That's not what I said,I asked it as a question to get us to think. Are some looking for the experience and not Jesus? It's nothing new if ones knows what Jesus told them when they were looking for Him to do signs and wonders,He told them no because they wanted the signs and wonders. Nothing new under the sun. So where did I judge them? Basically all I was saying is we need to examine ourselves. It's a question one really should asking themselves.
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let's follow the logic.
let's see the revised canon including the trillions of dreams and visions God is using for the church.
where is it?
if the dreams and visions are not exactly like, and for the same purpose as those already revealed - people need to stop claiming they are.
who is denying believers are having dreams?
the problem is when believers claim God told them in person this or that.
if anyone doesn't see the extreme danger in that, what is there to say?
some of them are.
and they know it.
others have been encouraged to claim God is speaking directly through them.
consequently we have God said a trillion different things, ongoing revelation, none of which matches.
all subjectivity.
and most are just sharing what they feel and attributing it to God and thanking him for it.
mostly harmless.
unbelief?
let's see continuation of Biblical dreams and visions per scripture.
where's the beef?
who says He doesn't?
anyone please produce the continuation of Divinely ordained dreams and visions per the prophets and person in the recorded testimony of scripture.
what is God saying TODAY?
watch for a 7 year tribulation?
why would He say that?
it's so ironic....the evangelicals who denounce Rome and other 'apostolic succession' institutions are the very ones who claim the same things the POPE does - direct ongoing revelation from God. authority on par with scripture.
paint it any way you like, that's what you have.
let's see the revised canon including the trillions of dreams and visions God is using for the church.
where is it?
if the dreams and visions are not exactly like, and for the same purpose as those already revealed - people need to stop claiming they are.
who is denying believers are having dreams?
the problem is when believers claim God told them in person this or that.
if anyone doesn't see the extreme danger in that, what is there to say?
some of them are.
and they know it.
others have been encouraged to claim God is speaking directly through them.
consequently we have God said a trillion different things, ongoing revelation, none of which matches.
all subjectivity.
and most are just sharing what they feel and attributing it to God and thanking him for it.
mostly harmless.
unbelief?
let's see continuation of Biblical dreams and visions per scripture.
where's the beef?
who says He doesn't?
anyone please produce the continuation of Divinely ordained dreams and visions per the prophets and person in the recorded testimony of scripture.
what is God saying TODAY?
watch for a 7 year tribulation?
why would He say that?
it's so ironic....the evangelicals who denounce Rome and other 'apostolic succession' institutions are the very ones who claim the same things the POPE does - direct ongoing revelation from God. authority on par with scripture.
paint it any way you like, that's what you have.
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maggie, where did you get all this from?
this dream warring stuff?
Peter Wagner?
ya...the online dream interpreters course.
Maggie - who are you to make this proclamation: "Your friend is has a prophetic gift FROM GOD, but his 'antennea' is tuned to the wrong channel. He is a 'seer as was Samuel, the prophet. "?
and this:
"It is a MESSAGE so that YOU can take action and become the overcomer you were created to be."
do you have any clue what can happen to a new or confused believer when you tell them dreams are messages?
think it through maggie.
....
William Branham, mentioned earlier, became a key figure of the Latter Rain movement and is still revered by many. It was said that he accurately, in thousands of instances, gave detailed information about people of which he had no natural means of knowing. Interpreting this ability as “words of knowledge” (1Corin. 12), his followers were convinced that it was a sign that he was a great prophet of God. Branham claimed to have a personal angel who taught him and gave him revelations. He claimed that this angel told him that he was the Elijah who would come before the return of Christ. He also claimed to be the messenger of the Laodicean church. He is buried under a pyramid that makes that claim.13 Branham rejected the doctrine of the Trinity. Branham demonstrated one thing conclusively: that restoration movements like the Latter Rain so lust for prophets who can do signs and wonders that they will accept nearly any heresy or outrageous claim as long as it is accompanied by signs and miracles.
Critical Issues Commentary: The Roots and Fruits of the New Apostolic Reformation < click
this dream warring stuff?
Peter Wagner?
ya...the online dream interpreters course.
