Ukraine the bad guy?

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iamsoandso

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NATO is not the beast. It is unlikely that NATO will even exist when these things written in Revelation come to pass.

Your thinking the beast but every beast in Daniel represented an kingdom. The Scripture I gave said "and by the beast(s) of the earth" in plural not singular...
 
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Your thinking the beast but every beast in Daniel represented an kingdom. The Scripture I gave said "and by the beast(s) of the earth" in plural not singular...
I am familiar with Daniel and the Beast. NATO is not so. Three Beasts have come and gone, the fourth remains as the only one that has not appeared yet as it will appear near the end of time being the final kingdom. The final Beast doesn't arise at the beginning of Revelation, but about midway through it. There will be other unmistakeable signs that occur before the Beast and therefore one will know whether it is around the corner or not.
 

iamsoandso

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I am familiar with Daniel and the Beast. NATO is not so. Three Beasts have come and gone, the fourth remains as the only one that has not appeared yet as it will appear near the end of time being the final kingdom. The final Beast doesn't arise at the beginning of Revelation, but about midway through it. There will be other unmistakeable signs that occur before the Beast and therefore one will know whether it is around the corner or not.

The fourth beast(Rome) divided into the two legs(eastern and western roman empires),,,in the eastern empire the white horse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_movement and the red horse warred https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army and the black hundreds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hundreds all came from the eastern leg of the mans image. Zelensky is the pale(green) horse. The beasts(plural) of the earth(west/NATO) help Mr. Green(of the east)... "the east against the west" like you keep hearing in the news...
 
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The fourth beast(Rome) divided into the two legs(eastern and western roman empires),,,in the eastern empire the white horse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_movement and the red horse warred https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army and the black hundreds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hundreds all came from the eastern leg of the mans image. Zelensky is the pale(green) horse. The beasts(plural) of the earth(west/NATO) help Mr. Green(of the east)... "the east against the west" like you keep hearing in the news...
Rome is not the fourth Beast, but a continuation of the third Beast. The fourth Beast does not even occur until near the end of time when it is established by the Man of Sin.
 

iamsoandso

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Rome is not the fourth Beast, but a continuation of the third Beast. The fourth Beast does not even occur until near the end of time when it is established by the Man of Sin.

lol, it's unfolding in front of their faces and they cannot see it because it clashes with their camp opinions...
 
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The fourth beast(Rome) divided into the two legs(eastern and western roman empires),,,in the eastern empire the white horse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_movement and the red horse warred https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army and the black hundreds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hundreds all came from the eastern leg of the mans image. Zelensky is the pale(green) horse. The beasts(plural) of the earth(west/NATO) help Mr. Green(of the east)... "the east against the west" like you keep hearing in the news...
To add here, it is notable indeed the West/East paradigm, this is a feature of the third Beast in the book of Daniel. The feature of the formation of the fourth Beast empire is that the geopolitical axis shifts from West vs East to North vs South in the book of Daniel.
 

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I would suggest looking forward to that fifth seal when those fellow servants are killed as those dressed in white robes...
 
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I would suggest looking forward to that fifth seal when those fellow servants are killed as those dressed in white robes...
Well that will occur in heaven that the Altar of Souls gets opened, so anyone on the Earth will not know that it is occuring. I suggest looking towards the Sixth Seal as the outcome of this seal breaking will unmistakeably alter the Earth and it cannot be missed nor misinterpretted.
 

Fundaamental

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I'm judging the situation, not Zelensky. There is an acceptable judgement, otherwise life could not function. I had to make a judgement yesterday that I could not avoid and I hated having to do. I had our dog euthanised. He was nearly 14, internally bleeding and had no hope of surviving.

Basically I am saying that a nation's borders are inviolate. Nations have the right to defend themselves. People are saying that this war should be resolved by negotiation. It takes two reasonably honest parties to negotiate in good faith. I don't know how honest Zelensky is, but I do know what a liar Pution is.

And why was the dispute betwen ethnic Russians and Ukrainians not resolved by negotiation in 2014? Russia was allowed to annex Ukraine's territory then. Europe in effect ignored Russia's violence. The end result of that is the present war. Nobody gave a damn in 2014. They are sure taking notice now. If you do not treat a cancer in early stages, it will spread. It's much harder to deal with later on. The big mistake of the West was to ignore Putin's annexation in 2014. It's much harder dealing with it now. I was born a few years after WW2. London, where I was born, was still to be rebuilt after the blitz. Hitler could have been stopped in his tracks before he began to occupy Europe. 6 million Jews alone would have been thankful for that. Appeasement is folly.

I'll agree that Putin should be allowed to take over Ukraine when America gives back Texas, illegally annexed in 1845. I've said this before, So far, a resounding silence in response.
sorry for your loss friend. You'll have to get a new dog soon to help you with your loss, it's the only way.


I believe Hitler was a labatory experiment myself. A long with all the leaders.

They all seem to have social behaviour problems.
 

Gideon300

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sorry for your loss friend. You'll have to get a new dog soon to help you with your loss, it's the only way.


