Is Christian Metal bad?
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Now listen, you honestly need to dig deeper before you throw a comment out like that. First off, most Christian me hard rock you can understand what they are saying. Second off, if it is about the lyrics, look at this excerpt:
Oh the depths of riches, like the water that fills the earth
The knowledge of my Creator who gives me worth
And though I crave to know all of the patterns of this world
Is endless for it's beyond tracing out
So from as far as I've seen there is a great hoard against me
Because I am a man sights see targets on my back
For all our hearts are not clean and the archers fire freely
Because I am a man sights see targets
For every knee will bow and every tongue confess
That you are God! For you are God!
His image bears the sight of the unseen King
His name is ever pleasing for this we do sing
Father of grace and mercy has poured out His wrath
Forever Your name proclaims!
Oh The Depths by Wolves at the Gate.
Now tell me that isn't a cry out to God, and come back to me if you have a real answer.
N
If the people don't know what the song is about, how will they know that God is there, especially if they don't already have the Lord in their heart? We are told to tell people of the gospel, not play music and poof! They find Christ through the music. That's not how it works. The Lord moves through the power of our words and actions, not through something that can't tell what it is about. If I weren't saved, and I walked into a classical concert with no words, I would walk away with absolutely nothing, even if they're intentions were to tell about God. Now, If they had a message during it, then I might get something.
All I would get was a feeling without words, and what can I do with that if there is no one to tell me what that power is? Absolutely nothing. I have personally seen thousands of people come to the Lord through hard rock and metal. Christian hard rock and metal. Most of the bands pray on stage, they have free worship sessions, and they give a salvation message. Open your box, and see the true God. He is outside of our understanding, so how can you place a little cage around His power? Open your horizons, because I have, and God has changed me from the inside out.
All I would get was a feeling without words, and what can I do with that if there is no one to tell me what that power is? Absolutely nothing. I have personally seen thousands of people come to the Lord through hard rock and metal. Christian hard rock and metal. Most of the bands pray on stage, they have free worship sessions, and they give a salvation message. Open your box, and see the true God. He is outside of our understanding, so how can you place a little cage around His power? Open your horizons, because I have, and God has changed me from the inside out.
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LOL @ the people who condemn christian metal music & other various styles of christian music that don't sound like mass produced corporate money driven slop for the cookie cutter precious moments collecting Nashville worshiping masses.
Metal is angry sounding music..."ooooh I am sooo frightened"
I see to remember a whole lot of righteous anger in word & song by God & his people throughout the entire bible.
...and once again if it's something a believer doesn't like or can't wrap their tiny brains around..it's bad or can't be used by God.
Answer me this...who created music? God! I still find it so humorous how so many people seem to think satan was the originator of music. If that's the case,then we as believers should abstain from any sort of music or praise through it unto God,because the devil may slip in & corrupt it. I'm sure many of you realize that 99% of the drivel you methodically sing every sunday morning are secular based hymns right?
Look people,I am just saying can we agree that we don't agree on everything. If christian metal music isn't your thing then fine,but don't go around telling people it's bad or wrong or they are promoting sin or hate or confusion by listening to it or playing it. Whatever happened to knowing someone by their fruit? How can we judge someone's heart? And since when is our God & our Lord Jesus someone whom we can box in????? Time & time again Jesus has confounded the wise,and used the foolish things of this world to snap us out of our religious comas. I know much of what I say will fall on deaf ears,but I felt the need just to say what I had to say & that's it. You won't see me coming back to this thread to fight or argue,because as we all know...everyone's got an opinion & in the end we're not gonna be standing before God arguing about our differences or musical tastes.
Band: Global Wave System
Album: Hypercritep
Track: Cardboard Box
If I was born in a barn
If I was a wanderer
If I ate with criminals
If my friends were prostitutes
If I gave sight to the blind
If I gave health to the sick
If I cleansed the leper's skin
If I caused the deaf to hear
If I raised the dead and preached
The good news to the poor
If I caused a man to shake
If I knocked him to the floor
If I gave him tongues to speak
If I let him prophesy
If I told you eat my flesh
If I told you drink my blood
If I was the only way
If I was the Son of God
If I offended your religion
If I insulted your tradition
If I made you reconsider
If I held you to the fire
If I asked you to change your ways
If I had you give it all away
If I asked you for your life
If I bade you come and die
Would you wait for someone else?