Maggie - who are you to make this proclamation: "Your friend is has a prophetic gift FROM GOD, but his 'antennea' is tuned to the wrong channel. He is a 'seer as was Samuel, the prophet. "?
and this:
"It is a MESSAGE so that YOU can take action and become the overcomer you were created to be."
do you have any clue what can happen to a new or confused believer when you tell them dreams are messages?
think it through maggie.
....
William Branham, mentioned earlier, became a key figure of the Latter Rain movement and is still revered by many. It was said that he accurately, in thousands of instances, gave detailed information about people of which he had no natural means of knowing. Interpreting this ability as “words of knowledge” (1Corin. 12), his followers were convinced that it was a sign that he was a great prophet of God. Branham claimed to have a personal angel who taught him and gave him revelations. He claimed that this angel told him that he was the Elijah who would come before the return of Christ. He also claimed to be the messenger of the Laodicean church. He is buried under a pyramid that makes that claim.13 Branham rejected the doctrine of the Trinity. Branham demonstrated one thing conclusively: that restoration movements like the Latter Rain so lust for prophets who can do signs and wonders that they will accept nearly any heresy or outrageous claim as long as it is accompanied by signs and miracles.
Critical Issues Commentary: The Roots and Fruits of the New Apostolic Reformation < click
why would i refrain from posting on the topic?
this is a Christian forum.
the vision dreams and languages in the Christian scriptures have nothing to do with this other stuff.
am i not going to say so?
since when do i have to agree?
people really need to wake up and stop mocking the Holy Spirit, Katy.
why isn't there ever the clear distinction made between what Benny Hinn does and anybody else doing exactly the same thing?
we are told there is "abuse" of the "gifts" - supposedly Hinn is one who abuses.
what's the diffference between what he does and any of this other stuff?
nothing. no difference.
really?
then there should never be any confusion at all about dreams.
they should be completely authoritative.
directly from the lips of God Himself.
are they?
do they?
Maggie claims to have the gift of interpreting dreams. is she right?
if Maggie has that authority, is she not equal to Paul or Peter?
what about Sally or John or Suzie?
which one is right?
can Maggie interpret your dreams?
should she?
do your dreams have an authoritative; unquestionably divinely sanctioned message for another Christian? how about for the church?
in that case, what's the difference between your dream and a papal bull?
no difference.
a direct message from God is equal in authority to His word.
this is a Christian forum.
the vision dreams and languages in the Christian scriptures have nothing to do with this other stuff.
am i not going to say so?
since when do i have to agree?
people really need to wake up and stop mocking the Holy Spirit, Katy.
why isn't there ever the clear distinction made between what Benny Hinn does and anybody else doing exactly the same thing?
we are told there is "abuse" of the "gifts" - supposedly Hinn is one who abuses.
what's the diffference between what he does and any of this other stuff?
nothing. no difference.
really?
then there should never be any confusion at all about dreams.
they should be completely authoritative.
directly from the lips of God Himself.
are they?
do they?
Maggie claims to have the gift of interpreting dreams. is she right?
if Maggie has that authority, is she not equal to Paul or Peter?
what about Sally or John or Suzie?
which one is right?
can Maggie interpret your dreams?
should she?
do your dreams have an authoritative; unquestionably divinely sanctioned message for another Christian? how about for the church?
in that case, what's the difference between your dream and a papal bull?
no difference.
a direct message from God is equal in authority to His word.
Acts 2
1When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. 2And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
c 30AD
1When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. 2And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
c 30AD
SteveStephen speaks truth and, the Lord leads, but MANY, SEEING HIS POWER OF HIM IN HIM, WANT TO DESTROY HIM AND THAT IS STRAIGHT DESTRUCTION BY THE PRINCIPALITIES AND POWER OF EVIL IN THIS WORLD 
bUT, SS, despite being 'stoned,' knows that God took care of David so the stones going at Him are either missing or being deflected by the mighty hand of God. Our GOD is an AWESOME God !
Get it, persecutors, even Christian persecutors of stephen , quit doing it, your ultimately going to be 'stoning' yourself
bUT, SS, despite being 'stoned,' knows that God took care of David so the stones going at Him are either missing or being deflected by the mighty hand of God. Our GOD is an AWESOME God !
Get it, persecutors, even Christian persecutors of stephen , quit doing it, your ultimately going to be 'stoning' yourself
maybe i'll whip out the persecution card for all the nonsense dished out by false prophets!
prophets - i'm starting a thread. please come and be tested.
zone.
can you document this anywhere Maggie?
where do you get the authority to make this claim?
why are some people such dualists?
why do you give satan so much authority?
