Plan-B

[Porthos]

Perhaps it's only me who sees it this way;

But forcing people who don't know God, or who are too blind to have seen God, into no contraceptive options, knowing they aren't believers, knowing they are usually uneducated and knowing they'll have sex and get pregnant in unsupported and unsupportive families, seems like an awful means to an even worse end.

It is the glory of God to feed the poor, clothe the hungry and look out for the needy.

Does anyone ever wonder why these young gilrs have sex in the first place?

It's a means to feel loved and wanted. These girls grow up in irreverent families, usually have perturbed childhoods and always have self-esteem and self-worth issues and they get with guys and they fall into bed because it makes them feel cared about and desired by someone.

I'd rather they had the opportunity to come out of it without a child and move on and live their lives and grow up and have a chance to become educated and get out of the impoverished circle that their family is in. And then maybe when they eventually do decide to have kids, they might grow up to feel a little more loved and less deprived than they did.

 

[wisebeardman]

Thats not really the best approach for married couples and shows a complete lack of mature thought on the subject. Sex is FOR marriage nd now you want to take that away from people? genius...

its pretty simple actually. dont want kids dont have sex. just like dont want to go to prison dont commit the crimes that will put you there.

 

[Porthos]

its pretty simple actually. dont want kids dont have sex. just like dont want to go to prison dont commit the crimes that will put you there.

Yes, because it's as simple as that to the general population and they all think like you and have your non-existent drive for physical connection. So the moment you take contraception off the shelf, OF COURSE they're gonna stop having sex!

What a genius ....

 

[Porthos]

You can't blame people who don't know God for not being able to control their desires. Everyone talks about normal people, atheist, non-christian people like they are the mud of the earth. That is definitely not the case.

 

[wisebeardman]

Yes, because it's as simple as that to the general population and they all think like you and have your non-existent drive for physical connection. So the moment you take contraception of the shelf, OF COURSE they're gonna stop having sex!

What a genius ....

Hey maybe we should just take a page out of the arab handbook. have sex out of marriage and stoned you get.

see the problem is the me me me attitude everyone has these days its all about me. who cares what my actions will end up causing ITS ALL ABOUT ME ME ME ME.

maybe its just time for some harsh laws.

 

[Porthos]

Hey maybe we should just take a page out of the arab handbook. have sex out of marriage and stoned you get.

see the problem is the me me me attitude everyone has these days its all about me. who cares what my actions will end up causing ITS ALL ABOUT ME ME ME ME.

maybe its just time for some harsh laws.

Because forgiveness, compassion and helping the 'dirty little sinners' is really just beneath us, right???

................... genius.

sarcasm.

 

[OceanGrl]

its pretty simple actually. dont want kids dont have sex. just like dont want to go to prison dont commit the crimes that will put you there.

See, I can understand this if you're not married, kind of makes sense, but if you're married then sex is a must. It's not about having kids, but about connecting with the person you've married and love on a spiritual, physical, and emotional level.

 

[MidniteWelder]

Because forgiveness, compassion and helping the 'dirty little sinners' is really just beneath us, right???

................... genius.

sarcasm.

It's more that trying to step around the consequences of sin by trying to invent ways to get out of the responsibility of ones own actions
...is beneath us yep.

People discovering what "reap what they sow means" will sharpen and shorten their own learning curve by bringing an even faster realization to improving their own maturity, spiritual maturity in THE LORD.
Teach abstinence and the reasons why, and if they do what they ought not be doin, let them endure the trials and consequences of THEIR OWN action for choosing rebellion instead of obedience.
What the world needs is to learn more obedience and submission to authority
Not teach Mini Gods with the thought "I am and there is no one else besides me"

Yes, take away contraception from anyone unless married, let them get pregnant let them go through life realizing what has been done, instead of teaching the premise of trying to escape from it, and I reason there will be a lot less people engaging in premarital sex once they have 2 or 3 kids to take care of on their own.
Other will see what happens to them and they can still be used as an excellent example of
"What NOT to do"

 

[Porthos]

It's more that trying to step around the consequences of sin by trying to invent ways to get out of the responsibility of ones own actions
...is beneath us yep.

