Ukraine the bad guy?

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Gideon300

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but are you not Judging zelensky to ?

You may think your judging him for the right the reasons but your still judging his motives.

Are you sure your judging him correctly ?.

Because by doing so your favouring more conflict.
I'm judging the situation, not Zelensky. There is an acceptable judgement, otherwise life could not function. I had to make a judgement yesterday that I could not avoid and I hated having to do. I had our dog euthanised. He was nearly 14, internally bleeding and had no hope of surviving.

Basically I am saying that a nation's borders are inviolate. Nations have the right to defend themselves. People are saying that this war should be resolved by negotiation. It takes two reasonably honest parties to negotiate in good faith. I don't know how honest Zelensky is, but I do know what a liar Pution is.

And why was the dispute betwen ethnic Russians and Ukrainians not resolved by negotiation in 2014? Russia was allowed to annex Ukraine's territory then. Europe in effect ignored Russia's violence. The end result of that is the present war. Nobody gave a damn in 2014. They are sure taking notice now. If you do not treat a cancer in early stages, it will spread. It's much harder to deal with later on. The big mistake of the West was to ignore Putin's annexation in 2014. It's much harder dealing with it now. I was born a few years after WW2. London, where I was born, was still to be rebuilt after the blitz. Hitler could have been stopped in his tracks before he began to occupy Europe. 6 million Jews alone would have been thankful for that. Appeasement is folly.

I'll agree that Putin should be allowed to take over Ukraine when America gives back Texas, illegally annexed in 1845. I've said this before, So far, a resounding silence in response.
 

Gideon300

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"A lot of dead Russians" = 5-7X more dead Ukrainians.
But.....the price is not yet right to make it all stop it would seem.

Perhaps Ukrainians value freedom. And Europeans see Ukraine as a wall to stop Russian aggression. If the Franks had not been prepared to resist the Muslim invasion, all of Europe would be Muslim. War is a bitch. No one in their right mind wants war. But there are times when it is the lesser of two evils. How many Ukrainians are posting on this forum? I'd like to know their thoughts.
 

ZNP

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No one in their right mind wants war.
Not very comforting, it is obvious that some very powerful people are not in their right mind.

War is how they are able to siphon off billions of dollars as we send hundreds of billions to Ukraine without any accountability. They won't go fight, their children won't go fight, and they really don't like you and would be very happy with you dying, so if they have a war they make billions and get rid of people they don't like anyway.
 
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Remember this war was forced upon the world. This war didn't have to happen. Putin is 100% responsible for this war. His entire premise for the war is one of pure greed. He imagined he would conquer Ukraine, he imagined he would create a new empire called Novo Rossiya, he imagined that his lies would become the truth. How wrong was the Mad Tsar and all of his evil entourage!
 

Gideon300

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Not very comforting, it is obvious that some very powerful people are not in their right mind.

War is how they are able to siphon off billions of dollars as we send hundreds of billions to Ukraine without any accountability. They won't go fight, their children won't go fight, and they really don't like you and would be very happy with you dying, so if they have a war they make billions and get rid of people they don't like anyway.
The mysterious "they". Can you enlighten me further?
 

ZNP

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The mysterious "they". Can you enlighten me further?
Let's begin with bankers like Rothschild. They love war, countries borrow to the max and will be in debt for the next 70-80 years.

The military industrial complex loves war, this is how they can afford to live in gated communities, send their kids to private school, and be super wealthy.

Then government officials are simply a rubber stamp, the reason they get millions of dollars to pay for their campaigns is because they are a rubber stamp for these guys.

Then the main stream media is in lockstep. You want that super cushy 250k job to 8 million a year (if you are at the top of the heap), then you read whatever they put in front of you to read.
 

iamsoandso

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No, Ukraine are not the bad guys in this war. The one who started this war, Vladimir Putin, is the bad guy.

