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homwardbound

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Why dont you try answering the question that you quoted ?

Then salvation is up to man, not what Christ did for him, correct ? Yes or NO !
Ihave been through all this with you before and I am not in any need to answer you, I have answered you and you do not respect anyone here. You even quouted to me once before that I was not of god and that we will find out on Judgement day and I replied with okay, we all have the right to free cholce and you have made yours and me mine, sowe will see on that great and precious day that all will be revealed thankyou for your posts
 

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Then believing is a work if you believe it Is an act of man ? Yes or no..
one last time the only left act of man is to beleive or not and is completely aware of their choice, for there will be and there is no excuse andyes this is a work. Now the enemyof the cross has over the years made this entering intoGod's rest reallydifficult today by all the heresy that has taken hold and has taken away the power of the cross. So God told us in Hebrews 3 and 4 KJV to work hard to enter into his rest
 

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This verse tells us what men in the flesh cannot do. and anyone who is not born of the Spirit is in the flesh, period ! Faith pleases God, and nobody who has not been born again can have Faith in God. Why ?

Rom 8:7-8

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
well then this is why the disciples had to wait yes and according to eph 1:1-13 13 especially is we those thatbeleive the first day are sealed by God with the Holy Ghost of promise. Why are you trying to delude truth hmm!!!!!!!!!!!!! ow well have at it we all will see truth and every knee sahll bow and tongue confess when the day arrives. I am ready by faith in Christ, whether it is a work of waht you claim and then change it to something else or not God just love us and has shed this about to all people, leaving us to choose God or this world and self.
Ido not carewhich way you continue to slice, dice and cube it makes no differance, God is God and Godloves us all today is the day forSalvation I have chosen have you or are you going to argue on this as well. If you are saved by grace as your avator leads to and Iam too can we just leave it here being saved and trust God tosort itallout in each one of us knowing that God ahs recieved each of us?
 

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If you believe or anyone else for that matter, believe God saves you because you believed, you believe in salvation by works. Believing is an act performed by man !!
what does either have to do with salvation I am saved no matter which way you slice this, are you?
Who is Jesus Christ to you?
 
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what does either have to do with salvation
It has a lot to do with it. The scripture teaches against salvation by works, its by Grace. God through Christ should get all the Glory for Salvation, not God and man !
 
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well then this is why the disciples had to wait yes and according to eph 1:1-13 13 especially is we those thatbeleive the first day are sealed by God with the Holy Ghost of promise
This verse tells us what men in the flesh cannot do. and anyone who is not born of the Spirit is in the flesh, period ! Faith pleases God, and nobody who has not been born again can have Faith in God. Why ?

Rom 8:7-8

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
 
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hom



It has a lot to do with it. The scripture teaches against salvation by works, its by Grace. God through Christ should get all the Glory for Salvation, not God and man !
"it is the work of God that we believe in the one he sent"

These are Christ's own words.. It is not our work, it is his work. thus belief is not a works based salvation/

We are saved by faith. period.. if faith or belief is a work, then no one will be saved.
 
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one last time the only left act of man is to beleive or not and is completely aware of their choice, for there will be and there is no excuse andyes this is a work. Now the enemyof the cross has over the years made this entering intoGod's rest reallydifficult today by all the heresy that has taken hold and has taken away the power of the cross. So God told us in Hebrews 3 and 4 KJV to work hard to enter into his rest
Then believing is a work if you believe it Is an act of man ?
 

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Even deacons can only be MEN! Let alone the preacher/teacher/bishop/apostle/pastor and prophets... No my dear you have WAY to much to learn to preach or teach at this stage... SORRY that is the Truth. .
Not true!! In fact, if you really look closely at your "preacher/teacher/bishop/apostle/pastor and prophets" passage, you will find NO qualification for men only.

"And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,[SUP]12 [/SUP]for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;" Eph. 4:11-12

The word SOME in the Greek is tous, and it has no gender attached to it. It only says that you have to be called, and my personal opinion from reading ElizabethPeter's posts, is that God has called her. Phoebe was a deacon or "servant" which is the word diakonos in Greek, and the same word used for other deacons. Strange I could not find ONE translation which acknowledged that Phoebe was a minister or deacon, which certainly represents a translational bias!

"I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who is a servant of the church in Cenchreae." Romans 16:1

diakonos = deacon, servant, minister. All people who take this office are called to serve, including women!

Most translations use "man" for 1 Tim 3:1 for example, which in the Greek is actually "tis" which means ANYONE.

