5 Atheist Questions Christans Can't Answer

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There are no contradictory verses in the Bible. That was the premise of the website. Everything stated on the page I linked is backed up with Scripture. If it's wrong, please explain.
A simple Google search came up with these few:

[h=3]God good to all, or just a few?[/h] PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
[Editor's note: Some readers have raised an objection to this alleged contradiction. They point out that PSA 145:20 states that The Lord keeps all who love Him, but that He will destroy the wicked. In other words, some see no contradiction between "The Lord is good to all" and JER 13:14. Others contend, however, that even if the Lord destroys the wicked he could do so with compassion, pity, and mercy. Further, there are biblical examples that indicate that the Lord is not necessarily "good" or merciful--even to those who are not wicked. One such example is Job. As one reader points out, "If Psalm 145:9 was not a contradiction of Psalm 145:20 or Jeremiah 13:14, it would read something like this: "The LORD is good to all, except the wicked: and his tender mercies are over all his works, except when He is punishing the wicked." In any case, the idea that the Lord is good and merciful is contradicted by countless examples in the Bible where God orders the destruction of infants, personally kills David's infant child, etc.]
[HR][/HR] [h=3]War or Peace?[/h] EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
[HR][/HR] [h=3]Who is the father of Joseph?[/h] MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
[HR][/HR] [h=3]Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it:[/h] MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
[HR][/HR] [h=3]Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?[/h] JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.
JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
[HR][/HR] [h=3]Which first--beasts or man?[/h] GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
[HR][/HR] [h=3]How many stalls and horsemen?[/h] 1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.
2CH 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.
[HR][/HR] [h=3]Is it folly to be wise or not?[/h] PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
1CO 1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."
[HR][/HR] [h=3]Human vs. ghostly impregnation[/h] ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
[HR][/HR] [h=3]The sins of the father[/h] ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
[HR][/HR] [h=3]Rabbits do not chew their cud[/h] LEV 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
"Gerah," the term which appears in the MT means (chewed) cud, and also perhaps grain, or berry (also a 20th of a sheckel, but I think that we can agree that that is irrelevant here). It does *not* mean dung, and there is a perfectly adequate Hebrew word for that, which could have been used. Furthermore, the phrase translated "chew the cud" in the KJV is more exactly "bring up the cud." Rabbits do not bring up anything; they let it go all the way through, then eat it again. The description given in Leviticus is inaccurate, and that's that. Rabbits do eat their own dung; they do not bring anything up and chew on it.
[HR][/HR] [h=3]Fowl from waters or ground?[/h] GEN 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
GEN 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
[HR][/HR] [h=3]Odd genetics[/h] GEN 30:39 And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted.
[HR][/HR] [h=3]The shape of the earth[/h] ISA 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
MAT 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Astronomical bodies are spherical, and you cannot see the entire exterior surface from anyplace. The kingdoms of Egypt, China, Greece, Crete, sections of Asia Minor, India, Maya (in Mexico), Carthage (North Africa), Rome (Italy), Korea, and other settlements from these kingdoms of the world were widely distributed.
[HR][/HR] [h=3]Snakes, while built low, do not eat dirt[/h] GEN 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
[HR][/HR] [h=3]Earth supported?[/h] JOB 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
JOB 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
[h=3]Heaven supported too[/h] JOB 26:11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.
[HR][/HR] [h=3]The hydrological cycle[/h] ECC 1:7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.
JOB 38:22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,
Storehouses are not part of the cycle
[HR][/HR] [h=3]Order of creation[/h] Here is the order in the first (Genesis 1), the Priestly tradition:
Day 1: Sky, Earth, light
Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!)
Day 3: Plants
Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids)
Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies (reptiles, insects, etc.)
Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time)
Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)
Note that there are "days," "evenings," and "mornings" before the Sun was created. Here, the Deity is referred to as "Elohim," which is a plural, thus the literal translation, "the Gods." In this tale, the Gods seem satisfied with what they have done, saying after each step that "it was good."
The second one (Genesis 2), the Yahwist tradition, goes:
Earth and heavens (misty)
Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth)
Plants
Animals
Eve, the first woman (from Adam's rib)
[HR][/HR] How orderly were things created?
#1: Step-by-step. The only discrepancy is that there is no Sun or Moon or stars on the first three "days."
#2: God fixes things up as he goes. The first man is lonely, and is not satisfied with animals. God finally creates a woman for him. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)
[HR][/HR] How satisfied with creation was he?
#1: God says "it was good" after each of his labors, and rests on the seventh day, evidently very satisfied.
#2: God has to fix up his creation as he goes, and he would certainly not be very satisfied with the disobedience of that primordial couple. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)
[HR][/HR] [h=3]Moses' personality[/h] NUM 12:3: "Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth."
NUM 31:14, 17, 18: "And Moses was wroth...And Moses said unto them, "Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman, ... But all the women children ... keep alive for yourselves."
[HR][/HR] [h=3]Righteous live?[/h] PSA 92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."
ISA 57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."
[HR][/HR] ACT 1:18: "Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."
MAT 27:5-7: "And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests...bought with them the potter's field."
[HR][/HR] [h=3]Jesus' first sermon plain or mount?[/h] MAT 5:1,2: "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying...."

