Ukraine the bad guy?

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gb9

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Uh oh, bad news for the Democrats, and the globalists, where will they get the campaign donations from if they can't launder the money through Ukraine?
that will be interesting to see how they respond...
 

gb9

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Expect resignations or WW3.
or tell the truth about what they have done.

( that will never happen, people who don't know God have no remorse about what they do }
 

ZNP

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or tell the truth about what they have done.

( that will never happen, people who don't know God have no remorse about what they do }
Some people do repent, some do become whistleblowers, but only a few. Others die like Scarface or Sonny.
 

Fundaamental

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NBC News admits that US and European officials are working with Ukraine’s government, to talk about potential peace negotiations to end the war! THE MSM ARE ADMITTING THE WAR IS LOST! Ukraine are finished!

yup like I said 200 posts ago, when people questioned my intelligence,

I said there will come a time when the USA will strike a peace deal with Russia,

Anyone remember ?.


Well I think you'll find the time as come for the USA to sell Ukraine out,

Why ?

Well I think you'll find Ukraine owes the USA that much money for arms, that the USA now probably owns Ukraine 🙂.

Isn't that marvellous,

What's the bets Russia gets a share of oil and gas profits from now on in certain parts of Ukraine, oh and what's the bets so does USA, oh like for the next 100 years or so,

And guess what, after the peace deal, you'll all be suckered into thinking Ukraine has finally got its independence 🙂.

Hey maybe we might get @Gideon300 tell us once more that those defending Ukraine are all saints 🙂
 

Gideon300

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yup like I said 200 posts ago, when people questioned my intelligence,

I said there will come a time when the USA will strike a peace deal with Russia,

Anyone remember ?.


Well I think you'll find the time as come for the USA to sell Ukraine out,

Why ?

Well I think you'll find Ukraine owes the USA that much money for arms, that the USA now probably owns Ukraine 🙂.

Isn't that marvellous,

What's the bets Russia gets a share of oil and gas profits from now on in certain parts of Ukraine, oh and what's the bets so does USA, oh like for the next 100 years or so,

And guess what, after the peace deal, you'll all be suckered into thinking Ukraine has finally got its independence 🙂.

Hey maybe we might get @Gideon300 tell us once more that those defending Ukraine are all saints 🙂
Hey, I wish you would stop putting words in my mouth. You are trivialising an issue that has world wide consequences. If Putin is not stopped in Ukraine, where will he stop? If the US government can't see that, they blind. Putin has been declaring his intentions for decades. It would be better for Ukraine to be indebted to the West than occupied by Russia. That is a no brainer.

Much of what has been supplied to Ukraine has no real dollar value. A lot of it is obsolete, taken out of long term storage. Defence will be glad to be rid of it. The war is also a proving ground for military hardware and the world is learning a great deal about tactics and strategy. Ukraine pays in blood while the world throws some crumbs their way.
 

ZNP

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Hey, I wish you would stop putting words in my mouth. You are trivialising an issue that has world wide consequences. If Putin is not stopped in Ukraine, where will he stop?
Paris
 

Gideon300

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He will be stopped when someone gets enough spine to resist him. So far, only Poland has shown that kind of resolve. Funny how a nation occupied by Russia is determined never to let it happen again.
 

gb9

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Hey, I wish you would stop putting words in my mouth. You are trivialising an issue that has world wide consequences. If Putin is not stopped in Ukraine, where will he stop? If the US government can't see that, they blind. Putin has been declaring his intentions for decades. It would be better for Ukraine to be indebted to the West than occupied by Russia. That is a no brainer.

Much of what has been supplied to Ukraine has no real dollar value. A lot of it is obsolete, taken out of long term storage. Defence will be glad to be rid of it. The war is also a proving ground for military hardware and the world is learning a great deal about tactics and strategy. Ukraine pays in blood while the world throws some crumbs their way.
so, the 10's of billons of u s dollars of cash are of no value??
( well, they might not be soon, but that is not the point).
 

Gojira

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yup like I said 200 posts ago, when people questioned my intelligence,

I said there will come a time when the USA will strike a peace deal with Russia,

Anyone remember ?.


Well I think you'll find the time as come for the USA to sell Ukraine out,

Why ?

Well I think you'll find Ukraine owes the USA that much money for arms, that the USA now probably owns Ukraine 🙂.

Isn't that marvellous,

What's the bets Russia gets a share of oil and gas profits from now on in certain parts of Ukraine, oh and what's the bets so does USA, oh like for the next 100 years or so,

And guess what, after the peace deal, you'll all be suckered into thinking Ukraine has finally got its independence 🙂.

Hey maybe we might get @Gideon300 tell us once more that those defending Ukraine are all saints 🙂
Or, consider that Ukraine has something on the Bidens, hence the continued aid.
 

Fundaamental

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Hey, I wish you would stop putting words in my mouth. You are trivialising an issue that has world wide consequences. If Putin is not stopped in Ukraine, where will he stop? If the US government can't see that, they blind. Putin has been declaring his intentions for decades. It would be better for Ukraine to be indebted to the West than occupied by Russia. That is a no brainer.

