i post on a lot of topics.
this particular run-away train is one of them.
yes, you misunderstood.
the Christian scriptures and the testimony of Jesus Christ and His Apostles is recorded.
when claims are made appealing to that authority, Christians generally discuss the claims.
what things?
the things that are already fulfilled? that's right.
you mean Acts 2?
which describes in precise detail the Day of Pentecost which came as Promised?
yes, i know that's what dispensationalists think.
what events are those?
Israel and 1948?
the new pope?
what events are going to take place that i'm not aware of Katy?
is it really?
post a couple of things you see in the Bible that are lining up right now.
that's slick, but it's not my position.
visions and dreams recorded in Scripture as coming from God we know are from God.
they were for a purpose, and it was made clear to us by God.
people claiming authoritative messages today (modern prophets etc) are in deep deep trouble.
so are those who are listening to them - it's self-evident.
??
until the rapture?
and the millennium?
all these gaps came from the same source - including the Acts 2/2000 year day of pentecost gap.
and who is the one who decides which dream is from God?
continuationism
is dispensationalism.
Hebrews 1
1Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world
so his barking and babbling and making people fall over isn't a clue?
where is any of
that in scripture?
his claiming God told him this and that?
see, as soon as people accepted the worst GAP (Daniel 9), they were ready for
the new prophets.
you won't find them in church history - at all.
that's between you and The Lord.
how many steps is it from that to "God told me to tell you ______"?
i hear this lip service to scripture all the time from continuationists.
it's virtually become meaningless.
what does that even mean Katy?
if i have a flying dream or a car chase dream, as long as there's nothing in scripture about my black car needing to be a red car, it's clearly from God?
there's no end to this
a more serious example:
if someone thinks Daniel's 70th week is in our future - they are certain that's what the bible says; has a dream involving something like it - they say (probably genuinely, though genuinely wrong) that
God told them/confirmed it in a dream.
they'll say it doesn't contradict scripture...because they
think the 70th week is not fulfilled.
???
but - according to non-dispenationalist readings - they couldn't be MORE wrong.
don't we have to know what scripture actually says before we use it as dictionary/glossary to interpret our subjective experiences?
i agree. our individual communion with God.
what do your dreams have to do with John Doe?
are you ever going to feel
100% certain God has authorized you to give a message directly from Him to John Doe?
how people do this so freely without fear is just amazing to me...but even a tiny bit of research shows how this entered in - the Second and Third Waves.
not one of us alive today is authorized by The Lord to speak on His behalf/have Him speak through us (thus saith The Lord : "first person"), outside of what He has already revealed.
not one.
why is this so offensive to people?
can He do it? of course He can - did He say He would?
God answers prayer.
God acts in our lives. in every detail.
your dream is between you and The Lord.
if you believe it made something clear, and He answered your prayer for clarity or whatever, through a dream, that's fine.
again - how many steps away are we then from proclaiming we are prophets?
i wonder how many prophets there are today?
okay....would you go searching for someone who claimed they had an actual gift (directly from God) to be able to interpret your dream for you?
on His behalf?
this claim says
God is speaking directly through that person to you.
do you accept these claims?
do you make them yourself?
i haven't seen you make that claim.
yes Katy, the same way He does for all His people
it isn't - until
we make the claim that His communication to us (however we see that worked out in our lives) holds the same authority as His written word.
why this isn't clear i don't know.
continuationism by definition
must make the claim that what God is supposedly saying to certain people (all?) is on par with, and is
as authoritative as His Word.
if that claim is not made; what exactly are we saying we have in the way of "gifts"?
that the gifts are not authoritative? then what are they?
no, the confusion came in from another source.
i'll let this straw man hang there.