LUK 6:17,20: "And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people...came to hear him.. And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said..."
[HR][/HR] [h=3]Jesus' last words[/h] MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."
LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."
JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
[HR][/HR] [h=3]Years of famine[/h] II SAMUEL 24:13: So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee?
I CHRONICLES 21:11: SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;
[HR][/HR] [h=3]Moved David to anger?[/h] II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
[HR][/HR] [h=3]The GENEALOGY OF JESUS?[/h] In two places in the New Testament the genealogy of Jesus son of Mary is mentioned. MAT 1:6-16 and LUK 3:23-31. Each gives the ancestors of Joseph the CLAIMED husband of Mary and Step father of Jesus. The first one starts from Abraham(verse 2) all the way down to Jesus. The second one from Jesus all the way back to Adam. The only common name to these two lists between David and Jesus is JOSEPH, How can this be true? and also How can Jesus have a genealogy when all Muslims and most Christians believe that Jesus had/has no father.
[HR][/HR] [h=3]God be seen?[/h] EXO 24:9,10; AMO 9:1; GEN 26:2; and JOH 14:9
God CAN be seen:
"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (EXO 33:23)
"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (EXO 33:11)
"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (GEN 32:30)
God CANNOT be seen:
"No man hath seen God at any time." (JOH 1:18)
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (EXO 33:20)
"Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1TIM 6:16)
[HR][/HR] [h=3]CRUEL, UNMERCIFUL, DESTRUCTIVE, and FEROCIOUS or KIND, MERCIFUL, and GOOD:[/h] "I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy." (JER 13:14) "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling."
"The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy." (JAS 5:11)
"For his mercy endureth forever." (1CH 16:34)
"The Lord is good to all, and his tender mercies are over all his works." (PSA 145:9)
"God is love." (1JO 4:16)
[HR][/HR] [h=3]Tempts?[/h] "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham." (GEN 22:1)
"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (JAS 1:13)
[HR][/HR] [h=3]Judas died how?[/h] "And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself." (MAT 27:5)
"And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out." (ACT 1:18)
[HR][/HR] [h=3]Ascend to heaven[/h] "And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2KI 2:11)
"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man." (JOH 3:13)
[HR][/HR] [h=3]What was Jesus' prediction regarding Peter's denial?[/h] Before the cock crow - MAT 26:34
Before the cock crow twice - MAR 14:30
[HR][/HR] [h=3]How many times did the cock crow?[/h] MAR 14:72 And the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept.
MAT 26:74 Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew.
MAT 26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.
LUK 22:60 And Peter said, Man, I know not what thou sayest. And immediately, while he yet spake, the cock crew.
LUK 22:61 And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
JOH 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, still thou hast denied me thrice.
JOH 18:27 Peter then denied again: and immediately the cock crew.
[HR][/HR] [h=3]How many beatitudes in the Sermon on the Mount[/h] MAT 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
MAT 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
MAT 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
MAT 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
MAT 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
MAT 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
MAT 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
MAT 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
MAT 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
LUK 6:20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
LUK 6:21 Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.
LUK 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
LUK 6:23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.
[HR][/HR] [h=3]Does every man sin?[/h] 1KI 8:46 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;
2CH 6:36 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;
PRO 20:9 Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?
ECC 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
JO1 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
JO1 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
JO1 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
JO1 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
 
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A simple Google search came up with these few:
1. How do you call yourself a Christian?
2. A good number of those "contradictions" are shot down on the first site I posted.
3. A simple google search will find you Christian sites that debunk the rest of those nonsensical "contradictions."
 
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1. How do you call yourself a Christian?
2. A good number of those "contradictions" are shot down on the first site I posted.
3. A simple google search will find you Christian sites that debunk the rest of those nonsensical "contradictions."
So basically you're saying its too hard I don't want to.

You'll never admit this in your current state of mind, but you don't care about proof at all.

We're done here.
 