"This saying is trustworthy: “If anyone aspires to be an overseer, he desires a noble work.” 1 Tim 3:1 HCSB. However the 3rd person personal pronoun does NOT specify gender it is just contained within the verb, which is epithumei. It is the present active indicative, and should read HE, SHE or IT. Well, because people aren't IT's in English, that narrows it down to HE or SHE!

1 Tim 3:11 "Women (deaconesses) similarly must be respectable....." United Bible Societies Interlinear English/Greek.

As for verses like 1 Tim 3:2 "Husband of one wife" is this referring to a universal qualification or of excluding polygamous men? So NOT "husband of several wives?" Esp. when Paul has already named Phoebe as a deacon elsewhere. There is no doubt women were called to be deacons, and even the ESV which is very against women in leadership, qualifies 1 Tim 3:11 to note "Their wives" could be the wives of the deacons or the women deacons themselves, since the word gyne could be either women or wives.

I think Eugene Peterson really gets the passage on the qualification right in The Message.

"The same goes for those who want to be servants in the church: serious, not deceitful, not too free with the bottle, not in it for what they can get out of it. They must be reverent before the mystery of the faith, not using their position to try to run things. Let them prove themselves first. If they show they can do it, take them on. No exceptions are to be made for women—same qualifications: serious, dependable, not sharp-tongued, not overfond of wine. Servants in the church are to be committed to their spouses, attentive to their own children, and diligent in looking after their own affairs. Those who do this servant work will come to be highly respected, a real credit to this Jesus-faith." 1 Tim 3:8-13

The rest of the qualifications seem to be HE, but again, there is no such word in the Greek. (There really is NO equivalent for HE and SHE in Greek, only the neutral word "autos.") It can refer to either gender or be neutral. I am quite sure if Paul wanted women to be excluded, he would have used the word for man or husband, which is ANER is all the places he was setting out instructions on who was to teach and preach. (Which he does use specifically in 1 Tim 3:2, when instructing MEN not to have more than one wife!!

So those qualifications are just NOT there. Even taking in cultural difference from then and now, where women were uneducated, and often disruptive in church, Paul NEVER said women could not teach.

And if you want to get into the verses on "I suffer not a women to teach" well, you are just going to have to go back through the many posts on women teaching, and find my exegesis in the Greek.

Of course, Cobus won't listen to a word, as usual, but I do want to encourage Elizabeth to pursue her calling to preach, teach or whatever God has called her to do, without fear of some patriarchal men who do not understand Greek, Paul or his teachings.The following verse is what Paul believed about equality in ministry, not just salvation, and he spells it out plainly.

"There is no Jew or Greek, slave or free, male or female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal. 3:28

As for your age, Elizabeth,

"Let no one despise you for your youth, but set the believers an example in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, in purity." 1 Tim. 4:12.

Besides, Cobus, this whole post condemning Elizabeth for her excellent post is simply a red herring, because you can't convince people of your sinless perfection false and heretical doctrine!
 
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It has a lot to do with it. The scripture teaches against salvation by works, its by Grace. God through Christ should get all the Glory for Salvation, not God and man !
It is true we are saved by grace through faith But, the result of that is good works.
 

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hom



This verse tells us what men in the flesh cannot do. and anyone who is not born of the Spirit is in the flesh, period ! Faith pleases God, and nobody who has not been born again can have Faith in God. Why ?

Rom 8:7-8

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God (until they are in Christ P.S.)

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
 
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Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God (until they are in Christ P.S.)

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Indeed, the spiritual mind, having drank all the scriptures in for consideration, sees Romans 8:9 as saying, 'You are not walking in the fleshly carnal mindset, the spirit of which serves only your material body, if it is really true that God's Spirit has renewed your spirit to life within you and is in full control of your spirit, for you cannot give your spirit to serve both your own material body and to serve God. Now if any man has not in him this same spirit which is the spirit that is fully shined to us in Christ that we might be partakers of it, then he is none of God's children and belongs not as a brethren to Christ. And if you have really eaten of Christ that he be in you, then the material body is dead because you rejected it, hating it's sin which has only the power of death, and your material body with it's carnal mindset therefore has no more ability to influence your spirit to keep God's life giving Spirit separated from you, but the Spirit of God which is the power of life is in you because you now walk after God's righteousness, as opposed to your former course when you walked after your own opinion of righteousness.'

See if you can see these things in that verse. Use the rest of the scriptures to evaluate it.
 
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I respectfully disagree. After you read the following scriptures and read my comments, please respond back. I believe that your statement below is in gross error; i.e., according to scriptures of the Word.


Oh are you preaching God's Word? Can you preach this...

