I love and respect God and His son Yeshua Jesus. Any qualified proffessor of theology knows the Jewish Sabbath starts Friday evening. Christ was crucified Friday and the sabbath was approaching. The moral law as you say Paul did not change though his writings are not clear and confusing has been changed by Catholocism and other breakaway churches. Worshipping on Sunday is not the ORIGINAL Sabbath. I worship God everyday but as a sign of BELIEF and RESPECT everyone must search and work out what has happened and who did it and why. This is as serious as people now wanting to redifine marriage a new meaning. Well they redifined the original Sabbath and man did it. The 4th has been altered and broken and is being taught. This is a curse. When God said I will write my laws in their hearts He did not mean the laws of the moral code to be changed.
Who Told Paul The Commandments Were Abolished
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[SUP]14 [/SUP]Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ(Colossians 2:14-17).
The Bible states that Jesus took the ordinances of Israel out of the way,not the moral commandments.God's moral commandments never pass away,for we have to do good.
Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel out of the way for they could not provide spiritual blessings.That is why the Bible says do not let any man judge you in these ordinances by telling you to keep them because Jesus took them out of the way.
God's moral commandments including the 10 commandments are to always be obeyed because they are commandments of morality and love,which love is the fulfillment of the law.
Paul did not advocate doing away with the law,because he stated that we do not abandon the law but we fulfill it,and he said the law is good,and holy,and spiritual.
Paul stated the physical ordinances were done away with,not the law,for you cannot do away with the moral commandments of God which is based on love.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ(Colossians 2:14-17).
The Bible states that Jesus took the ordinances of Israel out of the way,not the moral commandments.God's moral commandments never pass away,for we have to do good.
Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel out of the way for they could not provide spiritual blessings.That is why the Bible says do not let any man judge you in these ordinances by telling you to keep them because Jesus took them out of the way.
God's moral commandments including the 10 commandments are to always be obeyed because they are commandments of morality and love,which love is the fulfillment of the law.
Paul did not advocate doing away with the law,because he stated that we do not abandon the law but we fulfill it,and he said the law is good,and holy,and spiritual.
Paul stated the physical ordinances were done away with,not the law,for you cannot do away with the moral commandments of God which is based on love.
The Seventh Day has consecutively without fail, comes around every 7 days. The first six days are just day 1, day 2, day 3, etc., until you reach the 7th day, which is called the Sabbath. No where in history has the 7 days of the week changed. God stated "He never changes" and since the Ten Commandments are His Commandments to us, it was not suppose to be highjacked and changed to a different day. I know the poor verses and stories many are taught as to why we do not obey the 4th Commandment of Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy and their lame excuses. Also Jesus kept all the commandments and He did not change them. You will find no verse in the entire Bible that explicitly changes Sabbath to Sunday without it being taken out of context.
Keeping the Sabbath Paul did teach and exemplify. He even kept the Feast Days. Paul continued in keeping Torah, and taught new believers to go to the synagogues on the Sabbath and hear the reading of the Torah from the seat of Moses, but do not do what the Pharisees say to do when they are not in the seat of Moses, since being in the seat of Moses all one was allowed was to read directly from the Torah. Later, outside of the seat, the Pharisees would teach their oral tradition, their extra unnecessary unbiblical beliefs. The very things that got them in trouble with Jesus in the first place.
Keeping the Sabbath Paul did teach and exemplify. He even kept the Feast Days. Paul continued in keeping Torah, and taught new believers to go to the synagogues on the Sabbath and hear the reading of the Torah from the seat of Moses, but do not do what the Pharisees say to do when they are not in the seat of Moses, since being in the seat of Moses all one was allowed was to read directly from the Torah. Later, outside of the seat, the Pharisees would teach their oral tradition, their extra unnecessary unbiblical beliefs. The very things that got them in trouble with Jesus in the first place.
I think you are getting the very purpose of God pretty mucked up. God says His purpose is to preserve life even to the point where we can live with Him forever.
Before the flood mankind got so evil they all were heading for death through the sin they chose. so God started us over again this time through Noah, and God started a special race to learn His ways hoping they could live and teach us to live through Abraham. If you check each one of those 613 laws you will see they are meant to help preserve a life for the race he was trying to protect. God even had Christ and His work on the cross planned from the beginning. It was used for atonement from sin through blood.
