Why do Christians support Trump?

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Ahwatukee

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I just can not see any way to support him. Ok, so we are all sinners and of course he has sinned plenty. I do not see him repenting of anything. He condoned the the brutal murder of Jamal Khashoggi. He has numerous close ties to organized crime, e admitted in recently released audio that he knew Covid 19 was dangerous and airborne. He admitted to lying and said he did not want to cause panic. But he is constantly trying to cause panic by exaggerating threats from migrants and exaggerating Democrats as being radical, instilling unnecessary fear. Besides, if he spoke to the public the way he spoke to Woodward, it would have saved many lives and possibly alleviated the economic crisis. I see him being anti-Christian in everything he does as says. Michael Cohen's book quotes him saying about Christians faith, "Can you believe that bulls...?" From my pint of view he hates God, hates Christians, hates America and humanity. I hope no Christian will vote for him this go around.
You, my friend, need to wake up! Those are radical Democrats and they want to completely redo America. They do not want to represent the American people, but want to rule over us. Though they mention the constitution, they have demonstrated over and over that they do not really care about it.

Those radical lefts are just using Biden to get their foot in the door. He's their puppet!

Biden wants to tear down the wall and just left everyone in. What do you think that will do to the percentages of murder, rape, theft, gun and drug running?

He wants to do away with the tax cuts that Trump put into place. Trump brought back many manufacturing jobs to the US. Biden wants to outsource our manufacturing jobs. They are responsible for exaggerating the Covid-19 virus for fear and control. They are responsible for the anarchy in those democratic cities. They are responsible for the shut-down of business of which many have gone under the loss of many jobs. Biden said it himself that he would close down the country again. They want to redo America, but as a socialist (communist) country. They want to control the American people, not represent us.

All one has to do is look at Trump's accomplishments for America. He is for the people and by the people, which is why those far-left Democrats hate him and want him out of office. He is for upholding the Constitution and keeping our rights to bear and keep arms, freedom of religion, freedom speech, etc. Trump has been nominated for at least 3 Nobel peace prizes.

I see him being anti-Christian in everything he does as says. Michael Cohen's book quotes him saying about Christians faith, "Can you believe that bulls...?"
By the way, Trump is the only American president to not sign the waiver recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. He, Mike Pence and his staff, all support Israel, which is a good thing, because God said, "those who bless you I will bless and those who curse you I will curse. It is the far-left Democrats who when reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, removed the words "one nation under God."

You had better do some fact checking, because your claims about Trump are unfounded.
 

Ahwatukee

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#42
I am not pro abortion and I still plan on voting a straight democratic ticket.
Why don't you first go over and live in China and see if you like it first, then make your decision, because that is basically what they want to turn America into. The far-left Democrats think of themselves as elitists. And you can bet, after they turned America into a socialist country, they themselves would be living a capitalist life style.
 
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Trump is clearly a narcissist among other things. Supporting him I think would be unethical on many levels.
We are electing a president. When I need a plumber I really just want someone who will do the best job for the money. I'm not as much concerned about said plumbers personal issues. I just want the leak fixed.
 

true_believer

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#46
going to a church service does not prove anything.

i mean, a person can go to a church service and go get into their car, and stream porn.


did going into a building make that o.k. ??
Actions speak louder than words.
If someone claims that they are health conscious and smokes and eats fast food. Most would doubt their claim with.
If an individual exercises and eats healthy, it's obvious that their health is important without declaring it.
 

mustaphadrink

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Dec 13, 2013
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Trump and republican party elite are ungodly conmen. That is how I see it. I see the Democratic party as following Christian values at a much higher frequency. I am sorry to say most of you all have been fooled. Trump is a mafia man(literally) who is doing what he can to destroy and cause harm to America. He does not love or care for America, quite the opposite. I could never in good conscious pull the lever for any Republican at this point in time. Everything is illusion and we all know who the father of illusion is. I maintain that a compassionate government where we, through our good fortune, are able, and, therefore should, support specifically: The poor, the immigrant, the disadvantaged, the unfortunate. True wealth is accomplished through generousity. the US has a chance to make the world better. Our main goals should be to eradicate homelessness, poverty, disease and hunger. And since the abundance of God is limitless, we can actually accomplish these things without losing our quality of life.