My dear if only you did preach what God put in His Word... You do not, that is why I am writing this... You preach what you learned from false teachers... And God gives me command to reproof you with SCRIPTURE... Yet you do not accept the truth. What about this verse.... Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

Even deacons can only be MEN! Let alone the preacher/teacher/bishop/apostle/pastor and prophets... No my dear you have WAY to much to learn to preach or teach at this stage... SORRY that is the Truth.

Luke 2:36-37
“Now there was one, Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher…who did not depart from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.”


Romans 16:1
I commend unto you Phebe our sister, who is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:
I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:
2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.
3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:
4 Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles.
6 Greet Mary, who bestowed much labour on us.
7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.


Phebe: a “deaconess of the church at Cenchrea,” the port of Corinth
She was probably the bearer of Paul's epistle to the Romans. Paul commended her to the Christians at Rome; “for she hath been,” says he, “a succourer of many, and of myself also” (Rom. 16:1-2). Phebe • WebBible Encyclopedia • ChristianAnswers.Net

Priscilla: Her name sometimes takes the precedence of his (Rom. 16:3; 2 Tim. 4:19). She took part with Aquila (q.v.) in instructing Apollos (Acts 18:26).

Junia or Junias (Greek: Ιουνια / Ιουνιας, Iounia) was a 1st century Christian highly regarded and complimented by apostle Paul.[1]That Junia was a woman is seldom contested today among Christian theologians. Nicole, Roger. "The Inerrancy of Scripture." Priscilla Papers, Vol. 20, No. 2, Spring 2006.

Mary, "who bestowed much labour on us"; important because she labored directly with Paul. The Church today, would refer to Paul as being Mary's pastor.

Anna the Prophetess; she "fasted and prayed day and night" never left the Jerusalem Temple serving God.

Phebe, "servant of the church". This is so clear that she is a deacon. No further comment needed.
Priscilla, along with Aquila her husband and Paul, was equal with both in ministering, expounding, and preaching the Gospel. Additonally, Priscilla is the "classical example of a woman teacher in early church history. She was a celebrated missionary, pastor, and co-worker of Paul. She is thought by some to be the anonymous author of the Epistle to the Hebrews." ref. Bilezikian, Gilbert. Beyond Sex Roles. Baker, 1989. ISBN 0-8010-0885-9. pp.200-201; Hoppin, Ruth. Priscilla's Letter: Finding the Author of the Epistle to the Hebrews. Lost Coast Press, 2000. ISBN 1-882897-50-1. This was one tough Christian lady for the Lord. She was equal in expounding the Gospel to Paul early in his ministry; Acts 18:26

Mary, “who bestowed much labour on us”. Mary is just as important as the other women in ministry. Note, “much labor”, she ministered to Jesus by ministering to Paul. She served him, which is what Jesus commanded us to do. Additionally, Jesus stated that the least among you shall become the great. Hereby, Mary served Paul taking a servant's position.

Continue in Love and Apologize to the Sister
 
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Is salvation given to us because we repent? Does repentance come before regeneration?
Well let's see what the bible says: 2 Cor 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. As an example, say a drunkard simply goes to rehabilitation because they feel sorry and embarrassed for their wayward lifestyle and the process leads to reformation of moral and conduct, that's not biblical repentance and they are still under God's condemnation for their unbelief. Such type of repentance was provoked by worldly sorrow. However, godly sorrow is initiated by the Holy Spirit which results in genuine contrition, abhorrence of sin and love for God, and it is the response of God's goodness and grace (Rom 2:4) and the key is that it does not exist in isolation of faith in the Lord Jesus (Mark 1:15, Acts 20:21). Therefore genuine repentance leads to salvation and elicits transformation of heart, will, and mind. Jesus said that repentance for the remission of sins should be preached to all nations, so pastors that remove repentance from their messages, claiming that it is "works salvation", are teaching an anaemic gospel that poses as a hindrance to salvation of souls because clearly repentance is vital for sinners' reconciliation (Acts 17:30).
 
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Read Eph 4:11 to 13, and let God show you how special you are to him. Timothy and one of God's other prophets was also young... NOT 15 though... but they were VERY SPECIAL.. both of them, and God elected them for many hardship...

:confused: My dear brother, what ever do you mean by all deacons are male?

Continue in love...I left my comments in another thread.:)

Concerning the Age Thing, and Special--I respectfully disagree:


Jesus started His ministry at 12-years old. Luke 2nd Chapter: 42v; When he was twelve years old, they went up to the Feast, according to the custom. 46v; After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 48v; When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, "Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you. Now the key to knowing that Jesus' ministry had begun is given by Jesus himself:

Luke 2:49; And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? Jesus clearly began His ministry at this time. He certainly wasn't among the teachers because He needed to be taught--He is Word incarnate. Notice prior to the text concerning Jesus sitting with the teachers, Luke emphasizes the following: Luke 2:40 supports this statement, "And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him."