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1. How do you call yourself a Christian?
2. A good number of those "contradictions" are shot down on the first site I posted.
3. A simple google search will find you Christian sites that debunk the rest of those nonsensical "contradictions."
Please avoid ad hominem attacks. I will see if the website clears up the contradictions.
How many people went to Jesus' tomb?

Mark 16 - Three women visit Jesus’ tomb: Mary Magdalene, a second Mary, & Salome, and they arrive after sunrise, and see that the stone was rolled away, then they see an angel (only one) sitting in the tomb.

Matthew 28 - Two women visit Jesus’ tomb: Mary Magdalene & another Mary, and they arrive at about dawn, they feel an earthquake, then see an angel (only one) coming down from heaven and rolling away the stone in front of the tomb.

Luke 24 - At least five women visit Jesus’ tomb: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, Joanna, & “other women”, and they arrive at early in the morning, and they see the stone had already been rolled away & see two angels/men suddenly appearing beside them.

John 20 - One woman visits Jesus’ tomb: Mary Magdalene and it is morning when she arrives. When she sees that the stone was rolled away, she immediately runs to find Peter. Peter didn't see anyone, so he left. Mary hangs around crying, then two angels appear inside the tomb, then Jesus appears to her.
 
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Like I said, half of those I already shot down.

Genesis 1:11-13 vs. Genesis 2:4-9
Genesis 1:25-27 vs. Genesis 2:18-19
Genesis 1:27 vs. Genesis 2:21-23
Exodus 15:3 vs. Romans 15:33
Matthew vs. Mark vs. Luke vs. John
Matthew 1:16 vs. Luke 3:23
Matthew 27:5 vs. Acts 1:18


How about you start by admitting those aren't contradictions. Until then, I don't care to waste my time on those who refuse to listen.
You have not provided a single scrap of refutation so far.
 
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Like I said, half of those I already shot down.

Genesis 1:11-13 vs. Genesis 2:4-9
Genesis 1:25-27 vs. Genesis 2:18-19
Genesis 1:27 vs. Genesis 2:21-23
Exodus 15:3 vs. Romans 15:33
Matthew vs. Mark vs. Luke vs. John
Matthew 1:16 vs. Luke 3:23
Matthew 27:5 vs. Acts 1:18


How about you start by admitting those aren't contradictions. Until then, I don't care to waste my time on those who refuse to listen.
Shouldn't the Word of God just make sense without all these explanations?
 
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Shouldn't the Word of God just make sense without all these explanations?
Imagine: asking a question like that and awaiting an explanation. :p

Does anything in life make sense without an explanation?
 
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You have not provided a single scrap of refutation so far.
You have to click the links, read them, comprehend them, stop refusing to understand, and open your mind for once. I can't do any of those things for you.
 

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Well thats all dandy and all, but I don't see love in rapists marrying their victims and paying 50 or so sheckles to their father. You're saying well hey the law is great now can't we all just love each other and sort of forget that messed up past. It reminds me a tad of the current and past catholic church.

Throwing all evidence of existing or not I will never worship a being that did something like that, in addition to commanding genocide.
What can one do about past events whether good or bad? Reality is reality, I am today going through my own travail of things that have happened that I do not view as fair, and am sure you might be too
Now tell me a Rapist did what the Rapist did, are you saying that Rapist does not owe restitution? Are yousaying he /she should just get away with it and not be accountable?
wrong doing is wrong doing that is why their is law in place for the Law breakers, not the ones that believe in christ because the Law is filled in the ones that actually do believe, have recieved compassion and Mercy and thus obey from their heart and do not Rape, cheat, steal, or kill. We the beleivers uphold the Law
Anyway sounds as if this is going nowhere. You are free to believe as you want to, but as a person focuses (thinks) so they are, and many things like anger derive from it, and other emotions too. Emotional outcomes can not be controlled only thoughts can be changed which in essence control emotional oputbursts. God did not do this man did and does, God has been reaching out to man and man just does not listen to a Merciful God, because man only sees the trouble and acts on it with killing, stealing, and trying to control others to not do this or that. This why Christ went to the cross willingly, Christ never had to go for himself, so Grey he went there for you, to start a new life in you, me and all else who willseek truth out to be free. It is that simple, and man again has made it hard
Love you Grey
 

