Ukraine the bad guy?

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JohnDB

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so this may not be linked to this discussion.

but why is there so much war when Russia and USA have the ability to prevent it
Because of the escalating tensions in Ukraine and Russia and several elements inside of NATO.

Things are getting much more tense again....and as usual it is Russia's doing.
 

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Because of the escalating tensions in Ukraine and Russia and several elements inside of NATO.

Things are getting much more tense again....and as usual it is Russia's doing.
Except for the human trafficking and the child pornography rings?
Because that would be Ukraines gig. That along with illegal bio labs.
Both of which likely helped precipitate the SMO.
 

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Because of the escalating tensions in Ukraine and Russia and several elements inside of NATO.

Things are getting much more tense again....and as usual it is Russia's doing.
The scariest part of being that Grandpa Sniffer can barely stay cognitively lucid during daylight hours, while Putins interviews sound like they are spoken by a high ranking MENSA member with a PhD in Political science.

Not to mention that the White House is now the most notorious crack house in DC.
 

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Because of the escalating tensions in Ukraine and Russia and several elements inside of NATO.

Things are getting much more tense again....and as usual it is Russia's doing.
The question is why is it the most powerful nations in the world who have nukes are the ones who go to war the most.

Nukes where supposed to prevent war when they where first introduced.
 

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The question is why is it the most powerful nations in the world who have nukes are the ones who go to war the most.

Nukes where supposed to prevent war when they where first introduced.
Because the shortest distance between two points is not a straight line when dealing with people.
 

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Because the shortest distance between two points is not a straight line when dealing with people.
correct.

that is why the ukraine-russia situation is not as black and white as you make it out to be...
 

JohnDB

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correct.

that is why the ukraine-russia situation is not as black and white as you make it out to be...
No...but we cannot allow Russia to invade and take Ukraine's resources. They have done it to Chechnya, Belarus, Georgia, Albania, and others. Also much of the steam will be let out of Iran's engine too.
 

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No...but we cannot allow Russia to invade and take Ukraine's resources.
"We cannot"? Sounds suspiciously jingoistic.
How about "you cannot".

And another thought: when was the last time the notion of peace crossed your mind?

And one last statistic your approbation: the AFU has maybe 30K troops remaining. Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men have fled. The counteroffensive has been a pitiful failure. The AFU is running out of munitions and armor. Russian ISR is excellent and is turning this war into a turkey shoot.

Ukraine has lost this war. It is high time that peace negotiations commence immediately
 

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"We cannot"? Sounds suspiciously jingoistic.
How about "you cannot".
I thought it sounded arrogant, if this is God's will who are you to stop it?

We are told to pray for peace in the Bible, so praying for peace is always going to be within God's will.

As for "we must kill Russians" that sounds like something a hypnotized person in a cheesy sci fi movie would say.
 

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Because the shortest distance between two points is not a straight line when dealing with people.
I don't quite understand the point your making.

I assume you mean the USA has to fight wars to keep order.

My problem is the USA has gone to war for the same reason the Russians are claiming.

With all the power that theese leaders have why is it there at war with each other.

Russia and the USA was all about putting an end to nazi warfare and granted the right or the took the rights to be in charge of nukes.

No one challenged it at the time because they both helped defeat Nazi Germany.

But yet since the Nazi Germany war, there has between a cold war between the USA and Russia. Who if they worked together could make peace deal between east and west
 

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I don't quite understand the point your making.

I assume you mean the USA has to fight wars to keep order.

My problem is the USA has gone to war for the same reason the Russians are claiming.

With all the power that theese leaders have why is it there at war with each other.

Russia and the USA was all about putting an end to nazi warfare and granted the right or the took the rights to be in charge of nukes.

No one challenged it at the time because they both helped defeat Nazi Germany.

But yet since the Nazi Germany war, there has between a cold war between the USA and Russia. Who if they worked together could make peace deal between east and west

Nazis are Russian propaganda to begin with. The nazi idolizers exist because of free speech in Ukraine....there are some in Russia but much more underground because the idiots in both countries exist. They aren't exactly promoted on a state level....these people are idiots....always have been.

Ukraine itself is viewed by Russians kinda like the USA views Mexico or how Brazil views Bolivia.

Your claim of the USA going to war for the same reasons is also bogus. Because first off the reasons America used weren't exactly secret....just the opposite...the WHOLE WORLD knew that the offending country was guilty of the reasons America attacked and the USA did not steal every resource and valuable while occupying the nation for decades....(like Russia does which CAUSED the cold war)

However Russian claims have yet to be proven truthful by anyone. The Ukranians have proven every single Russian claim to be false...and even stated to be false by every authority in Russia except Putin.

So....
Russia is falling deeper and deeper into the trap of Ukraine. The goal is Russian destruction. And it's coming at the expense of Ukraine.

Ukraine might not win but Russia is definitely going to lose more.
 

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Ukraine counteroffensive was a slaughterhouse, 3x the dead they saw a few months ago.


**BREAKING** THIS IS HORRIFIC. EXPERT SPEAKS OUT

This is actually good news for some of our more hawkish members. I know that some of you expressed concern that you were too old or feeble to be accepted into the Ukraine army, but now their standards are not so high. Even if you need a wheelchair, they say people in wheelchairs are more effective at clearing a mine field.
 

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Ukraine counteroffensive was a slaughterhouse, 3x the dead they saw a few months ago.


**BREAKING** THIS IS HORRIFIC. EXPERT SPEAKS OUT

This is actually good news for some of our more hawkish members. I know that some of you expressed concern that you were too old or feeble to be accepted into the Ukraine army, but now their standards are not so high. Even if you need a wheelchair, they say people in wheelchairs are more effective at clearing a mine field.
Something like 20K dead, and maybe 30K remaining for this counter-offensive.
Even armchair warlord @JohnDB is getting goosebumps at this point.

Now there are lot of grieving widows and miserable paraplegics where there were none before.
These will live out the remainder of their lives in loss, pain and squalor.

As for Z? Mansions and flake until the bitter judgement.
 

ZNP

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Something like 20K dead, and maybe 30K remaining for this counter-offensive.
Even armchair warlord @JohnDB is getting goosebumps at this point.

Now there are lot of grieving widows and miserable paraplegics where there were none before.
These will live out the remainder of their lives in loss, pain and squalor.

As for Z? Mansions and flake until the bitter judgement.
I think JohnDB was sad that he was too old to join the Ukraine army, so this story might encourage him, they will take him now.