I believe Hitler was a labatory experiment myself. A long with all the leaders.

They all seem to have social behaviour problems.
We won't get a new dog. We will be moving eventually and we can't have a dog where we are going. It's fine. We knew this day would come and we are prepared for it.

Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Kim and virtually all dictators are/were choleric by temperament. You don't need a lab to produce that. It's simply human nature.
 

Fundaamental

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We won't get a new dog. We will be moving eventually and we can't have a dog where we are going. It's fine. We knew this day would come and we are prepared for it.

Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Kim and virtually all dictators are/were choleric by temperament. You don't need a lab to produce that. It's simply human nature.
you'll be surprised they where using the Jews as experiments doping them with a controlled substance to control there minds I can't remember what it was called.
But you have to wonder how such a small country nearly conquered the world.

I wouldnt be surprised if some of there soldiers where people they captured and controlled from other countries with labatory experiments.

Funny how there german scientists where stolen by countries who now run the world don't you think ?
 

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you'll be surprised they where using the Jews as experiments doping them with a controlled substance to control there minds I can't remember what it was called.
But you have to wonder how such a small country nearly conquered the world.

I wouldnt be surprised if some of there soldiers where people they captured and controlled from other countries with labatory experiments.

Funny how there german scientists where stolen by countries who now run the world don't you think ?
here in america, it was done under the code name " operation paperclip".
 

Gideon300

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you'll be surprised they where using the Jews as experiments doping them with a controlled substance to control there minds I can't remember what it was called.
But you have to wonder how such a small country nearly conquered the world.

I wouldnt be surprised if some of there soldiers where people they captured and controlled from other countries with labatory experiments.

Funny how there german scientists where stolen by countries who now run the world don't you think ?
Germany is not that small, their people are highly intelligent, hard working and inventive. It's not suprising to me that German scientists were in such high demand. They were brilliant, as were the British and Polish. It's a tragedy that the British establishment was stuck in the era of calvary charges and chivalry. Britain potentially had the jet many years before Germany. It could have been flying before the start of WW2. I doubt Hitler would have started WW2 if the Luftwaffe was facing jet fighters.

I'm English and the war was over just 6 years before I was born. London was still being rebuilt. I have German blood in my mother's side of the family. I like the Germans. They were deceived by Hitler, just as this present world is being deceived by the Antichrist. We do not see the individual; we do see the spirit of antichrist at work right now.
 

Fundaamental

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Germany is not that small, their people are highly intelligent, hard working and inventive. It's not suprising to me that German scientists were in such high demand. They were brilliant, as were the British and Polish. It's a tragedy that the British establishment was stuck in the era of calvary charges and chivalry. Britain potentially had the jet many years before Germany. It could have been flying before the start of WW2. I doubt Hitler would have started WW2 if the Luftwaffe was facing jet fighters.

I'm English and the war was over just 6 years before I was born. London was still being rebuilt. I have German blood in my mother's side of the family. I like the Germans. They were deceived by Hitler, just as this present world is being deceived by the Antichrist. We do not see the individual; we do see the spirit of antichrist at work right now.
Yes but there was more to it I believe,

The scientist who where kept in a secret labatory by America to create the first nuclear bomb where once working for Hitler.

The yanks in my belief stole them scientists and kept them hostage in that secret labatory.

They then went on to create the first nuclear bomb, which America then them selfs became a dictatorship and dropped one on the poor people of Hiroshima.

But wait was the scientist being captured really an act of sabotage on the Nazis part.

Meaning they let them be captured to infiltrate America.

Did the scientist dope the current president of America up ?.

I believe Hitler suffered the same treatment at the hand of nazi scientists, just like the Jews and all the soldiers

Theres a common pattern right throughout war for the last 120 years of controlling people through labatory experiments

Including soldiers who carry all kinds of drugs in there kit bags.
 

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Yes but there was more to it I believe,

The scientist who where kept in a secret labatory by America to create the first nuclear bomb where once working for Hitler.

The yanks in my belief stole them scientists and kept them hostage in that secret labatory.

They then went on to create the first nuclear bomb, which America then them selfs became a dictatorship and dropped one on the poor people of Hiroshima.

But wait was the scientist being captured really an act of sabotage on the Nazis part.

Meaning they let them be captured to infiltrate America.

Did the scientist dope the current president of America up ?.

I believe Hitler suffered the same treatment at the hand of nazi scientists, just like the Jews and all the soldiers

Theres a common pattern right throughout war for the last 120 years of controlling people through labatory experiments

Including soldiers who carry all kinds of drugs in there kit bags.
Read Genesis and Jacob's blessings to his children. The blessing to Joseph is the blessing to scientists.

22 Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:

23 The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him:

24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel)

25 Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:

26 The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.

Manasseh was the elder son, those were the German scientists. However, the younger son will be greater, Ephraim in my opinion represents the US.

19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.

20 And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh

Many people miss the fact that it was due to a scientific breakthrough that Jacob got his great blessing -- he figured out how to breed various traits into the flocks.