God is sending messages in the night to tell the believer how to "cancel an assignment from hell"?
BACK THIS UP.
does satan have any assignment not allowed by God in the first place, maggie?
let's see what you really believe.
and how on earth are we supposed to know who is who?
they got a diploma?
take one dream and 10 interpreters and you have 10 interpretations.
sound familiar?
who is giving "words of knowledge today maggie"?
what is "words of knowledge"?
"God says _______ "?
where do you get the authority to make this claim?
why are some people such dualists?
why do you give satan so much authority?
God is sending messages in the night to tell the believer how to "cancel an assignment from hell"?
BACK THIS UP.
does satan have any assignment not allowed by God in the first place, maggie?
let's see what you really believe.
and how on earth are we supposed to know who is who?
they got a diploma?
take one dream and 10 interpreters and you have 10 interpretations.
sound familiar?
who is giving "words of knowledge today maggie"?
what is "words of knowledge"?
"God says _______ "?
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Whenever you enter these same threads you do so to mock. All members here know where you stand on such things, but yet you focus and invest so much time on thread titles with the words tongues, dreams, visions.
To make that word 'Christian' as a bold font is suggesting you associate dream receivers as not really being Christian, unless I misunderstood that?
Your eschatology sees things as past, so the Revelations scripture that speaks of dreams and visions being given in the last days is wrongfully interpreted by you to be in the past. Your eschatology view has a hold on you. As other events start to take place you will remain blinded and deaf because of your eschatology. I see this now in the way you reject that the bible is lining up with our daily news.
I think you are the one mocking the Holy Spirit by suggesting visions and dreams are not of God.
The wheat and tares are growing together. A false christian does not disprove Christianity, just like a false dream does not disprove God's giving of dreams.
Does Benny Hinn elevate himself and seek after money, rather than glorify God? Scripture is our authority, so if what he says and does is not lining up with scripture then we're to reject it. Fyi, the fact he once said that Jesus would turn up physically on his stage was enough to label him as a heretic.
If a person wants God to expand on it more then I believe He will. I asked Him to confirm the message I received from the last dream and He showed me the scripture where Peter was walking on water and beginning to sink... it was in addition to the dream, and made it very clear.
Scripture is our authority. Anyone having a dream from God will know, because it will not go against scripture and the message will be very clear. If a dream goes against scripture then it's not from God.
When God communicates to you, whether awake or asleep you will know it. When He chastises you... when He draws your attention to something.... when He reveals a scripture to you on a specific day that speaks to you in a particular situation, etc, etc.
Like I said in my other post.... when God answers your prayer, the person sitting next to you will not know it, because it was a message given to you personally. We all have a personal relationship with Him, so why would God communicate in a dream and leave you confused? The dream or vision was given for a reason, so why would He not make it clear? I knew what my last dream was in relation to and when I asked Him to confirm for me He then showed me the Peter incident.
I think my last dream and vision would be encouraging if I shared with another Christian, yes. They both obviously agreed with scripture and one was very humbling and softened my heart to God's truth on a particular matter in my life, where He completely changed my thinking for the better (in line with scripture). Not adding to scripture, just teaching me some lessons that were biblical, to correct me and guide my steps.
When you pray, does God ever answer your prayers? Does He ever communicate with you?
How is His communicating with us considered adding to His word? We must always use discernment, so these things must always line up with scripture, of course.
I think you're confused over this matter.
God's word is truth and is our sole authority, it's God breathed and instructs us... but do you have a relationship with your bible or with God? Do you pray? Do you ever ask Him questions or hand problems over to Him to deal with? Do you see when He helps you through them?
To make that word 'Christian' as a bold font is suggesting you associate dream receivers as not really being Christian, unless I misunderstood that?
Your eschatology sees things as past, so the Revelations scripture that speaks of dreams and visions being given in the last days is wrongfully interpreted by you to be in the past. Your eschatology view has a hold on you. As other events start to take place you will remain blinded and deaf because of your eschatology. I see this now in the way you reject that the bible is lining up with our daily news.
I think you are the one mocking the Holy Spirit by suggesting visions and dreams are not of God.
