east for an economic summit asking for investors and got laughed at.

Many of these are not going to ever return until the Iron Curtain is removed again. Which is when Putin (or another Stalin wannabe) is out of leadership.

Yes. The number increased....because Russian and Middle Eastern banking are not the most transparent. Only sufficiently transparent to be a part of the IME....so they can participate in international trade. Many of these wealthy people made money in and outside of Russia but have pulled their cash out and abandoned their hard assets or their factories were confiscated in the "national interests" of Russia. Some hard assets were sold for fractions of pennies on the dollar.

Like I said before....that poster posts extremely misleading information. It's only partial information intended to deceive others.

What I'm finding unique is that many of these "millionaires" are having a difficult time assimilating into the rest of the world. Because of their nationality the only thing allowing them access is their money....while everyone holds their nose....and some countries are refusing them and their money. They want nothing to do with the Russian wealthy, their investment money, or their businesses.

The Swiss? They took Nazi money and gold during WW2....nuff said there.
so, first " russia is losing money"

now it is " well they have gained money, but it is not what you think".

instead of all this dancing and bopping around, would it not be much easier to just admit the narrative around this is mostly wrong, and is just media propaganda from america and ukraine??
 
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Psalm 94:20-23

20 Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?

21 They gather themselves together against the soul of the righteous, and condemn the innocent blood.

22 But the Lord is my defence; and my God is the rock of my refuge.

23 And he shall bring upon them their own iniquity, and shall cut them off in their own wickedness; yea, the Lord our God shall cut them off.

PRAISE JESUS!

 

cv5

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I know, but to even float the idea tells you what their mindset is, and how they are desperately changing expectations.
Clearly. At this stage everybody knows this whole charade was a very very bad idea.
And perish the thought that the Euro lap dogs finally figured out that they are getting the short and of the stick on this deal, including blown up pipelines, massive inflation, full-blown recession, and wasted $$$military hardware$$$.
 

cv5

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This is not happening....it's fantasy.

Are you willing to give up Alaska, Oregon, and Washington if Russia invaded the USA in order to broker a peace deal?
What would Idaho think about that? California and Nevada wouldn't exactly like it either.
I am all for Mexico not joining the Warsaw pact (armed to the teeth including nukes) or whatever facsimile of that exists in this present day.