Clearly Jesus was not the student here, He was ministering to the teachers. With Jesus, everything is by faith and according to His calling and purpose of each individual. Here are other examples for you:

1 Samuel 3:1; And the child Samuel ministered unto the LORD before Eli. And the word of the LORD was precious in those days; there was no open vision.

"What was Samuel's first direct prophesy from God?" to prophecy against Eli and his house; 1 Samuel 3:11-14.

1 Samuel 3:19 Samuel grew, and the Lord was with him and let nothing he said prove false.
Compare this text to the one in Luke 2:40

Geneva Study Bible: "Josephus writes that Samuel was 12 years old when the Lord appeared to him." This correlates with Jesus starting His ministry when he was in the Temple at 12 as recorded by the Apostle Luke.

Consider David

A man has to be at least 20 to be in the army Numbers 1:3; 26:2

"Since David is not with his brothers and it wasn't due to a lack of zeal, we must conclude that David is under the age of 20.
David is the eighth son of Jesse. His three eldest brothers were in the army_I Samuel 17:14. David would be at least 5 years younger than the third son who is in the army. If we assume that the cut off between the third and fourth son was due to age, that would put David at 15 or less -- this is why he is depicted as a youth and so described_1 Samuel 17:33" ref. Internet, author unknown. I do not believe that anyone of sound mind would dispute that killing the giant was not the beginning of David's ministry.

Just pointing out some things. Paul told Timothy, let no man despise his youth. It wasn't because Timothy was so special, it was because God called him in his youth just as others before him.


Even Apollos had to be pulled aside to by Aquila and Priscilla Acts 18:24-26 to have the Word expounded to him. But they didn't ostracize him. :) Just making some observations.
 
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CORRECTION TO STATEMENT

Priscilla was equal to Paul expounding the Gospel to Apollos Acts 18:24-26

I respectfully disagree. After you read the following scriptures and read my comments, please respond back. I believe that your statement below is in gross error; i.e., according to scriptures of the Word....


Priscilla, along with Aquila her husband and Paul, was equal with both in ministering, expounding, and preaching the Gospel. Additonally, Priscilla is the "classical example of a woman teacher in early church history. She was a celebrated missionary, pastor, and co-worker of Paul. She is thought by some to be the anonymous author of the Epistle to the Hebrews." ref. Bilezikian, Gilbert. Beyond Sex Roles. Baker, 1989. ISBN 0-8010-0885-9. pp.200-201; Hoppin, Ruth. Priscilla's Letter: Finding the Author of the Epistle to the Hebrews. Lost Coast Press, 2000. ISBN 1-882897-50-1. This was one tough Christian lady for the Lord. She was equal in expounding the Gospel to Paul early in his ministry; Acts 18:26
 
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As to what Jesus meant when he said, "It is finished", Here is your best clue, given by Jesus himself,

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
34 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?
35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Now Gentleman, ponder that against the following:

Romans 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 ¶As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.
29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.
30 ¶What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

What was finished, Gentleman, was the laying of the stone of stumbling so that Old system could end with a remnant of his people saved, salvation go out to the Gentiles, and the new watchtower of God begin to be built under a new and better covenant.

Gentleman, there at Luke 14:26-35, we see a reference to Jerusalem as the watchtower of God. God had committed it's building into the hands of men who proved unable to finish it. So that Jewish system which was as God's watchtower to the people now proved to loose it's salt and be valueless. 35 " It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear."

Jesus words, "It is finished" refer specifically to that Old Law Covenant system being finished. The stone of stumbling was laid and they had completed their tripping.

Those words of Jesus have nothing to do with our sin and to use his words that way is wrong and causes the lala attitudes of people who take sin too lightly to falsely believe they have found justification for it.

That Old Covenant system ended, and after Jesus death and ascension it was now time to begin building the new watchtower to the people under a new and better covenant.

2 Corinthians 6:1 "We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain."

1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 ¶For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
16 ¶Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
18 ¶Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
21 ¶Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;
22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;
23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
 
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Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God (until they are in Christ P.S.)

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
I am not talking about those who are in Christ. However one who is not in Christ and not born again, and is only a natural man, they cannot please God, and that means they cannot believe or have faith since Faith Pleases God !
 

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I always thought that when Jesus said "It is finished" he meant his work of earth was complete. All that was written in the prophets about him was fulfilled and he was both the "sacrificial lamb" and the “passover lamb” whereby his people are freed from the consequences of sin.

Blessings.