What the Republican party has done since 1980, through the scam called trickle down economics, redistributed the wealth from the poor, the middle class, and even the upper middle class towards the ultra rich billionaires. Your opinions that make you think that Republicans are the more Christian party are bought and paid for by these people whom should not be trusted.

When you say abortion should be illegal but then at the same time you want to cut social welfare, cut safety regulation, cut environmental regulation, cut taxes on the wealthiest 1%, deny people the right of education, health care and equal protection under the law, when you do those things you look cruel and inhumane and hypocritical and you actually push people away from God and make abortion more acceptable. Studies have shown that socio-economic condition are what influence abortion.

Once you support children after they are born, make sure they have good food, a good education, a safe environment, that is when you will see people move toward God and away from abortion and that is also when your arguments will hold more water when you want to limit or make it illegal. All I see republican platform doing is moving people towards crime, abortion and other ungodliness.
You seemed to have yourself at cross wires regarding the Republican and Democratic Parties so let me try and unravel things a bit for you.

One. The scripture says that you will ALWAYS have the poor with you. Therefore neither the democratic nor the Republicans will solve that problem.

Two. Whether you have little money or much is irrelevant if you are dead. Under the Democrats, you are more likely to be dead than under the Republicans as the Demoncrats want to open the floodgates to abortion whereas the Republicans want to close the doors.

Three. One of the main benefactors of the Democratic party is a billionaire. Did he get that way because of Republican policies?

Four. What is Christian in wanting as many babies as possible to be slaughtered in the womb?

Five. Trump is wanting to destroy America. Oh, yea? So all the good he has done, making the economy stronger; putting people into work; Defending the Christian faith; defunding Planned Parenthood, etc is destroying America.

Six. The Democrats have more Christian values like supporting Black Lives Matter which is a front for a group of communists to overthrow the democratically elected government and replace it with Marxism. Very Christian I am sure.

Seven. True wealth is accomplished by generosity. Perhaps that is why America is so wealthy because it is one of the three biggest donors to the poor and unhealthy around the world.

Eight. Research shows that conservative people, which include Christian, are bigger donors to charities than liberal lefties which inhabit the Democratic Party.

Nine. Poor people are better off when rich people get richer because by and large, they are the ones that provide the jobs for the less well off.

Ten. The main reason for abortion is selfishness and money. Most abortions are carried out on women who selfishly get pregnant and want the baby killed because it is inconvenient. When people could not afford an abortion more babies lived. With women having a good income in comparison today, they can just pop into the killing fields and get the deed done. No worries. It is sad that few are told that they could still be suffering the after-effects in 20 years' time. And when I was a kid we lived in poverty as did many of our neighbours but not one of them had their baby killed.
 

gb9

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#50
You seemed to have yourself at cross wires regarding the Republican and Democratic Parties so let me try and unravel things a bit for you.

One. The scripture says that you will ALWAYS have the poor with you. Therefore neither the democratic nor the Republicans will solve that problem.

Two. Whether you have little money or much is irrelevant if you are dead. Under the Democrats, you are more likely to be dead than under the Republicans as the Demoncrats want to open the floodgates to abortion whereas the Republicans want to close the doors.

Three. One of the main benefactors of the Democratic party is a billionaire. Did he get that way because of Republican policies?

Four. What is Christian in wanting as many babies as possible to be slaughtered in the womb?

Five. Trump is wanting to destroy America. Oh, yea? So all the good he has done, making the economy stronger; putting people into work; Defending the Christian faith; defunding Planned Parenthood, etc is destroying America.

Six. The Democrats have more Christian values like supporting Black Lives Matter which is a front for a group of communists to overthrow the democratically elected government and replace it with Marxism. Very Christian I am sure.

Seven. True wealth is accomplished by generosity. Perhaps that is why America is so wealthy because it is one of the three biggest donors to the poor and unhealthy around the world.

Eight. Research shows that conservative people, which include Christian, are bigger donors to charities than liberal lefties which inhabit the Democratic Party.

Nine. Poor people are better off when rich people get richer because by and large, they are the ones that provide the jobs for the less well off.

