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[Porthos]

And by the way, a large number of these pedophiles you are all talking about are actually men who don't have sex. Repressed sexual urges cause massive issues and getting a partner isn't always easy nowadays.

Sex is very much a human need; at least as far as close physical contact goes, and particularly after the teenage years. It starts to creep up the list of priorities in life, to get a partner and have kids.

The problem is sexual satisfaction is often a goal that's set above emotional satisfaction and having values. But taking away birth control isn't gonna make that any better. There'll just be more single moms and abortions.

 

[MidniteWelder]

Why do you assume people who have sex before marriage are spoilt?

Because they are partaking of what is only reserved for marriage without considering themselves married.
Taking something which is not rightfully theirs to have. Agreed though out of ignorance.
Very similar to someone accepting stolen goods yet ignorance has never been an excuse to disobey the law.
Yet Christ provided forgiveness for those that know not what they do once they accept him and follow him.
It is after knowing, when one really needs to accept any consequences without trying to escape since God is a just God.

Being uneducated and inexperiences isn't the same as being a spoilt brat.

Which brings me back to my point that educating the youth is more important than providing the easy path which leads to destruction.
What if these youth knew what you know now? The lessons you've learned could be portrayed to them. Don't you feel they would be far better off not only in wisdom but in maturity?
There are 3 paths to wisdom:
1. experience which is the most bitter, why allow a person especially youth the have to learn by making mistakes and not only that but even worse to encourage them to do so by providng them the very tools which lead to bitter experiences.
You yourself have just told of the bitter burning you experienced through bad rships. What if someone had taken you aside and enlightened you at the age of 10 or 12, dont you feel you would have at least recognized the early warning signs before going through the valley of the shadow?
2. the second and easiest path to wisdom is by imitation,(following anothers example) not so bitter,
3. reflection, thinking first(reading Gods word, pondering his thoughts and writing them upon our hearts) this being the most noble.

 

[Porthos]

Education. Exactly what I've been saying. BUt you're making out that these people deliberately say 'Oh God doesn't like sex before marriage, but I'm going to have sex anyway and screw him'.

That's not the case at all.

And my issue was that I was never given the kind of support and affection that I needed in life; so I soon refused to listen to adult advice. My parents would shout and blame and punish, and I always took adult advice as some form of personal attack, until I grew up. Sp teaching won't necissarily always work, and force most definitely will not.

Having sex because you don't think sex is wrong isn't the same as stealing goods from someone's home. Even the most criminally minded people know that stealing is wrong. There's a very small percentage of psychopaths that have a condition where they feel 'entitled' to whatever they lay their eyes on, but that's not the norm.

Sex is different int he minds of the masses; it's a sharing between two people. And it's also a giving. And it's also a harmless pastime to them too. People don't think twice about giving and sharing something with someone, or indulging in a recreational activity. It isn't the same as stealing.

I agree on education. That's what I've been saying in this thread constantly. People need to understand the value of sex and what it means, to be also safe and sensible about it. To learn that marriage is the perfect environment for it.

But you can't do that by taking away contraception. Contraception does NOT promote sex. A promiscuous society promotes sex, and contraception is a safeguard against promiscuous society.

But forcing people into ANYTHING, will not help matters. Aggressive tactics and strict laws, especially to a 'freedom' orientated society, will do nothing but cause anger for the majority.

The real solution is to keep giving out contraception when it is needed, and educating people about the value of sex, without all the condemnation and blame games. People turn a deaf ear to all of that.

And those who hear, will hear. And sooner or later, when people begin to realize the benefit of a diligently considered approach to sex; and the longevity and largely more stress-free kind of happiness that comes with it, society will begin to catch on and take a look at it's more overall approach to sexual promiscuity and the sexual, marriage and divorce problems that are inter-related with mental illness, abortion, underage pregnancy, sexual crime and spousal and familial murder or abuse.

 

[Porthos]

There will come a time where people will start to think for themselves and wise up to the fact that this kind of society is destructive, by their own initiative. It will come.

You think people are completely hard wired to be jumping into bed with one-another left right and centre but if I'm honest, humanity is becoming past that. They'll indulge it for a while and it'll all be fun and great and they'll deal with the consequences but sooner or later the tide shifts.