When you say God didn't have all of mankind, all the nations in mind when he was working with the Jews you are saying something that is against scripture. Scripture says "God so loved the world He gave His only Son". Scripture also says the world only has one God. The God spoken of in Genesis is God.
Before the flood mankind got so evil they all were heading for death through the sin they chose. so God started us over again this time through Noah, and God started a special race to learn His ways hoping they could live and teach us to live through Abraham. If you check each one of those 613 laws you will see they are meant to help preserve a life for the race he was trying to protect. God even had Christ and His work on the cross planned from the beginning. It was used for atonement from sin through blood.
When you say God didn't have all of mankind, all the nations in mind when he was working with the Jews you are saying something that is against scripture. Scripture says "God so loved the world He gave His only Son". Scripture also says the world only has one God. The God spoken of in Genesis is God.
Yes, God's purpose is to preserve life, so-much-so that He would rather die in the body so that WE might have eternal life through HIS death. Does that sound like a murdering God to you?
The God who is prepared to die in our room-and-stead so that we might have life is not a God who takes life, OUR God is the giver of life.
Can you see God Almighty who knows all things killing everyone off without putting something in place, perhaps a spirit of love into the heart, so the same thing would not happen again? It would be futile unless it is the son of perdition and destruction.
A god who destroys is a destroying god. You know who I mean. He is deceitful, the Father of lies and he comes as a wolf in sheep’s clothing. What we are seeing is the work of Satan disguised as the work of God. Jesus said by our fruits we are known and it is easy to know the work of satan from his fruits from which no good ever comes, and no good ever came of it, the world was just the same after the flood as before.
Jesus said, "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly" (John 10:10). This is my God and you are right he is there in Genesis and all the way through the Bible, but there is another god who is ever present also and he, the great deceiver, fools us into thinking he is the true God.
Our God is not a God of death and destruction. “Onward Christian Soldiers” is about spiritual warfare and killing people in the flesh does not kill the spirit of wickedness in mankind.
God bless.
The God who is prepared to die in our room-and-stead so that we might have life is not a God who takes life, OUR God is the giver of life.
Can you see God Almighty who knows all things killing everyone off without putting something in place, perhaps a spirit of love into the heart, so the same thing would not happen again? It would be futile unless it is the son of perdition and destruction.
A god who destroys is a destroying god. You know who I mean. He is deceitful, the Father of lies and he comes as a wolf in sheep’s clothing. What we are seeing is the work of Satan disguised as the work of God. Jesus said by our fruits we are known and it is easy to know the work of satan from his fruits from which no good ever comes, and no good ever came of it, the world was just the same after the flood as before.
Jesus said, "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly" (John 10:10). This is my God and you are right he is there in Genesis and all the way through the Bible, but there is another god who is ever present also and he, the great deceiver, fools us into thinking he is the true God.
Our God is not a God of death and destruction. “Onward Christian Soldiers” is about spiritual warfare and killing people in the flesh does not kill the spirit of wickedness in mankind.
God bless.
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As I like much of what you have to say here. If I may interject once again. It is through the church a misunderstanding (to put nicely) that Yeshua died on friday. Yeshua did not die on friday.
Now we know that scripture says He died, and they had to bury Him for it was the preperation time for the Sabbath. This was not the weekly sabbath they were preparing for, but the high Sabbath of the first day of Matzot(Feast of Unleavened bread) The first and last day of the feast of unleavened bread are what is called High holy day/high sabbath/feast sabbath which is treated as the same as a weekly sabbath. For as it says, Yeshua was in the earth for 3days and 3 nights. And since a 24 hr. period biblically starts at sundown(Gen.1) than we see that that yr. Yeshua died and was buried on a wed. sundown wed. night, thurs. night, frid. night, thurs-day, fri-day, sat-day. 3 days and nights, for as the dawn was breaking on the first day of the week, the tomb was already opened.