Ten. The main reason for abortion is selfishness and money. Most abortions are carried out on women who selfishly get pregnant and want the baby killed because it is inconvenient. When people could not afford an abortion more babies lived. With women having a good income in comparison today, they can just pop into the killing fields and get the deed done. No worries. It is sad that few are told that they could still be suffering the after-effects in 20 years' time. And when I was a kid we lived in poverty as did many of our neighbours but not one of them had their baby killed.

and, to add to this, b l m donations, a large percentage of them, go to the democrat national committee .

the dems were way behind in fund raising until the george floyd incident sparked massive support for the b l m slush fund.
 

ChoirLoft

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I just can not see any way to support him. Ok, so we are all sinners and of course he has sinned plenty. I do not see him repenting of anything. He condoned the the brutal murder of Jamal Khashoggi. He has numerous close ties to organized crime, e admitted in recently released audio that he knew Covid 19 was dangerous and airborne. He admitted to lying and said he did not want to cause panic. But he is constantly trying to cause panic by exaggerating threats from migrants and exaggerating Democrats as being radical, instilling unnecessary fear. Besides, if he spoke to the public the way he spoke to Woodward, it would have saved many lives and possibly alleviated the economic crisis. I see him being anti-Christian in everything he does as says. Michael Cohen's book quotes him saying about Christians faith, "Can you believe that bulls...?" From my pint of view he hates God, hates Christians, hates America and humanity. I hope no Christian will vote for him this go around.
We are victims of political and media manipulation.

We think what we are expected to think and we act according to how we are expected to act. Few of these actions or thoughts include God in any way.

DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ARE TWO HEADS OF THE SAME SNAKE.

The basic policies of the United States Federal government haven't changed in over forty years. It makes NO DIFFERENCE who sits at the Resolute desk - democrat or republican, man or woman, white or black. It's all the same with regard to basic government policy. No important change has happened and no important change is likely to take place. America is committed to a future of leadership that is not concerned with the best interests of our citizens. Vote Democrat or Republican - it makes no difference.

I refer here to endless war abroad. Nobody even raises an objection to the pointless expenditure of blood and fortune on the part of the American people. This policy hasn't changed in decades. Not likely to, either.

I refer here to deepening debt. Nobody even mentions a workable plan to resolve the issue any more. The result of constant government overspending is INFLATION, a word rarely used any more by any portion of the media or any politician. We see its effects at the grocery store. Ten bucks for a pound of hamburger isn't a joke. Neither is the high price of a gallon of milk for our kids. Nobody in government wants to reduce spending. In fact, we are treated to more of it. This policy hasn't changed in decades. Not likely to, either.

I refer here to the lack of FREE health care in the United States, which is enjoyed by every industrial nation on the planet except America. Why? Because the insurance lobby and the AMA pressure congress to forbid anything approaching a healthcare system that would leave them out of the loop or reduce the amount of political pressure they could bring to bear AGAINST the best interests of the American people. Those that need free healthcare the most (the people who are actually paying for it now) are the ones who've been persuaded by our political parties that some sort of socialist state would be a bad thing. Ask yourself if it would be bad the next time you go to the ER or when your child gets hurt or when you or a relative gets some really bad news from the doctor.

I refer here to accusations of encroaching Communism. Ignorance of basic financial systems is the fuel that ignites such conversations. In a Communist state the government OWNS all means of production. That means large urban factories as well as cottage industries. You couldn't make or sell bird houses without government oversight in a Communist system. On the opposite side of the political spectrum is the fascist state (better defined as Corporatism). In a fascist state, the government is subservient to the desires and pressures of large privately owned businesses. That means if failing banks want a government subsidy to continue their corrupt actions they'll get it - and nobody in management will go to jail for fraud. In a fascist state the government promotes endless war or constant preparations for war or both. Does any of this sound familiar? It should. In other words, the United States doesn't have a snowballs chance of becoming Communist.