People discovering what "reap what they sow means" will sharpen and shorten their own learning curve by bringing an even faster realization to improving their own maturity, spiritual maturity in THE LORD.
Teach abstinence and the reasons why, and if they do what they ought not be doin, let them endure the trials and consequences of THEIR OWN action for choosing rebellion instead of obedience.
What the world needs is to learn more obedience and submission to authority
Not teach Mini Gods with the thought "I am and there is no one else besides me"

Yes, take away contraception from anyone unless married, let them get pregnant let them go through life realizing what has been done, instead of teaching the premise of trying to escape from it, and I reason there will be a lot less people engaging in premarital sex once they have 2 or 3 kids to take care of on their own.
Other will see what happens to them and they can still be used as an excellent example of
"What NOT to do"

IPS – No Contraceptives Means More Illegal Abortions in Uganda | Inter Press Service

Cause it works for the Ugandans.


I can tell you, the ONLY thing, and I mean the only thing, that any of you would notice, disregarding everything else, if you outlawed contraception, would be a magnificent army of angry women (and men) calling for your head on a plate. I can guarantee that.

And proliferating for some young girl to be stuck in a life of poverty and depravity because she was unable to get contraception and was uneducated about sex (and of course because you think it's better for people to suffer than to make their own choices and live happy lives, regardless of whether their choices conform with your beliefs) certainly makes me want to ask for it too.

If THEY (whom are so beneath you), want to have sex, then put contraception out there, and let them have sex. How does it really affect you, in all honesty? Really? How does it make your life so bad that you think they deserve to rot?

You're sick in the head mate.

Do you really think your laws and disdain are going to encourage people to want to follow God? they're gonna make them hate you and hate God even more for putting them in a situation without choice! Does nobody understand this simple premise of human nature??

It's not going to help your cause, really, it isn't. And it's not going to help theirs either.

I say give out all the condoms you like. People will make their decisions about their faith regardless and it does a lot more to show God's kindness to protect the blind and the 'stupid' that go around having sex all over the place than it does to force them into an uncompromising position and take away their freedom.

If they aren't allowed to have contraception, I'll be voting for christianity to be banned too. Because you've taken their choice and so you deserve to have your own taken away.

Even God gives choice. He gives instructions, yet hasn't he made us physically able to disobey them? Yet you aren't willing to give people choice.

Who's the real Mini-God .....

 

[MissCris]

...wow. Just...wow.

 

[Porthos]

What are you wowing about anyway? Seriously, it's ridiculous. This guy would rather see an innocent child grow up with a mother who can't look after it, likely the two of them will be living like poverty stricken refugees. I see it day in day out.

Girls grow up with fathers that couldn't give a damn and mothers that couldn't give a damn and they go out and they find a man and they find comfort in him. They get pregnant and either they get an abortion or they can't afford the flights to England and back and there they are stuck here with kids that they can't support because they went out looking for a little affection in their lives.

And all this guy's worried about is making everyone abide by his laws so God can say to him 'well done son'. But he won't say 'well done son'.

He'll say that you should have been out helping the people that needed it instead of promoting hatred against people who can't find a way to do any better for themselves or who don't really know any better.

You've got to be blind if you think banning contraception is going to ease the suffering of anyone. I rather someone has sex and sins protected and has sex and sins, and brings a child into the world who suffers, and causes themselves to suffer. cause you know what happens then? The child ends up exactly the same way.

 

[MidniteWelder]

IPS – No Contraceptives Means More Illegal Abortions in Uganda | Inter Press Service

Cause it works for the Ugandans.


I can tell you, the ONLY thing, and I mean the only thing, that any of you would notice, disregarding everything else, if you outlawed contraception, would be a magnificent army of angry women (and men) calling for your head on a plate. I can guarantee that.

And proliferating for some young girl to be stuck in a life of poverty and depravity because she was unable to get contraception and was uneducated about sex (and of course because you think it's better for people to suffer than to make their own choices and live happy lives, regardless of whether their choices conform with your beliefs) certainly makes me want to ask for it too.

If THEY (whom are so beneath you), want to have sex, then put contraception out there, and let them have sex. How does it really affect you, in all honesty? Really? How does it make your life so bad that you think they deserve to rot?

You're sick in the head mate.

Do you really think your laws and disdain are going to encourage people to want to follow God? they're gonna make them hate you and hate God even more for putting them in a situation without choice! Does nobody understand this simple premise of human nature??

It's not going to help your cause, really, it isn't. And it's not going to help theirs either.

I say give out all the condoms you like. People will make their decisions about their faith regardless and it does a lot more to show God's kindness to protect the blind and the 'stupid' that go around having sex all over the place than it does to force them into an uncompromising position and take away their freedom.

If they aren't allowed to have contraception, I'll be voting for christianity to be banned too. Because you've taken their choice and so you deserve to have your own taken away.

Even God gives choice. He gives instructions, yet hasn't he made us physically able to disobey them? Yet you aren't willing to give people choice.