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I'm not denying god by all means, I'm denying Yahweh as much as I am denying unicorns and faries.
I didn't come to this site as an agnostic atheist in 2009, I spent most of my life as a Christian. I became an agnostic atheist when I sought to rationalize me belief to give it evidence only to find none. And if your god did exist he'd be a tyrant, if Yahweh spoke to you right now and said KILL your neighbor as I commanded the Israelites to kill the Cannanites would you do it?
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!! waht happened so bad that it turned youagainst God, what person(s) did you this wrong, I remember for me it was a church setting that WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! preached Christ but did just like back in Christ's day hypocrites traveling
Matthew 23:15“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

this happened to me but I knew God was not this as they were presenting God to be. Now thoughts came into my head if God is like this this as these people have shown me then I want nothing to do with God. But I saw through it is and was mankind always seeking forthemselves and not caring fortheir neighbor, just as in the time of Noah.
Now Christ came as the propitiation for our sins to bring the ones that believe back to a new life of Love not self seeking anymore, now having love fortheir neighbor as theirself
 

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God certainly has commanded holy murder in his name before, perhaps you're wondering why all the Cannanites just sorta died?
Is it possible, that they as well as us deserve death period? is it possible that these cananites were evil beyond your wildest dreams
In Noah's time
Genesis 6:11-13
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence. [SUP]12 [/SUP]God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. [SUP]13 [/SUP]So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth.

now god has been trying to help us all along from day one God had Mercy on Adam and Eve and clothed them
Now even though all these people died and deserved death when Christ came did what Christ did he did this
[h=3]Romans 3:24-26[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

This is for all and to all a pardon as if the president of the US gave you a written pardon and after you recieve this pardonyou are to love your neighbor as self, where you consider all parties involved to who what you might do may harm before you act on any given thought
Yu are pardoned and this is what Christ did to all those Spirits that had died in the flood,he pardoned them as well if they would believe in Christ, and those that did or dotoday are pardoned and this is not for more sins, evil, to do. It is not an excuse for sin as many have taken it this way, but it is not to be this way.
Again the problem is the unrepentant man that masquerades as being good when he is not, and this is waht hurts or harms the Gospel. GOD is plainly LOVE and man as I see it has gotten in the way and you are blaming GOD, when it is the people that you have experienced
 

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Matthew 7:1-5 - Judge not, that ye be not judged.

I'd love to listen to you all day, but if the logic ain't sound, and I don't agree with anyone or anything that permitted child murder or marrying your rapist, I suppose thats my crime to you.

I spent a year reading the bible for myself, and before I attempted to rationalize my faith and abide by logic and science whilst also being Christian I deluded myself into believing that the earth was 6,000 old and that dinosaurs coexisted with man. I did exactly what you said I shut up my ears and eyes and went LA LA LA to any and all scientific reasoning that contradicted my faith in Jesus Christ. I left the church because I didn't think Martin Luther was a good guy because of what he said about Anti-Semitism near the end of his life. I was a bible literalist for 4 years and a Lutheran with my family in the years before that. Next time try to be a better judge of a persons past, or perhaps follow your own books advice.


I leave you with this, if you were an ancient Israelite, would you be okay with Old Testament Law? Or committing genocide in the name of god?
I personally would be stressed out over all of it, maybe seek God personally maybe not bering caught up under Law having to sacrifice year after year for my sins to be transferred from me to the animal, always being reminded of my failure(s) not good a lot of stress.
But today under the new covenant of love through the cross we are freed to love God's type 1 cor 13:4-13
Hebrews a great book to read and see we are in a new covenant, under new laws, the laws of LOVE, and under a new Priesthood
Hebrews 9:15-17 reveals that we are in a new covenant after the death of Christ
Problem i see today is man mixing Old Law and new Laws together as if the two mix.
Does oil and water mix? Can one make the two to appear as if they do? Why yes by mixing it up in a glass and as it is stirred it appears to mix, which is what man is doing and confusing many others. Now when the glass is settleddown the two seperate showing they do not mix
We are today under the Law of Love God's shown way via the cross where Christ died for the sins of the whole world
John 1:29 is the witness for this to be as it is today. Forgiven by God at the cross, then next he came back tolife which secures the cross and this resurrction is for us those of us that believe to have new life by this resurrection here and now. It is very clear in romans 6 about this transformation done by God through belief
Anyway, believe as you will you have free choice, if you don't see waht is being revealed it is okay, just not time yet and I do love you as God does.
 