Yes because
My God lives in a cardboard box
I will not let him do anything
That won't fit in my theology
I'm so proud I've got it figured out
How I can fit him
Inside my cardboard box
Metal is angry sounding music..."ooooh I am sooo frightened"
I see to remember a whole lot of righteous anger in word & song by God & his people throughout the entire bible.
...and once again if it's something a believer doesn't like or can't wrap their tiny brains around..it's bad or can't be used by God.
Answer me this...who created music? God! I still find it so humorous how so many people seem to think satan was the originator of music. If that's the case,then we as believers should abstain from any sort of music or praise through it unto God,because the devil may slip in & corrupt it. I'm sure many of you realize that 99% of the drivel you methodically sing every sunday morning are secular based hymns right?
Look people,I am just saying can we agree that we don't agree on everything. If christian metal music isn't your thing then fine,but don't go around telling people it's bad or wrong or they are promoting sin or hate or confusion by listening to it or playing it. Whatever happened to knowing someone by their fruit? How can we judge someone's heart? And since when is our God & our Lord Jesus someone whom we can box in????? Time & time again Jesus has confounded the wise,and used the foolish things of this world to snap us out of our religious comas. I know much of what I say will fall on deaf ears,but I felt the need just to say what I had to say & that's it. You won't see me coming back to this thread to fight or argue,because as we all know...everyone's got an opinion & in the end we're not gonna be standing before God arguing about our differences or musical tastes.
Band: Global Wave System
Album: Hypercritep
Track: Cardboard Box
If I was born in a barn
If I was a wanderer
If I ate with criminals
If my friends were prostitutes
If I gave sight to the blind
If I gave health to the sick
If I cleansed the leper's skin
If I caused the deaf to hear
If I raised the dead and preached
The good news to the poor
If I caused a man to shake
If I knocked him to the floor
If I gave him tongues to speak
If I let him prophesy
If I told you eat my flesh
If I told you drink my blood
If I was the only way
If I was the Son of God
If I offended your religion
If I insulted your tradition
If I made you reconsider
If I held you to the fire
If I asked you to change your ways
If I had you give it all away
If I asked you for your life
If I bade you come and die
Would you wait for someone else?
Yes because
My God lives in a cardboard box
I will not let him do anything
That won't fit in my theology
I'm so proud I've got it figured out
How I can fit him
Inside my cardboard box
Any "Christian" band that goes on stage to perform with secular, hellish bands are not Christian at all. I don't care if it's rock, country, R&B, or metal, to go on their stage you have to play by their rules. The reason they play on their stage is quite simple...... they want to be like them. They dress like them, they act like them, they perform like them, and they play alongside of them. Don't talk to me about their "witness" on stage. When you play on their stage, you play by the rules in their contract. I know personally that their contracts don't have any place for Jesus. So who then are they really playing for?
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Just like you want to look like a hypocritical witness on a church stage. Makes perfect sense because we play by "our God is in a cardboard" rules. Contracts pays bills. I would like to see you start a 'band,' and see how far you get without a paycheck.
EDIT: I know plenty of bands that people would label 'not christian' and they are. It is a personal view.
EDIT: I know plenty of bands that people would label 'not christian' and they are. It is a personal view.
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NexusJ: You are very young and uninformed about the spiritual side of heavy metal music. Words can be good, but if the tone is angry, words are difficult to understand, and the sound of it is no different than secular heavy metal, it is NOT good.
Do not be deceived!! Satan will use every trick to help you justify what you like....like throwing in Christian lyrics to angry demonic instrumental. Consider that even ROCKS have sound. YOU were made from sound. SOUND is VERY IMPORTANT to God. If the sound you hear does not sooth, edify, and comfort (which no heavy metal music has the ability to do) it is not of God, Christian lyrics or not.
Maggie
Do not be deceived!! Satan will use every trick to help you justify what you like....like throwing in Christian lyrics to angry demonic instrumental. Consider that even ROCKS have sound. YOU were made from sound. SOUND is VERY IMPORTANT to God. If the sound you hear does not sooth, edify, and comfort (which no heavy metal music has the ability to do) it is not of God, Christian lyrics or not.
Maggie
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Than why don't we try playing are instruments in CCM music, hmm?
You are also very naive in thinking metal can't help someone. Music has helped me get through alot. I know people and have friends who have spared their lives due to certain band's messages (weren't christian) such as the bands: Suicide silence, Chelesea Grin, Slipknot etc. I should know because metal has helped me greatly.