Who's the real Mini-God .....

Yeah, I know, it's rough huh?
Here's a juice box.

I hope you feel better.

 

[Porthos]

Yeah, I know, it's rough huh?
Here's a juice box.

I hope you feel better.

You're void mate.

 

[Porthos]

Simple fact is; it'll never be banned here, or in the US. And thank God for that. It eases potential suffering a mountain more than it causes it.

 

[MidniteWelder]

What are you wowing about anyway? Seriously, it's ridiculous. This guy would rather see an innocent child grow up with a mother who can't look after it, likely the two of them will be living like poverty stricken refugees. I see it day in day out.

Girls grow up with fathers that couldn't give a damn and mothers that couldn't give a damn and they go out and they find a man and they find comfort in him. They get pregnant and either they get an abortion or they can't afford the flights to England and back and there they are stuck here with kids that they can't support because they went out looking for a little affection in their lives.

And all this guy's worried about is making everyone abide by his laws so God can say to him 'well done son'. But he won't say 'well done son'.

He'll say that you should have been out helping the people that needed it instead of promoting hatred against people who can't find a way to do any better for themselves or who don't really know any better.

You've got to be blind if you think banning contraception is going to ease the suffering of anyone. I rather someone has sex and sins protected and has sex and sins, and brings a child into the world who suffers, and causes themselves to suffer. cause you know what happens then? The child ends up exactly the same way.

No no, what if these people would have been taught the benefits of abstinence and the reasons therefore.
Have you ever considered that scenario.
Some people need to just learn what No means and accept it without pouting and trying to keep getting their way

 

[Porthos]

No no, what if these people would have been taught the benefits of abstinence and the reasons therefore.
Have you ever considered that scenario.
Some people need to just learn what No means and accept it without pouting and trying to keep getting their way

Have you ever tried to talk a 16 year girl with low self esteem and an unsupportive family into thinking about her future and what's best for her?

People in those conditions have a barrier up that it takes a helluva lot of effort to budge. Whether you like it or not, that kind of girl is going to do what she wants, when she wants, and I'd rather she got the chance to do it, sort her head out, and come out the other side with the freedom to really think about it with a more mature mind; without kids on her shoulders.

 

[Porthos]

That's just one example.

IF it wasn't for contraception, I'D be a father. And to be honest, in my teens my head was so screwed up I didn't know who or what I was; I took a pretty bad reaction to some things and ended up going la-la for a few years. To be honest, if I'd had a child around that time I probably wouldn't even be here.

And what about rape? To me a girl should be able to make whatever decision she feels able to make after an incident like that.

I'd rather give people all the help they need, the education they need, and the contraceptives and tools they need, then let them make their own choices.

This crazy promiscuity in society over the last 10 years is only gonna last so long. It's a fad. And one day someone's going to say 'there is'n't really THAT much point in having all this sex everywhere, media, TV, adverts, is there?'

 

[MissCris]

"Wow" as in, on a Christian site, you wouldn't think this would be so controversial. "Wow" as in, you'd think that Christians could agree that sex before/outside of marriage shouldn't be happening.

I accept that it DOES happen. Doesn't mean I think it's a good idea to encourage or support it. Honestly, if a person plays with fire, they're going to get burned. If a person has sex, they run the risk of disease or babies. Even WITH birth control.

I'm too sleepy to continue this right now. I'll finish this thought tomorrow.

I want a juice box!

...

 

[Porthos]

There shouldn't be millions of starving kids in the world either but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

'Oh they don't work, so they don't deserve food'.

Sex outside of marriage happens, and always, always will happen until the day this Earth becomes something else entirely and we aren't mortal anymore. That's the simple fact.

So what's the solution? Take away contraceptives and ban abortion in all circumstances?

I'm not promoting anything. If someone asks me, do I think promiscuous sex is a good idea, I'll say no. But jsut because I think that way and I've learnt my lessons, it doesn't mean everyone else has.

And it's hardly the good thing to take away someone's choice and leave them in a position with no options but to either; have a child they don't want, or refrain from their desires even though they clearly don't know how to.

 

[Porthos]

People don't have premarital sex just to spite christians and God, you know. It isn't some agenda that people set up. It's the human desire for human intimacy; something that with social media and the easy availability of digital communication, is a need that is becoming less frequently met.

There's more to it than 'they are sinners'. We all are. And we all came from being something else to being people who decided to follow God. Was anyone here forced into it? If so, I'm sorry that you were. But I don't think it should be forced, because that's not a good enough reason for faith.