The individual will start to realize the effects of a promiscuous society, and as you say, a nudge in the right direction won't hurt.

But nothing comes from bullying and chasing and forcing and scaring people into submission.

 

[Porthos]

What I'm saying is; having lots of partners is highly over-rated anyway. Sexual promiscuity is a feminist fad. 'Oh look, we can sleep around. Let's do that'. 'Oh yea, we can get the guys and try them out before we buy them from the shop. If they don't fit sure lets move onto someone else'. And then people wonder why they get treated like shallow people.

it'll die out when women realize it's a big reason why a lot of modern women have severe emotional and mental issues, and have trouble in pciking good partners, and have trouble in keeping them.

And men'll realize it's no good whenever they catch on to the fact that (although this my sound sexist) women follow suit from what men do.

'They think they can sleep around all they like? Well darn it then women can do it too'.


Sex is over-rated.

 

[Porthos]

Think about it. When a woman has sex for the first time, or indeed a man, they almost all of the time (if it's their first time), fall in love with each other. That's not a coincidence. It's not some perk of human nature; it's deliberate and for a reason.

I've been a victim of being cheated on right. And there've been times where I have DESPISED women. And not just the women I was with that hurt me. I've thought to myself 'all women are promiscuous 'insert swearword here'' and I've put them down as shallow little creatures that can't control their own radical impulses.

And if I'm frank, there are women that are that way, some. Everything 'happens to them', rather than everything being a result of their own choices and mental responses. The same with men.

There are women out there who think it's okay to dump a man or to go sleeping around for two reasons;

1. Because society says they can, and
2. Because they think they deserve it if they aren't getting what they want.

And I don't blame women for that anymore. I blame the society that promotes that kind of mindset. I have had girlfriends who would rather cling to another branch and let go of the one they are holding on, instead of talking to me about any issues they have. They decide 'oh he's just not right for me', because, and this might upset some people, they want to climb up the ladder of male specimens.

Now that's controversial. But some men have it really messed up too.

Some men think it's okay to sleep with lots of women because women are beneath them somehow, like they are there to learn from and experiment with, but also men sleep around because modern society promotes the idea of sexual experience (with many partners) being more important than the idea of learning how to be wholly sexually compatible with one partner. And again, this part will offend people. But that idea is put out because of the emphasis that's put on how much of a Mount Everest being able to please a woman is in a partnership and also how important a man's sexual prowess and endowment has become to women and men around the world.

It works both ways. Men may demean women and all the rest, but honestly. The real issue is men and women being against each other in today's world. And in THESE respects, you're right about the 'me, me, me' mentality. Genders seem to be out for themselves nowadays.

That's an issue that eventually will be explored to the point where people realize the ways in which they contribute to the awful divorce rates and the people who walk around with a real hatred of the opposite sex.

Two young people sharing an intimate moment could be a beautiful thing; and that's the kind of sex you get in a pure, virgin marriage. Where two people don't take on society's preconceptions about sex.

The thing is, the whole thing is so convoluted and backwards today that the only solution is to let people come to the eventual conclusions about it all. If we can help someone, then we help. But gender forcing the other gender and gender demeaning the other gender only instills more sexist hatred.

Each gender is massively responsible for the issues of the other.

 

[TerminatorII]

Another thing that is being missed, is that this is a form of an abortion pill. What I mean is that if an egg is fertilized, then the pill prevents it from being able to implant in the womb.

If every conceived child has a soul why do so many pregnancies end up in miscarriage?

 

[Porthos]

If every conceived child has a soul why do so many pregnancies end up in miscarriage?

The same could be said about children who die as infants, or in fact any death on Earth.

If that man over there has a soul then how come he took a heart attack last week? It just happens.

 

[Fenner]

lol do you really think pedophiles are going to hand some girl money and tell them to go in the store and buy it? I'm sorry but that just sounds crazy to me. Girls who are aware of this drug and are concerned they might be preggo WILL find the money. Nothing to do with criminals or anything. A girls own decision to buy it.

I don't that's crazy at all. They kidnap people and lock them up for years. Example what just happened in Cleveland. I'm not saying we shouldn't have birth control because of pedophiles. But don't put anything past them, they'll do what it
takes to cover their crimes.