Putin is an unhappy guy,,,Imagine for a moment that D.Trump had his sights set on becoming the leader of the free world(POTUS) and then in the midst of his rise to power Biden because of the division of thinking in the states of the United States dissolved the union(states became different independent nations) and so at the end of his struggle to achieve this goal became the president of Texas instead. Russia is not enough just the same as Texas is not enough to someone who has their goal set on ruling an united kingdom verses an singular kingdom.
 

iamsoandso

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This is not about being the undisputed king but rather the undisputed king of kings (multiple nations).
 
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Putin is an unhappy guy,,,Imagine for a moment that D.Trump had his sights set on becoming the leader of the free world(POTUS) and then in the midst of his rise to power Biden because of the division of thinking in the states of the United States dissolved the union(states became different independent nations) and so at the end of his struggle to achieve this goal became the president of Texas instead. Russia is not enough just the same as Texas is not enough to someone who has their goal set on ruling an united kingdom verses an singular kingdom.
The King of Muscovy thought he would subjugate Ukraine by the force of lies and violence. Perhaps the God shall repay his mischief in interest and Muscovy will instead lose all the kingdoms they subjugated from Novgorod to Yakutia.
 

iamsoandso

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Let's begin with bankers like Rothschild. They love war, countries borrow to the max and will be in debt for the next 70-80 years.

The military industrial complex loves war, this is how they can afford to live in gated communities, send their kids to private school, and be super wealthy.

Then government officials are simply a rubber stamp, the reason they get millions of dollars to pay for their campaigns is because they are a rubber stamp for these guys.

Then the main stream media is in lockstep. You want that super cushy 250k job to 8 million a year (if you are at the top of the heap), then you read whatever they put in front of you to read.

Yep the MSM is an unnoticed political party where they instead of being elected are in positions of power with far greater power than that of those in an political party that can loose their power in an election.
 

iamsoandso

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The King of Muscovy thought he would subjugate Ukraine by the force of lies and violence. Perhaps the God shall repay his mischief in interest and Muscovy will instead lose all the kingdoms they subjugated from Novgorod to Yakutia.
Mr. Green is the fourth horseman and death is his name,,hell will come after him. The former USSR will descend into revolution's and in the end they will appoint him the ruler of an fourth of the earth(the former USSR)...Putin's dream.
 
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Mr. Green is the fourth horseman and death is his name,,hell will come after him. The former USSR will descend into revolution's and in the end they will appoint him the ruler of an fourth of the earth(the former USSR)...Putin's dream.
The Fourth Horseman of the Apocalypse is a spirit, not a man.

This aside though, yes there may be revolution or civil war in Russia very soon from the latest news, but we will just have to wait and see.
 
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In this case then, I do not believe Zelensky will become the ruler of the former Soviet Union, though that is a funny thought. Despite how Zelensky is a remarkable leader risen up by God, he is nevertheless a President in a republic, a republic that has a trend since 2000 of only electing their leaders to one term. Perhaps Zelensky will break the trend and serve a second term, but even if he does so he will not remain in power forever because Ukraine is a democracy.
 

ZNP

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Yep the MSM is an unnoticed political party where they instead of being elected are in positions of power with far greater power than that of those in an political party that can loose their power in an election.
Nah, they also are subject to elections, they call them "ratings" and this catastrophe with Tucker Carlson shows how quickly they can lose an election. CNN used to be on top, now they are on the bottom.
 

iamsoandso

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In this case then, I do not believe Zelensky will become the ruler of the former Soviet Union, though that is a funny thought. Despite how Zelensky is a remarkable leader risen up by God, he is nevertheless a President in a republic, a republic that has a trend since 2000 of only electing their leaders to one term. Perhaps Zelensky will break the trend and serve a second term, but even if he does so he will not remain in power forever because Ukraine is a democracy.

"and the beast of the earth(NATO/kingdoms) https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/6-8.htm
 

iamsoandso

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Nah, they also are subject to elections, they call them "ratings" and this catastrophe with Tucker Carlson shows how quickly they can lose an election. CNN used to be on top, now they are on the bottom.
Hollywood doesn't make 787.5 million dollar movies FOX does...