The wheat and tares are growing together. A false christian does not disprove Christianity, just like a false dream does not disprove God's giving of dreams.
Does Benny Hinn elevate himself and seek after money, rather than glorify God? Scripture is our authority, so if what he says and does is not lining up with scripture then we're to reject it. Fyi, the fact he once said that Jesus would turn up physically on his stage was enough to label him as a heretic.
If a person wants God to expand on it more then I believe He will. I asked Him to confirm the message I received from the last dream and He showed me the scripture where Peter was walking on water and beginning to sink... it was in addition to the dream, and made it very clear.
Scripture is our authority. Anyone having a dream from God will know, because it will not go against scripture and the message will be very clear. If a dream goes against scripture then it's not from God.
When God communicates to you, whether awake or asleep you will know it. When He chastises you... when He draws your attention to something.... when He reveals a scripture to you on a specific day that speaks to you in a particular situation, etc, etc.
Like I said in my other post.... when God answers your prayer, the person sitting next to you will not know it, because it was a message given to you personally. We all have a personal relationship with Him, so why would God communicate in a dream and leave you confused? The dream or vision was given for a reason, so why would He not make it clear? I knew what my last dream was in relation to and when I asked Him to confirm for me He then showed me the Peter incident.
I think my last dream and vision would be encouraging if I shared with another Christian, yes. They both obviously agreed with scripture and one was very humbling and softened my heart to God's truth on a particular matter in my life, where He completely changed my thinking for the better (in line with scripture). Not adding to scripture, just teaching me some lessons that were biblical, to correct me and guide my steps.
When you pray, does God ever answer your prayers? Does He ever communicate with you?
How is His communicating with us considered adding to His word? We must always use discernment, so these things must always line up with scripture, of course.
I think you're confused over this matter.
God's word is truth and is our sole authority, it's God breathed and instructs us... but do you have a relationship with your bible or with God? Do you pray? Do you ever ask Him questions or hand problems over to Him to deal with? Do you see when He helps you through them?
Then why seek a second opinion as you say? Don't we seek second opinions because we don't fully believe what was told to us to begin with? It's the only logical conclusion I can come up with. For God has not given us a spirit of fear (timidity, of cowardice, of craven and cringing and fawning fear), but of power and of love and of a sound mind.
You might be able to fool us, but you can't fool God.
You might be able to fool us, but you can't fool God.
i post on a lot of topics.
this particular run-away train is one of them.
yes, you misunderstood.
the Christian scriptures and the testimony of Jesus Christ and His Apostles is recorded.
when claims are made appealing to that authority, Christians generally discuss the claims.
what things?
the things that are already fulfilled? that's right.
you mean Acts 2?
which describes in precise detail the Day of Pentecost which came as Promised?
yes, i know that's what dispensationalists think.
what events are those?
Israel and 1948?
the new pope?
what events are going to take place that i'm not aware of Katy?
is it really?
post a couple of things you see in the Bible that are lining up right now.
that's slick, but it's not my position.
visions and dreams recorded in Scripture as coming from God we know are from God.
they were for a purpose, and it was made clear to us by God.
people claiming authoritative messages today (modern prophets etc) are in deep deep trouble.
so are those who are listening to them - it's self-evident.
??
until the rapture?
and the millennium?
all these gaps came from the same source - including the Acts 2/2000 year day of pentecost gap.
and who is the one who decides which dream is from God?
continuationism is dispensationalism.
Hebrews 1
1Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world
so his barking and babbling and making people fall over isn't a clue?
where is any of that in scripture?
his claiming God told him this and that?
see, as soon as people accepted the worst GAP (Daniel 9), they were ready for the new prophets.
you won't find them in church history - at all.
that's between you and The Lord.
how many steps is it from that to "God told me to tell you ______"?
i hear this lip service to scripture all the time from continuationists.
it's virtually become meaningless.
what does that even mean Katy?
if i have a flying dream or a car chase dream, as long as there's nothing in scripture about my black car needing to be a red car, it's clearly from God?
there's no end to this
a more serious example:
if someone thinks Daniel's 70th week is in our future - they are certain that's what the bible says; has a dream involving something like it - they say (probably genuinely, though genuinely wrong) that God told them/confirmed it in a dream.
they'll say it doesn't contradict scripture...because they think the 70th week is not fulfilled.