I refer here to talk about God mixed with politics being simple propagandistic rhetoric. It has nothing at all to do with praise of the Almighty or dedication to living a life spotless before Him. It has everything to do with political manipulation of the masses. "God bless America" is a slogan that perverts the Name of God and pollutes the air into which it is spoken. It's meaning is empty because American has turned its back upon God - almost totally. Fifty-five million babies have been murdered by their mothers in overt contradiction to the LAW of God, which tells us NOT to murder. Yet everyone expects God to wink at this crime against humanity and continue to bless a godless nation and a murderous people. Bad news, folks. He won't.

In 1930's Germany a Nazi propaganda poster pictured Adolph Hitler standing before a cathedral. The subscript of the poster read, "Gott Mitt Uns". Translated it means roughly "God is with us." Sound familiar? It should. It was the propaganda banner of a nation that dared to usurp God's good Name to justify invasion murder thievery and torture - all of which the United States is guilty of. Yet good Christians deliberately ignore crimes committed in their name and falsely assume God will bless us anyway. WRONG.

It is time to repent of our SINs and wickedness. The nation is lost and the possibility of turning back is forever gone. Divine providence is opposed to us now. The wise thing to do is to make peace with God, who alone can see us through the dark days ahead.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

PS

I am a registered and paying member of the Libertarian party. I have no illusions about the value of my vote. Neither should the reader of these words.
 

rastai

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#54
You seemed to have yourself at cross wires regarding the Republican and Democratic Parties so let me try and unravel things a bit for you.

One. The scripture says that you will ALWAYS have the poor with you. Therefore neither the democratic nor the Republicans will solve that problem.

Two. Whether you have little money or much is irrelevant if you are dead. Under the Democrats, you are more likely to be dead than under the Republicans as the Demoncrats want to open the floodgates to abortion whereas the Republicans want to close the doors.

Three. One of the main benefactors of the Democratic party is a billionaire. Did he get that way because of Republican policies?

Four. What is Christian in wanting as many babies as possible to be slaughtered in the womb?

Five. Trump is wanting to destroy America. Oh, yea? So all the good he has done, making the economy stronger; putting people into work; Defending the Christian faith; defunding Planned Parenthood, etc is destroying America.

Six. The Democrats have more Christian values like supporting Black Lives Matter which is a front for a group of communists to overthrow the democratically elected government and replace it with Marxism. Very Christian I am sure.

Seven. True wealth is accomplished by generosity. Perhaps that is why America is so wealthy because it is one of the three biggest donors to the poor and unhealthy around the world.

Eight. Research shows that conservative people, which include Christian, are bigger donors to charities than liberal lefties which inhabit the Democratic Party.

Nine. Poor people are better off when rich people get richer because by and large, they are the ones that provide the jobs for the less well off.

Ten. The main reason for abortion is selfishness and money. Most abortions are carried out on women who selfishly get pregnant and want the baby killed because it is inconvenient. When people could not afford an abortion more babies lived. With women having a good income in comparison today, they can just pop into the killing fields and get the deed done. No worries. It is sad that few are told that they could still be suffering the after-effects in 20 years' time. And when I was a kid we lived in poverty as did many of our neighbours but not one of them had their baby killed.
1. We will always have the poor does not mean that we need to have people with billions of dollars and others with nothing. Poor and rich are relative to eachother. We could have a society where the poorest in society do not have luxuries but still have basic needs such as food, clothes, housing and a means to a better life if they apply themselves.

2. Republican policies make you more likely to be dead from disease, poverty, and violence.

3. Yes(mostly)

4. I support democrats and I want a world with little or no abortion so not sure what you mean.

5. Literally nothing you said is remotely true other then that he defunded planned parenthood.

6. Crazy unfounded conspiracy theory. Vast majority of BLM supporters want nothing to do with communism.

7. Does not mean greed don't exist.

8. ok

9. If they are getting richer, then they can afford to pay a higher minimum wage for those jobs.

10. Studies show that abortion has more to do with socioeconomic factors then anything else.
 
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10. Studies show that abortion has more to do with socioeconomic factors then anything else.
That means it
should be lawful to end the lives of unborn children?
 

rastai

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Aug 15, 2020
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#56
We are victims of political and media manipulation.

We think what we are expected to think and we act according to how we are expected to act. Few of these actions or thoughts include God in any way.

DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ARE TWO HEADS OF THE SAME SNAKE.

The basic policies of the United States Federal government haven't changed in over forty years. It makes NO DIFFERENCE who sits at the Resolute desk - democrat or republican, man or woman, white or black. It's all the same with regard to basic government policy. No important change has happened and no important change is likely to take place. America is committed to a future of leadership that is not concerned with the best interests of our citizens. Vote Democrat or Republican - it makes no difference.

I refer here to endless war abroad. Nobody even raises an objection to the pointless expenditure of blood and fortune on the part of the American people. This policy hasn't changed in decades. Not likely to, either.

I refer here to deepening debt. Nobody even mentions a workable plan to resolve the issue any more. The result of constant government overspending is INFLATION, a word rarely used any more by any portion of the media or any politician. We see its effects at the grocery store. Ten bucks for a pound of hamburger isn't a joke. Neither is the high price of a gallon of milk for our kids. Nobody in government wants to reduce spending. In fact, we are treated to more of it. This policy hasn't changed in decades. Not likely to, either.

I refer here to the lack of FREE health care in the United States, which is enjoyed by every industrial nation on the planet except America. Why? Because the insurance lobby and the AMA pressure congress to forbid anything approaching a healthcare system that would leave them out of the loop or reduce the amount of political pressure they could bring to bear AGAINST the best interests of the American people. Those that need free healthcare the most (the people who are actually paying for it now) are the ones who've been persuaded by our political parties that some sort of socialist state would be a bad thing. Ask yourself if it would be bad the next time you go to the ER or when your child gets hurt or when you or a relative gets some really bad news from the doctor.

I refer here to accusations of encroaching Communism. Ignorance of basic financial systems is the fuel that ignites such conversations. In a Communist state the government OWNS all means of production. That means large urban factories as well as cottage industries. You couldn't make or sell bird houses without government oversight in a Communist system. On the opposite side of the political spectrum is the fascist state (better defined as Corporatism). In a fascist state, the government is subservient to the desires and pressures of large privately owned businesses. That means if failing banks want a government subsidy to continue their corrupt actions they'll get it - and nobody in management will go to jail for fraud. In a fascist state the government promotes endless war or constant preparations for war or both. Does any of this sound familiar? It should. In other words, the United States doesn't have a snowballs chance of becoming Communist.

I refer here to talk about God mixed with politics being simple propagandistic rhetoric. It has nothing at all to do with praise of the Almighty or dedication to living a life spotless before Him. It has everything to do with political manipulation of the masses. "God bless America" is a slogan that perverts the Name of God and pollutes the air into which it is spoken. It's meaning is empty because American has turned its back upon God - almost totally. Fifty-five million babies have been murdered by their mothers in overt contradiction to the LAW of God, which tells us NOT to murder. Yet everyone expects God to wink at this crime against humanity and continue to bless a godless nation and a murderous people. Bad news, folks. He won't.

In 1930's Germany a Nazi propaganda poster pictured Adolph Hitler standing before a cathedral. The subscript of the poster read, "Gott Mitt Uns". Translated it means roughly "God is with us." Sound familiar? It should. It was the propaganda banner of a nation that dared to usurp God's good Name to justify invasion murder thievery and torture - all of which the United States is guilty of. Yet good Christians deliberately ignore crimes committed in their name and falsely assume God will bless us anyway. WRONG.

It is time to repent of our SINs and wickedness. The nation is lost and the possibility of turning back is forever gone. Divine providence is opposed to us now. The wise thing to do is to make peace with God, who alone can see us through the dark days ahead.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

PS

I am a registered and paying member of the Libertarian party. I have no illusions about the value of my vote. Neither should the reader of these words.
That means it
should be lawful to end the lives of unborn children?
I dont know if it should be legislated. it is a complicated issue. I could be swayed to illegalize it but first you have to address the fact that republicans do not care about children after they are born. If you really want to stop it and make it illegal, then you have to start with supporting children and families. That means universal healthcare, guaranteed food security, guaranteed housing. Right now the majority of Americans believe abortion should be legal. Only way that will ever change is if you stop the gross inequality that exists. Republicans will never change until they get the money out. The right wing billionaires don't care about abortion. They can just fly to Mexico or Canada to get one if need be. They are funding the republican party because of money, specifically the money out of poor and middle classes and into their own pocket. If you really want to end abortion then you have to start with improving the lives of born children. Until that happens you are fighting a losing battle.
 

mustaphadrink

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Dec 13, 2013
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#57
We are victims of political and media manipulation.