 

[Fenner]

If every conceived child has a soul why do so many pregnancies end up in miscarriage?

I had three of them, it was related to a lack of a certain hormone in my body.

 

[Kisses1990]

OK you originally said... I'd say being pregnant, and giving birth would complicate the 15 year olds life in far greater ways than taking a stupid pill. She wouldn't be prepared for the responsibilities and side effects of having a child of her own.... You seem to have gotten this backwards. Im Saying a lot of the posters here dont actually care about how it would complicate the 15 year olds life and are more concerned with the fetus than anything else.

Isn't that not only sad, but a little crazy too?? The fact that there are people out there that care more about some insignificant fetus than they do about a real live human that might be struggling tremendously. A 15 year old is still a CHILD. But a fetus is more important than that child? That seems very twisted and deranged to me....

 

[Fenner]

Isn't that not only sad, but a little crazy too?? The fact that there are people out there that care more about some insignificant fetus than they do about a real live human that might be struggling tremendously. A 15 year old is still a CHILD. But a fetus is more important than that child? That seems very twisted and deranged to me....

I agree that the child carrying the child should be loved and cared for. But an unborn fetus is not insignificant. It's a child of God. As soon I found I was pregnant I wanted to protect my baby. You where once a fetus. Aren't you glad no one called you insignificant?

 

[Kisses1990]

I don't that's crazy at all. They kidnap people and lock them up for years. Example what just happened in Cleveland. I'm not saying we shouldn't have birth control because of pedophiles. But don't put anything past them, they'll do what it
takes to cover their crimes.

Right now you are defending your thoughts by using an example that makes up something like 0.0001 percent of the population. Yes, people sometimes get kidnapped. And it is a terrible thing. But you make it seem like it's something that happens thousands of times every day. It's probably quite rare. Especially now days. Years ago, before internet, before dna evidence, before FBI and all that...it was a lot easier to get away with crimes. It's pretty hard now. Every business has a camera. Everyone is taping everything. Everyone has a cell phone.....with gps and trackers. It's very hard to get lost out of the system now. We might never have another Gacy or Ted Bundy because of the age we live in. They lived at the perfect time for them---when it was still easy to get away with stuff. It's harder than ever now.

 

[Kisses1990]

I agree that the child carrying the child should be loved and cared for. But an unborn fetus is not insignificant. It's a child of God. As soon I found I was pregnant I wanted to protect my baby. You where once a fetus. Aren't you glad no one called you insignificant?

Not really, because it wouldn't have mattered at all. Had I been aborted, I wouldn't have even known. The consciousness of a fetus, depending on how old, etc... is extremely limited, if anything.

Not to get off topic and start yet another abortion debate, but all I'm saying is that there are, and should be, priorities. And I think something is wrong with ANYONE who seriously cares more about a fetus than a young child. Mothers don't count. They might indeed care more about their soon-to-be baby than themselves. But as far as the rest of the world goes, if there are seriously people out there that care more about OTHER peoples fetuses, than children in the real world living today and suffering....well, that is a big problem I think.

And again, I don't mean to change topic, but whether you are for abortion or not, if you believe in God, there must be a small part of you that realizes the aborted fetus gets an easy ride. They would go immediately to the Father in Heaven without even dealing with this messed up world. You could concur that they are lucky. They get a free ticket into Heaven because of their death at such a young age.

 

[MissCris]

This thread is about 10 different kinds of really messed up at this point. My stomach is literally upset reading some of these posts.

 

[MidniteWelder]

This thread is about 10 different kinds of really messed up at this point.

Most peoples scale goes from 1 to 10
I think they're trying to take it to Eleven

Have something for ur tummy MissCris

 

[MidniteWelder]

Not really, because it wouldn't have mattered at all. Had I been aborted, I wouldn't have even known. The consciousness of a fetus, depending on how old, etc... is extremely limited, if anything.