???
but - according to non-dispenationalist readings - they couldn't be MORE wrong.
don't we have to know what scripture actually says before we use it as dictionary/glossary to interpret our subjective experiences?
i agree. our individual communion with God.
what do your dreams have to do with John Doe?
are you ever going to feel 100% certain God has authorized you to give a message directly from Him to John Doe?
how people do this so freely without fear is just amazing to me...but even a tiny bit of research shows how this entered in - the Second and Third Waves.
not one of us alive today is authorized by The Lord to speak on His behalf/have Him speak through us (thus saith The Lord : "first person"), outside of what He has already revealed.
not one.
why is this so offensive to people?
can He do it? of course He can - did He say He would?
God answers prayer.
God acts in our lives. in every detail.
your dream is between you and The Lord.
if you believe it made something clear, and He answered your prayer for clarity or whatever, through a dream, that's fine.
again - how many steps away are we then from proclaiming we are prophets?
i wonder how many prophets there are today?
okay....would you go searching for someone who claimed they had an actual gift (directly from God) to be able to interpret your dream for you?
on His behalf?
this claim says God is speaking directly through that person to you.
do you accept these claims?
do you make them yourself?
i haven't seen you make that claim.
yes Katy, the same way He does for all His people
it isn't - until we make the claim that His communication to us (however we see that worked out in our lives) holds the same authority as His written word.
why this isn't clear i don't know.
continuationism by definition must make the claim that what God is supposedly saying to certain people (all?) is on par with, and is as authoritative as His Word.
if that claim is not made; what exactly are we saying we have in the way of "gifts"?
that the gifts are not authoritative? then what are they?
no, the confusion came in from another source.
i'll let this straw man hang there.
this particular run-away train is one of them.
yes, you misunderstood.
the Christian scriptures and the testimony of Jesus Christ and His Apostles is recorded.
when claims are made appealing to that authority, Christians generally discuss the claims.
what things?
the things that are already fulfilled? that's right.
you mean Acts 2?
which describes in precise detail the Day of Pentecost which came as Promised?
yes, i know that's what dispensationalists think.
what events are those?
Israel and 1948?
the new pope?
what events are going to take place that i'm not aware of Katy?
is it really?
post a couple of things you see in the Bible that are lining up right now.
that's slick, but it's not my position.
visions and dreams recorded in Scripture as coming from God we know are from God.
they were for a purpose, and it was made clear to us by God.
people claiming authoritative messages today (modern prophets etc) are in deep deep trouble.
so are those who are listening to them - it's self-evident.
??
until the rapture?
and the millennium?
all these gaps came from the same source - including the Acts 2/2000 year day of pentecost gap.
and who is the one who decides which dream is from God?
continuationism is dispensationalism.
Hebrews 1
1Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world
so his barking and babbling and making people fall over isn't a clue?
where is any of that in scripture?
his claiming God told him this and that?
see, as soon as people accepted the worst GAP (Daniel 9), they were ready for the new prophets.
you won't find them in church history - at all.
that's between you and The Lord.
how many steps is it from that to "God told me to tell you ______"?
i hear this lip service to scripture all the time from continuationists.
it's virtually become meaningless.
what does that even mean Katy?
if i have a flying dream or a car chase dream, as long as there's nothing in scripture about my black car needing to be a red car, it's clearly from God?
there's no end to this
a more serious example:
if someone thinks Daniel's 70th week is in our future - they are certain that's what the bible says; has a dream involving something like it - they say (probably genuinely, though genuinely wrong) that God told them/confirmed it in a dream.
they'll say it doesn't contradict scripture...because they think the 70th week is not fulfilled.
???
but - according to non-dispenationalist readings - they couldn't be MORE wrong.
don't we have to know what scripture actually says before we use it as dictionary/glossary to interpret our subjective experiences?
i agree. our individual communion with God.
what do your dreams have to do with John Doe?
are you ever going to feel 100% certain God has authorized you to give a message directly from Him to John Doe?
how people do this so freely without fear is just amazing to me...but even a tiny bit of research shows how this entered in - the Second and Third Waves.
not one of us alive today is authorized by The Lord to speak on His behalf/have Him speak through us (thus saith The Lord : "first person"), outside of what He has already revealed.
not one.
why is this so offensive to people?
can He do it? of course He can - did He say He would?