We think what we are expected to think and we act according to how we are expected to act. Few of these actions or thoughts include God in any way.

DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ARE TWO HEADS OF THE SAME SNAKE.

The basic policies of the United States Federal government haven't changed in over forty years. It makes NO DIFFERENCE who sits at the Resolute desk - democrat or republican, man or woman, white or black. It's all the same with regard to basic government policy. No important change has happened and no important change is likely to take place. America is committed to a future of leadership that is not concerned with the best interests of our citizens. Vote Democrat or Republican - it makes no difference.

I refer here to endless war abroad. Nobody even raises an objection to the pointless expenditure of blood and fortune on the part of the American people. This policy hasn't changed in decades. Not likely to, either.

I refer here to deepening debt. Nobody even mentions a workable plan to resolve the issue any more. The result of constant government overspending is INFLATION, a word rarely used any more by any portion of the media or any politician. We see its effects at the grocery store. Ten bucks for a pound of hamburger isn't a joke. Neither is the high price of a gallon of milk for our kids. Nobody in government wants to reduce spending. In fact, we are treated to more of it. This policy hasn't changed in decades. Not likely to, either.

I refer here to the lack of FREE health care in the United States, which is enjoyed by every industrial nation on the planet except America. Why? Because the insurance lobby and the AMA pressure congress to forbid anything approaching a healthcare system that would leave them out of the loop or reduce the amount of political pressure they could bring to bear AGAINST the best interests of the American people. Those that need free healthcare the most (the people who are actually paying for it now) are the ones who've been persuaded by our political parties that some sort of socialist state would be a bad thing. Ask yourself if it would be bad the next time you go to the ER or when your child gets hurt or when you or a relative gets some really bad news from the doctor.

I refer here to accusations of encroaching Communism. Ignorance of basic financial systems is the fuel that ignites such conversations. In a Communist state the government OWNS all means of production. That means large urban factories as well as cottage industries. You couldn't make or sell bird houses without government oversight in a Communist system. On the opposite side of the political spectrum is the fascist state (better defined as Corporatism). In a fascist state, the government is subservient to the desires and pressures of large privately owned businesses. That means if failing banks want a government subsidy to continue their corrupt actions they'll get it - and nobody in management will go to jail for fraud. In a fascist state the government promotes endless war or constant preparations for war or both. Does any of this sound familiar? It should. In other words, the United States doesn't have a snowballs chance of becoming Communist.

I refer here to talk about God mixed with politics being simple propagandistic rhetoric. It has nothing at all to do with praise of the Almighty or dedication to living a life spotless before Him. It has everything to do with political manipulation of the masses. "God bless America" is a slogan that perverts the Name of God and pollutes the air into which it is spoken. It's meaning is empty because American has turned its back upon God - almost totally. Fifty-five million babies have been murdered by their mothers in overt contradiction to the LAW of God, which tells us NOT to murder. Yet everyone expects God to wink at this crime against humanity and continue to bless a godless nation and a murderous people. Bad news, folks. He won't.

In 1930's Germany a Nazi propaganda poster pictured Adolph Hitler standing before a cathedral. The subscript of the poster read, "Gott Mitt Uns". Translated it means roughly "God is with us." Sound familiar? It should. It was the propaganda banner of a nation that dared to usurp God's good Name to justify invasion murder thievery and torture - all of which the United States is guilty of. Yet good Christians deliberately ignore crimes committed in their name and falsely assume God will bless us anyway. WRONG.

It is time to repent of our SINs and wickedness. The nation is lost and the possibility of turning back is forever gone. Divine providence is opposed to us now. The wise thing to do is to make peace with God, who alone can see us through the dark days ahead.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

PS

I am a registered and paying member of the Libertarian party. I have no illusions about the value of my vote. Neither should the reader of these words.
Yes, we do need to repent of our sins and wickedness. Yes, the future of our nation is the church and true believers. And yes we can make a difference if we care to pay the price.