You are also very naive in thinking metal can't help someone. Music has helped me get through alot. I know people and have friends who have spared their lives due to certain band's messages (weren't christian) such as the bands: Suicide silence, Chelesea Grin, Slipknot etc. I should know because metal has helped me greatly.
There will be people who hate it.
These same people will usually be full of hate for other things too - unless you do things their way you are a target of their hate. At least one on here is one of the most hate-filled un-Christian people I've every talked to or read the posts of anywhere in my life. And that includes the atheists!!!
tbh I've not heard enough to have an overall opinion on Christian heavy metal. I like some light rock I've heard. But I like heavy metal (not thrash metal) music and if the topic of the lyrics is for the glory of God that is even better.
But I don't hate even the musical styles I don't like or even those I dislike enough to turn the radio off to. Being filled with hate was the old me. Now I'm a Christian I've found that hate has no place in Christ.
Those who think the music they listen to is the only type of acceptable Christian music are naive and I would advise others to follow my lead and put them on your ignore list. I only get to read there garbage now if someone quotes it.
It is interesting that they think of as 'holy music' (i.e. acceptable to them) would probably have been considered repellant 2000 years ago. But I imagine they can cast their hate back in time too...
These same people will usually be full of hate for other things too - unless you do things their way you are a target of their hate. At least one on here is one of the most hate-filled un-Christian people I've every talked to or read the posts of anywhere in my life. And that includes the atheists!!!
tbh I've not heard enough to have an overall opinion on Christian heavy metal. I like some light rock I've heard. But I like heavy metal (not thrash metal) music and if the topic of the lyrics is for the glory of God that is even better.
But I don't hate even the musical styles I don't like or even those I dislike enough to turn the radio off to. Being filled with hate was the old me. Now I'm a Christian I've found that hate has no place in Christ.
Those who think the music they listen to is the only type of acceptable Christian music are naive and I would advise others to follow my lead and put them on your ignore list. I only get to read there garbage now if someone quotes it.
It is interesting that they think of as 'holy music' (i.e. acceptable to them) would probably have been considered repellant 2000 years ago. But I imagine they can cast their hate back in time too...
M
1 Thessalonians 5:22Abstain from all appearance of evil.
If it Sounds like secular, and it Acts like secular, it IS secular despite the lyrics....the lyrics is the band-aid/cover-up that Satan uses to deceive. Look deeper...look Under that band-aid to see the open sore, the puss, the blood and gore...the metaphor for people who have NOT been healed and made whole in Christ. I'm not blaming anyone....just saying...look deeper. Heavy metal music is angry by nature and it is incapable of not edifying us or glorifying the Lord.
M~
If it Sounds like secular, and it Acts like secular, it IS secular despite the lyrics....the lyrics is the band-aid/cover-up that Satan uses to deceive. Look deeper...look Under that band-aid to see the open sore, the puss, the blood and gore...the metaphor for people who have NOT been healed and made whole in Christ. I'm not blaming anyone....just saying...look deeper. Heavy metal music is angry by nature and it is incapable of not edifying us or glorifying the Lord.
M~
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Christian metal, bad? Does it glorify God or does it glorify someone else, if it's the latter, it's BAD ! I don't see how Christian metal, as a whole, will be glorifying 'bad' but I don't listen to it a whole lot these days. Used to. I was a fan of the Rez Band in 4th grade, which was not heavy metal either but, yeah, it was considered a little 'wild' back then those days, certainly not tame as some of the 'Imperials' and 'Keith Greene stuff of 1970s and 80s if I remember right.
Any music is GOOD, as long as it's the Lord leading you to listen to it. WHAT fruit is coming from it for your life, and, of course, you're NEVER going to find good out of songs that ask you to hurt girls or go thump people or, you know, that kind of crap in all the rap songs. So, yeah, music NEEDS to be made into a worship of God, for He will be jealous IF you put anyone or anything before Him FIRST .
Any music is GOOD, as long as it's the Lord leading you to listen to it. WHAT fruit is coming from it for your life, and, of course, you're NEVER going to find good out of songs that ask you to hurt girls or go thump people or, you know, that kind of crap in all the rap songs. So, yeah, music NEEDS to be made into a worship of God, for He will be jealous IF you put anyone or anything before Him FIRST .