Much of what has been supplied to Ukraine has no real dollar value. A lot of it is obsolete, taken out of long term storage. Defence will be glad to be rid of it. The war is also a proving ground for military hardware and the world is learning a great deal about tactics and strategy. Ukraine pays in blood while the world throws some crumbs their way.
Putin stopped, ? That would be a laugh, there's lots of Putin's 🙂

https://youtube.com/shorts/USpBVIdSjsY?si=hmtBr2rqu8PhkEU0
 

Fundaamental

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Or, consider that Ukraine has something on the Bidens, hence the continued aid.
you mean like blackmail or something, possibly proof the USA where funding laboratories in Ukraine that grow viruses like COVID 🙂
 

Fundaamental

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Hey, I wish you would stop putting words in my mouth. You are trivialising an issue that has world wide consequences. If Putin is not stopped in Ukraine, where will he stop? If the US government can't see that, they blind. Putin has been declaring his intentions for decades. It would be better for Ukraine to be indebted to the West than occupied by Russia. That is a no brainer.

Much of what has been supplied to Ukraine has no real dollar value. A lot of it is obsolete, taken out of long term storage. Defence will be glad to be rid of it. The war is also a proving ground for military hardware and the world is learning a great deal about tactics and strategy. Ukraine pays in blood while the world throws some crumbs their way.
you know after further reading your post here, I can't believe the hypocrisy of it,

Do you know how much of this stock that you call surplus, or getting that old, that it needs to be used before it becomes unusable ?.

Or better still do you know how much animation Ukraine has actually has of the USA

It sound like your saying the USA are in the habit of making weapons that cost a lot of money, just to go and give it away ?.

I would of thought theese weapons are better made to order. For hazard and security reasons.

But seeing as your the one with the words in your mouth and by the looks of it inside information, perhaps you could tell us otherwise.
 

Gojira

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you mean like blackmail or something, possibly proof the USA where funding laboratories in Ukraine that grow viruses like COVID 🙂
I was more thinking about Hunter's involvement over there when Obama was president, but who knows.
 

Fundaamental

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I was more thinking about Hunter's involvement over there when Obama was president, but who knows.
there was a lot of media attention over that, I think donald trump complained about it if I remember correctly,

The latest is biden has had an emergency bill blocked to supply arms to Isreal and Ukraine,

It's looks biden is using an excuse to get the bill passed, as he saying if you don't push this bill through Ukraine will lose and Russia will invade other countries close by, suggesting NATO countries too,

Well that sounds like here say to me,

So possibly you could be right 👍.
 

Fundaamental

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you know after further reading your post here, I can't believe the hypocrisy of it,

Do you know how much of this stock that you call surplus, or getting that old, that it needs to be used before it becomes unusable ?.

Or better still do you know how much animation Ukraine has actually has of the USA

It sound like your saying the USA are in the habit of making weapons that cost a lot of money, just to go and give it away ?.

I would of thought theese weapons are better made to order. For hazard and security reasons.

But seeing as your the one with the words in your mouth and by the looks of it inside information, perhaps you could tell us otherwise.
Im thinking that ammunition such as explosives would be under tight regulation and checked yearly, and stored in places fit and ready for war anytime, i cant see them having a sell by date on them, unless they fail inspection @Gideon300, maybe your vivid imagination of Ukraine having unlimited resource of weapons from a wishful thinking of the USA and UK being hero's is clouding your judgement,
 

Gideon300

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Or, consider that Ukraine has something on the Bidens, hence the continued aid.
Im thinking that ammunition such as explosives would be under tight regulation and checked yearly, and stored in places fit and ready for war anytime, i cant see them having a sell by date on them, unless they fail inspection @Gideon300, maybe your vivid imagination of Ukraine having unlimited resource of weapons from a wishful thinking of the USA and UK being hero's is clouding your judgement,
Your ignorance is on display again. I know something about these thing due to my previous work. Explosives are difficult to make stable and rocket propellants worse. Some of the cluster munitions supplied to Ukraine were made in the 1990's. Do you know how to check the explosive inside a shell? When I was in the "missile age" Navy (a recruiting ad), each ship fired a missile once a year. That was because the propellant was close to its expiry date. Missile age indeed.

The US has vast numbers of Bradleys and Abrams tanks in storage. They have book value only. They cost money to store. The US would not pay the cost of bringing vast amounts of equipment back from Afghanistan, same as happened in Vietnam. There are always two sides to a financial equation, something accountants rarely consider. First, how much does it cost if we do something. Second, what is the cost of we do nothing. You can save money by not servicing your car. If you run out of oil and blow the engine, it will cost you far more than you might have saved. Europe and the US will pay a high price if they permit Russia to prevail in this war.

Ukraine has resisted the "second best" army in the world (second rate seems appropriate) for well over 18 months. Russia has lost nearly half the territory it took in the first stage of their misadventure. They have lost so many soldiers that Putin is pleading with Russian women to have more children. Russia is recruiting criminals from prisons because they can't get enough soldiers. Ukraine is a useful buffer between the rest of Europe and Russia. Supporting Ukraine militarily is not only sensible but essential.