But your theories leave a lot to be desired. Satan is not roaming around like a roaring lion. He is walking around as an angel of light which means he is on you before you know it. A classic example is the idea of a homosexual Christian. There is no such thing but by the way the church is embracing them, you would not think so.

Think back. The scripture and the church had male leadership. Now a church in Norway has more female ministers than males. Definitely, a slippery slope to reverse God's order of authority.

What is happening now is a precursor to what is going to happen. Marxism/communism use to conquer with the sword. Now it uses words. That is why it is taking over the universities.

Most of the time America is a gatekeeper in wars protecting countries that are under the thumb of another waring nation. The help given prevents a warring nation from being an aggressor who is not interested in anything except themselves so they will slaughter at will. My choice would be no wars because most of the time they are futile. Without the aid of Britain and the USA, Europe would be a fascist continent.

it is standard practice when interest rates are very low for countries to borrow to build infrastructure as the amount requiring to be repaid will be a lot less than if the rates were higher.

There is no such thing as free healthcare. Someone has to pay for it. In Australia, we have medicare which means free healthcare IF you need it. If you don't, then you pay. Someone on $50,000 a year should not have to subsidize someone's health care if they are earning $250,000 a year.

Communists have been working towards a communist America for years. They just haven't been shouting it from the rooftops. BLM is just another vehicle to achieve their aims.

"God bless America is not a slogan that perverts the name of God. Derek Prince has written about the power of the tongue and if someone says "God Bless America" it has repercussions for the good. If someone says "Satan, curse America" it has ramifications for the bad. As the scripture says "Life and death are in the power of the tongue."

The possibility of turning back has not gone. If God will stay his hand for 10 righteous people as he did in the OT, then he can stay his hand for a righteous church.
 

mustaphadrink

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1. We will always have the poor does not mean that we need to have people with billions of dollars and others with nothing. Poor and rich are relative to eachother. We could have a society where the poorest in society do not have luxuries but still have basic needs such as food, clothes, housing and a means to a better life if they apply themselves.

2. Republican policies make you more likely to be dead from disease, poverty, and violence.

3. Yes(mostly)

4. I support democrats and I want a world with little or no abortion so not sure what you mean.

5. Literally nothing you said is remotely true other then that he defunded planned parenthood.

6. Crazy unfounded conspiracy theory. Vast majority of BLM supporters want nothing to do with communism.

7. Does not mean greed don't exist.

8. ok

9. If they are getting richer, then they can afford to pay a higher minimum wage for those jobs.

10. Studies show that abortion has more to do with socioeconomic factors then anything else.
 

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4. I support democrats and I want a world with little or no abortion so not sure what you mean.

That dear boy is a total oxymoron. You want a world with little or no abortion but you support the party that wants an open slather on abortion and is going to reverse the progress the Republìcan Party has made stamping it out.
 

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I dont know if it should be legislated. it is a complicated issue. I could be swayed to illegalize it but first you have to address the fact that republicans do not care about children after they are born. If you really want to stop it and make it illegal, then you have to start with supporting children and families. That means universal healthcare, guaranteed food security, guaranteed housing. Right now the majority of Americans believe abortion should be legal. Only way that will ever change is if you stop the gross inequality that exists. Republicans will never change until they get the money out. The right wing billionaires don't care about abortion. They can just fly to Mexico or Canada to get one if need be. They are funding the republican party because of money, specifically the money out of poor and middle classes and into their own pocket. If you really want to end abortion then you have to start with improving the lives of born children. Until that happens you are fighting a losing battle.
Your answers are somewhat simplistic and do not take into account reality. So you want to stamp out poverty? Here is a suggestion for you that WILL WORK. Stop black fathers from abandoning their families. over 60% of black children are raised in families with no fathers present. Families with the father present, whether they are black, white, red, or orange will always do better regardless of their income if the Father is present, and being a father to their children. I happened to find this out when I was studying at University for my Social Science degree.

And I also found out that 80% of the males incarcerated in prison are blacks. It doesn't take too much to make a connection between the two.