Not to get off topic and start yet another abortion debate, but all I'm saying is that there are, and should be, priorities. And I think something is wrong with ANYONE who seriously cares more about a fetus than a young child. Mothers don't count. They might indeed care more about their soon-to-be baby than themselves. But as far as the rest of the world goes, if there are seriously people out there that care more about OTHER peoples fetuses, than children in the real world living today and suffering....well, that is a big problem I think.

And again, I don't mean to change topic, but whether you are for abortion or not, if you believe in God, there must be a small part of you that realizes the aborted fetus gets an easy ride. They would go immediately to the Father in Heaven without even dealing with this messed up world. You could concur that they are lucky. They get a free ticket into Heaven because of their death at such a young age.

After you have a kid of your own and enjoy watching it grow up in front of your eyes,
would you come tell us the same?

 

[Fenner]

Right now you are defending your thoughts by using an example that makes up something like 0.0001 percent of the population. Yes, people sometimes get kidnapped. And it is a terrible thing. But you make it seem like it's something that happens thousands of times every day. It's probably quite rare. Especially now days. Years ago, before internet, before dna evidence, before FBI and all that...it was a lot easier to get away with crimes. It's pretty hard now. Every business has a camera. Everyone is taping everything. Everyone has a cell phone.....with gps and trackers. It's very hard to get lost out of the system now. We might never have another Gacy or Ted Bundy because of the age we live in. They lived at the perfect time for them---when it was still easy to get away with stuff. It's harder than ever now.

you're kidding right? Children teens and adults are kidnapped everyday.

 

[jinx]

Right now you are defending your thoughts by using an example that makes up something like 0.0001 percent of the population. Yes, people sometimes get kidnapped. And it is a terrible thing. But you make it seem like it's something that happens thousands of times every day. It's probably quite rare. Especially now days. Years ago, before internet, before dna evidence, before FBI and all that...it was a lot easier to get away with crimes. It's pretty hard now. Every business has a camera. Everyone is taping everything. Everyone has a cell phone.....with gps and trackers. It's very hard to get lost out of the system now. We might never have another Gacy or Ted Bundy because of the age we live in. They lived at the perfect time for them---when it was still easy to get away with stuff. It's harder than ever now.

your misinformed. Time for you to get informed......

Reports of missing persons have increased sixfold in the past 25 years, from roughly 150,000 in 1980 to about 900,000 this year. The increase was driven in part by the country's growing population. But the numbers also indicate that law enforcement treats the cases more seriously now, including those of marginalized citizens.
An astounding 2,300 Americans are reported missing every day, including both adults and children.
But only a tiny fraction of those are stereotypical abductions or kidnappings by a stranger.
For example, the federal government counted 840,279 missing persons cases in 2001. All but about 50,000 were juveniles, classified as anyone younger than 18.
The National Center for Missing Adults, based in Phoenix, consistently tracks about 48,000 "active cases," says president Kym Pasqualini, although that number has been bumped up by nearly 11,000 reports of persons missing after this year's hurricanes.
In a phone interview, Pasqualini said a breakdown of the 48,000 cases reveals the democratic nature of America's missing persons.
Slightly more than half—about 25,500—of the missing are men. About four out of 10 missing adults are white, three of 10 black and two of 10 Latino.
Among missing adults, about one-sixth have psychiatric problems. Young men, people with drug or alcohol addictions and elderly citizens suffering from dementia make up other significant subgroups of missing adults.
About half of the roughly 800,000 missing juvenile cases in 2001 involved runaways, and another 200,000 were classified as family abductions related to domestic or custody disputes.
Only about 100 missing-child reports each year fit the profile of a stereotypical abduction by a stranger or vague acquaintance.
Two-thirds of those victims are ages 12 to 17, and among those eight out of 10 are white females, according to a Justice Department study. Nearly 90 percent of the abductors are men, and they sexually assault their victims in half of the cases.

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To further complicate categorization of cases, the FBI designates some missing-person incidents—both adult and juvenile—that seem most dire as "endangered" or "involuntary."
For example, the agency deemed Taylor Behl, the 17-year-old college student missing in Richmond, Va., to be endangered. More than 100,000 missing persons, the vast majority of them children, are designated as endangered each year. About 30,000 are deemed involuntary.

 

[my_adonai_]

Murder over Fear of Responsibility or readyness for Responsibility
i would definetly choose neither..