God answers prayer.
God acts in our lives. in every detail.
your dream is between you and The Lord.
if you believe it made something clear, and He answered your prayer for clarity or whatever, through a dream, that's fine.
again - how many steps away are we then from proclaiming we are prophets?
i wonder how many prophets there are today?
okay....would you go searching for someone who claimed they had an actual gift (directly from God) to be able to interpret your dream for you?
on His behalf?
this claim says God is speaking directly through that person to you.
do you accept these claims?
do you make them yourself?
i haven't seen you make that claim.
yes Katy, the same way He does for all His people
it isn't - until we make the claim that His communication to us (however we see that worked out in our lives) holds the same authority as His written word.
why this isn't clear i don't know.
continuationism by definition must make the claim that what God is supposedly saying to certain people (all?) is on par with, and is as authoritative as His Word.
if that claim is not made; what exactly are we saying we have in the way of "gifts"?
that the gifts are not authoritative? then what are they?
no, the confusion came in from another source.
i'll let this straw man hang there.
Matt. 1:20
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. - Did Joseph have a need to seek an interpreter? Did he seek one?
Matt. 2:12
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Then, being divinely warned in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed for their own country another way. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying, “Arise, take the young Child and His mother, flee to Egypt, and stay there until I bring you word; for Herod will seek the young Child to destroy Him.”- Did Mary and Joseph seek an interpreter here? Was this message unclear?
Matt. 2:19
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, [SUP]20 [/SUP]saying, “Arise, take the young Child and His mother, and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the young Child’s life are dead.” - Did Joseph seek an interpreter here? Was the message unclear?
Matt. 27:19
[SUP]19 [/SUP]While he was sitting on the judgment seat, his wife sent to him, saying, “Have nothing to do with that just Man, for I have suffered many things today in a dream because of Him.” - Did Pilate's wife seek an interpreter? Was her dream not clear to her?
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. - Did Joseph have a need to seek an interpreter? Did he seek one?
Matt. 2:12
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Then, being divinely warned in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed for their own country another way. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying, “Arise, take the young Child and His mother, flee to Egypt, and stay there until I bring you word; for Herod will seek the young Child to destroy Him.”- Did Mary and Joseph seek an interpreter here? Was this message unclear?
Matt. 2:19
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, [SUP]20 [/SUP]saying, “Arise, take the young Child and His mother, and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the young Child’s life are dead.” - Did Joseph seek an interpreter here? Was the message unclear?
Matt. 27:19
[SUP]19 [/SUP]While he was sitting on the judgment seat, his wife sent to him, saying, “Have nothing to do with that just Man, for I have suffered many things today in a dream because of Him.” - Did Pilate's wife seek an interpreter? Was her dream not clear to her?
Thank you for your kind words. However, I take no credit for anything. Only the Lord should receive glory for the great things He does.
I do not want folks to believe that I'm being chased. I am not the only one who gets hounded in these forums. But you are right about one thing, I do have opponents.
You are also right about the spewing of hatred. It plain to see how some of these postings spew hatred, variance, and vengeance. It's strange how people can view themselves as godly when the words they type show quite the opposite.
Note the Scripture:
Jude 1:9 [SUP]9 [/SUP]Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
2 Peter 2:10-11 [SUP]10 [/SUP]But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
I do not want folks to believe that I'm being chased. I am not the only one who gets hounded in these forums. But you are right about one thing, I do have opponents.
You are also right about the spewing of hatred. It plain to see how some of these postings spew hatred, variance, and vengeance. It's strange how people can view themselves as godly when the words they type show quite the opposite.
Note the Scripture:
Jude 1:9 [SUP]9 [/SUP]Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
2 Peter 2:10-11 [SUP]10 [/SUP]But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
stephen please go and get all your unpleasant posts directed at me (or others who reject or doubt Pentecostalism)
maybe there are none and your piety will be proven.
godly people don't fall around on the floor and make animal noises or claim God is speaking through them - then cry foul and throw a no-love flag on the field when someone says - NO WAY.
maybe there are none and your piety will be proven.
godly people don't fall around on the floor and make animal noises or claim God is speaking through them - then cry foul and throw a no-love flag on the field when someone says - NO WAY.