T
How can these bands be Christlike when they're acting like, looking like, and sounding like secular heavy-metal and even working for the companies that produce it? Before I would sign "their" contract, I'd go out and get a job.
It is a view, not a fact. Read my blogs if you will?
Well, I was of the opinion that the sound or style of the music was not the point, but the lyrics. I have always believed in reaching people where they were at. I use the "past tense" because I listened to some of the music on this thread, which is actually Christian metal.
WOE!! Now that is demonic. You can say the name of Jesus is used all through it, but is it worship?? Nay! And again I say no!
I have been a musician my whole life. I played secular music before I got saved, and even then, recognized some music was not acceptable, even for bars and concerts. I have taught music, and play multiple instruments and I have been a worship leader, a worship director in various churches that span the spectrum of styles and theologies.
I also recognize that styles change, as that one hilarious video posted illustrated. And that we do need to find a heart music to worship God.
But when it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck it probably is a duck. So if extreme metal sounds demonic, the graphics look demonic, it probably is demonic.
I feel grieved for those who feel they have to play this kind of music. I know pride and making it big, are powerful motivators in music. These musicians are caught in the trap of trying to please an audience, in the hopes of making money. They are caught in a style of music that is likely going to trap them into a lifestyle that is ungodly and unchristian. No blanket condemnation, just very concerned, based on my own knowledge of the music scene, and trying to imitate the world.
As for Christian pop, I find most of it is the same tedious and boring chords, with the same grating voices, and the same arrangements. I do listen to some modern Christian music, but I am extremely selective.
As for the Bible, I have not seen many Scriptures in this entire long (from when it was started to now!) thread. We always need to go back to the Bible to find the kind of music that praises God.
"Praise the Lord!Praise God in his sanctuary;
praise him in his mighty heavens!
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Praise him for his mighty deeds;
praise him according to his excellent greatness!
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Praise him with trumpet sound;
praise him with lute and harp!
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Praise him with tambourine and dance;
praise him with strings and pipe!
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Praise him with sounding cymbals;
praise him with loud clashing cymbals!
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Let everything that has breath praise the Lord!
Praise the Lord!" Psalm 150
Note that it starts with praising God, it instructs to praise God for his greatness, his deeds and his excellent greatness. Then a huge variety of instruments, including loud clashing symbols. Like the end of Tchaichovsky's 1812 Overture, many effects can glorify God, no doubt about it. (Not that he was in anyway a Christian, just an example to show creative use of sound to create an effect!)
But music that sounds like it comes from hell? I really have some strong reservations about whether people can continue to listen to that kind of sound and not be affected in their spiritual walk.
I have my own preferences in music, and that includes classical, jazz and blues. Not too many Christian jazz and blues bands, I acknowledge. Perhaps that is because blues is a sad form of music, using the Dorian mode, and Jazz is basically happy, but a happiness that is based on human love, not God's love or joy. So, if I listen to JS Bach, who wrote all his music "To the glory of God" I know that I am listening to music that is based on the same values that I have, by a man who was gifted in amazing ways and who spent his life worshiping God.
Which brings me to being trained to play music.
"The number of them along with their brothers, who were trained in singing to the Lord, all who were skillful, was 288." 1 Chronicles 25:7
How much time have these metal musicians spent training to play their instruments? We are talking about public performers, not someone singing a praise song to God, out of tune, because their heart is filled with God's love and forgiveness.
I hear a few tricks and some very poor musicianship on the parts I could get through on those metal links.
So when I see a quote by someone in their signature, saying that "Music is my religion" by Jimi Hendrix, the man who died of a heroin overdose (regardless of the unique and skilled talent that he had on the guitar) or a quote by Nietzsche, the man who first said, "God is dead," I think we are walking away from the central purpose of music.
It is to glorify God!
"[SUP]13 [/SUP]and it was the duty of the trumpeters and singers to make themselves heard in unison in praise and thanksgiving to the Lord), and when the song was raised, with trumpets and cymbals and other musical instruments, in praise to the Lord,
“For he is good,
for his steadfast love endures forever,”
the house, the house of the Lord, was filled with a cloud,[SUP]14 [/SUP]so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud, for the glory of the Lord." 1 Chronicles 25:7
I don’t want to condemn anyone who got saved listening to Christian metal, or even the musicians that play it, but I have to strongly suggest that this is a sound that is not of God! I would urge you to expand your tastes, and perhaps find some styles that are more uplifting than the examples I have heard in this thread. Glorify God in everything you do, and you will not go wrong.