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Somehow I wouldn't be okay with killing babies
King Herod did this and the Egyptians did this out of wanting to be in control God themself. Somehow you do not see man as the culprit as man wanting to be in charge and not seeing God who gave free choice as trying to tell us to turn away from being selfish and love each other, and if god did take away free choice then we would nothing rther than puppets and God who is not a liar could not claim that God loves us if we had no free choice
 

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Shouldn't the Word of God just make sense without all these explanations?
It is only by the Spirit of God that truth is revealed and the ones that believe without wrong motive this is revealed to by God

God wishes for us to just come to him in simplicity and God will reveal truth and one will see as god sees where there are not contradictions at all

"Comfort Me by letting Me know that you would see Me just to dwell in My Presence. Not for teaching, not for material gain, not even for a message, but for Me. The longing of the human heart to be loved for itself is something caught from the Great Divine Heart."

The truth is only Spiritually discerned by God toyouthe one that seeks Mercy from God gets it, and this is based on what ones motive is to whether or not they will recieve and this is not Judging

Lesson your judgement of others. You never see the whole picture. Never.
there are 1,000 reasons a person can behave a particular way. You don't know what is going on in their movie that motivates them to act in that way. You never know how you'd behave if you were in their shoes. Today little by little, learn to be more forgiving. Learn to where you can come from a place of help, rather than Judgement.
 
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1. If god created the universe, how was god created?
2. If Christianity disagrees with Darwinism, but it has been looked into extensively, and proven correct, how come Chrictianity still disagrees with it?
3. If souls are supposed to be pure when it commits ruighteous actions, why is that definition so blurred and causing so many problems?
4. If god created humanity, why do so few people not know it when he bestowed us the knowledge to realize it?
Someone better tell me all the beliefs of Christians and atheists, because I haven't read the bible and I don't know all I should. I plan in having a major corporation and I need to know that if religion gets in my way whether I should brush it off or not. I'm confused and atheism and chrustianity are having world war three in my head. Should I be a the major tech wiz for the christians ir the atheists? You both have good points, and also some christians are heavily discriminist, and I don't want to be part if their faith if the atheists score a major point.
 
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1. If god created the universe, how was god created?
2. If Christianity disagrees with Darwinism, but it has been looked into extensively, and proven correct, how come Chrictianity still disagrees with it?
3. If souls are supposed to be pure when it commits ruighteous actions, why is that definition so blurred and causing so many problems?
4. If god created humanity, why do so few people not know it when he bestowed us the knowledge to realize it?
Someone better tell me all the beliefs of Christians and atheists, because I haven't read the bible and I don't know all I should. I plan in having a major corporation and I need to know that if religion gets in my way whether I should brush it off or not. I'm confused and atheism and chrustianity are having world war three in my head. Should I be a the major tech wiz for the christians ir the atheists? You both have good points, and also some christians are heavily discriminist, and I don't want to be part if their faith if the atheists score a major point.
We are to defend our faith, but belief and faith comes from God, not man. We are not to argue with non believers. We are to give the Word. If they deny God, that is their choice and their responsibility, not ours. God is the creator or faith and all men have their 'grain' of faith given to them by God. That grows, through obedience to God, it withers in denial of their creator.
Darwin.....Theory of evolution, not fact. Theory.
We are given free will, God calls all to know Him, in which way we answer that call is our free choice.
If you desire to know the beliefs of Christians, God will tell you. He is not confused, man often is :) Read the Bible, asking with an open heart to know Him. He will reveal Himself to those who seek Him in truth.
God Bless all who seek Him and may we know that it may take many years for the seeds planted, to bloom. We can have confidence that although a man may say never.....he is not the ultimate authority. God is.
In His name, <><
 

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1. If god created the universe, how was god created?
2. If Christianity disagrees with Darwinism, but it has been looked into extensively, and proven correct, how come Chrictianity still disagrees with it?
3. If souls are supposed to be pure when it commits ruighteous actions, why is that definition so blurred and causing so many problems?
4. If god created humanity, why do so few people not know it when he bestowed us the knowledge to realize it?
Someone better tell me all the beliefs of Christians and atheists, because I haven't read the bible and I don't know all I should. I plan in having a major corporation and I need to know that if religion gets in my way whether I should brush it off or not. I'm confused and atheism and chrustianity are having world war three in my head. Should I be a the major tech wiz for the christians ir the atheists? You both have good points, and also some christians are heavily discriminist, and I don't want to be part if their faith if the atheists score a major point.
No matter what this to me is not a competitional game score, score , score.
You choose, for me I came to the point no matter waht others think and or say I found out GODJUSTLOVEME, you, you and you, and all if only they would take the time to quit playing, Church, one upmanship, and being in competition, God is just waiting patiently to show you that God just love you, shown by him and son at the cross
Romans 5:6For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Romans 5:8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 6:10For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Romans 8:34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Now this is love beyond anything this world can or could ever offer