Blessings
Now we know that scripture says He died, and they had to bury Him for it was the preperation time for the Sabbath. This was not the weekly sabbath they were preparing for, but the high Sabbath of the first day of Matzot(Feast of Unleavened bread) The first and last day of the feast of unleavened bread are what is called High holy day/high sabbath/feast sabbath which is treated as the same as a weekly sabbath. For as it says, Yeshua was in the earth for 3days and 3 nights. And since a 24 hr. period biblically starts at sundown(Gen.1) than we see that that yr. Yeshua died and was buried on a wed. sundown wed. night, thurs. night, frid. night, thurs-day, fri-day, sat-day. 3 days and nights, for as the dawn was breaking on the first day of the week, the tomb was already opened.
Blessings
The blotting out of ordinances and writings etc. against us that was nailed to the cross, was not the Torah, the Torah has never been against us. but the false doctrine of the mishnah(oral law, which is not from YAH) was very much against us, for they were man made commandments being presented as commandments of YAH.
Matt. 15:9 And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctines the commandments of men.
So Yeshua made a show of their false teachings, in which is said, so don't let anyone judge you or in meat, drink, for keeping the feasts and Sabbaths. for they are a shadow of things to come
because they all lead to prophecy and the return of Yeshua. But no where does it make them nul and void
If YHVH had intended for His Sabbath to be put to and end, than out of the Ten Commandments He would not have said "REMEMBER THE SABBATH, AND KEEP IT HOLY" (not yelling, emphasizing)
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זכר
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zaw-kar'
A primitive root; properly to mark (so as to be recognized), that is, to remember; by implication to mention; also (as denominative from
earnestly, (make) mention (of), be mindful, recount, record (-er), remember, make to be remembered, bring (call, come, keep, put) to (in) remembrance, X still, think on, X well.
This is not something you tell someone to do if you plan on throwing it out the door later. You don't tell them to remember, and also declare it to be a statute FOREVER.
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זכר
zâkar
zaw-kar'
A primitive root; properly to mark (so as to be recognized), that is, to remember; by implication to mention; also (as denominative from
earnestly, (make) mention (of), be mindful, recount, record (-er), remember, make to be remembered, bring (call, come, keep, put) to (in) remembrance, X still, think on, X well.
This is not something you tell someone to do if you plan on throwing it out the door later. You don't tell them to remember, and also declare it to be a statute FOREVER.
I'm appreciating your posts ANIOHEVTORAH and my question is in no way critical, but can I ask if Jesus told either Jews, Gentiles or both to keep the Sabbath? I know he said about the last supper but what did Jesus say about the Sabbath please? 
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And the truth shall set you free Awsome that is 100% the way it was laid out and had to happen or Yeshua would have been lieing 3days and 3nights The time is comming all of the truth is going to be put out there and everybody is going to make a choice if you believe YHWH or man every word is pure. Blessings all
Yes but there is a small point here you both have missed the scripture by Christ Jesus to His Apostles writes on the 3rd day He will rise meaning A Friday crucifiction also fits, If Friday is taken as 1 day and one night, Saturday is one day and night thats 2 days and then Sunday is now the third day has appeared just after midnight it is still classed as night not morning thats 3 days and three nights
My friend, according to Genesis, a 24 hr. period starts at sundown. So if Yeshua died on friday, then at sundown starts His first day of being in the grave, sunday morning (first day of the week) while it was still dark as it says in John 20:1 Mary went to the tomb early in the morning. It was already empty. So sometime during sat. night, Yeshua rose from the dead. So from friday during the day when He died to sunday morning it is impossible to get 3 days and 3 nights fro Yeshua to be in the earth.
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The subject is buried for three days and nights then ressurection after fully completing, friday is not a full day. It is not days counting the day of His crucifixion. Friday is not a full day as you are counting, Wednesday died approx 12:00 noon buried before sunset Wednesday night(1st), Thursday day(1)full day, Thursday night(2nd night) Friday day(2nd) full day,
Friday night(3rd) Saturday day(3) Sunday morning ( what time ?)Ressurected.
You say Friday full day but it is not but if yes, friday full day 1, Friday night night #1, Saturday day #2 saturday night #2 sunday Full day# 3 sunday night full #3, Monday morning 5 or 6 a.m. is a guess unknown time resurrected.
Friday night(3rd) Saturday day(3) Sunday morning ( what time ?)Ressurected.
You say Friday full day but it is not but if yes, friday full day 1, Friday night night #1, Saturday day #2 saturday night #2 sunday Full day# 3 sunday night full #3, Monday morning 5 or 6 a.m. is a guess unknown time resurrected.