And here's a link to some radical, rock and roll by Keith Green in the late 70's.
The Lord is My Shepherd - keith green - YouTube
WOE!! Now that is demonic. You can say the name of Jesus is used all through it, but is it worship?? Nay! And again I say no!
I have been a musician my whole life. I played secular music before I got saved, and even then, recognized some music was not acceptable, even for bars and concerts. I have taught music, and play multiple instruments and I have been a worship leader, a worship director in various churches that span the spectrum of styles and theologies.
I also recognize that styles change, as that one hilarious video posted illustrated. And that we do need to find a heart music to worship God.
But when it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck it probably is a duck. So if extreme metal sounds demonic, the graphics look demonic, it probably is demonic.
I feel grieved for those who feel they have to play this kind of music. I know pride and making it big, are powerful motivators in music. These musicians are caught in the trap of trying to please an audience, in the hopes of making money. They are caught in a style of music that is likely going to trap them into a lifestyle that is ungodly and unchristian. No blanket condemnation, just very concerned, based on my own knowledge of the music scene, and trying to imitate the world.
As for Christian pop, I find most of it is the same tedious and boring chords, with the same grating voices, and the same arrangements. I do listen to some modern Christian music, but I am extremely selective.
As for the Bible, I have not seen many Scriptures in this entire long (from when it was started to now!) thread. We always need to go back to the Bible to find the kind of music that praises God.
"Praise the Lord!Praise God in his sanctuary;
praise him in his mighty heavens!
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Praise him for his mighty deeds;
praise him according to his excellent greatness!
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Praise him with trumpet sound;
praise him with lute and harp!
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Praise him with tambourine and dance;
praise him with strings and pipe!
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Praise him with sounding cymbals;
praise him with loud clashing cymbals!
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Let everything that has breath praise the Lord!
Praise the Lord!" Psalm 150
Note that it starts with praising God, it instructs to praise God for his greatness, his deeds and his excellent greatness. Then a huge variety of instruments, including loud clashing symbols. Like the end of Tchaichovsky's 1812 Overture, many effects can glorify God, no doubt about it. (Not that he was in anyway a Christian, just an example to show creative use of sound to create an effect!)
But music that sounds like it comes from hell? I really have some strong reservations about whether people can continue to listen to that kind of sound and not be affected in their spiritual walk.
I have my own preferences in music, and that includes classical, jazz and blues. Not too many Christian jazz and blues bands, I acknowledge. Perhaps that is because blues is a sad form of music, using the Dorian mode, and Jazz is basically happy, but a happiness that is based on human love, not God's love or joy. So, if I listen to JS Bach, who wrote all his music "To the glory of God" I know that I am listening to music that is based on the same values that I have, by a man who was gifted in amazing ways and who spent his life worshiping God.
Which brings me to being trained to play music.
"The number of them along with their brothers, who were trained in singing to the Lord, all who were skillful, was 288." 1 Chronicles 25:7
How much time have these metal musicians spent training to play their instruments? We are talking about public performers, not someone singing a praise song to God, out of tune, because their heart is filled with God's love and forgiveness.
I hear a few tricks and some very poor musicianship on the parts I could get through on those metal links.
So when I see a quote by someone in their signature, saying that "Music is my religion" by Jimi Hendrix, the man who died of a heroin overdose (regardless of the unique and skilled talent that he had on the guitar) or a quote by Nietzsche, the man who first said, "God is dead," I think we are walking away from the central purpose of music.
It is to glorify God!
"[SUP]13 [/SUP]and it was the duty of the trumpeters and singers to make themselves heard in unison in praise and thanksgiving to the Lord), and when the song was raised, with trumpets and cymbals and other musical instruments, in praise to the Lord,
“For he is good,
for his steadfast love endures forever,”
the house, the house of the Lord, was filled with a cloud,[SUP]14 [/SUP]so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud, for the glory of the Lord." 1 Chronicles 25:7
I don’t want to condemn anyone who got saved listening to Christian metal, or even the musicians that play it, but I have to strongly suggest that this is a sound that is not of God! I would urge you to expand your tastes, and perhaps find some styles that are more uplifting than the examples I have heard in this thread. Glorify God in everything you do, and you will not go wrong.
And here's a link to some radical, rock and roll by Keith Green in the late 70's.
The Lord is My Shepherd - keith green - YouTube