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Perhaps someone can answer this in Acts 16 it is not recorded that jailer ever spoke in other languages. The last recorded time that other languages are mentioned is in Acts 19,yet Acts continues on for almost another seven years,yet not one time does Luke ever again record that they spoke in other languages. So the question we should be asking ourselves is Why doesn't Luke record it? Yet you still have people during this time coming to faith and yet other languages are never mentioned again. Add to that outside of Acts the only other place that other languages are mentioned is 1 Corinthians 14,one of the earlier established churches,so why doesn't Peter,James,John don't speak about and Paul does not speak about it again?
And one other question Why doesn't Paul in Galatians ever mention that other languages,or other miraculous signs are a mark of someone having the Holy Spirit? Paul lists these as the mark of the Holy Spirit in a believers life is love,joy,peace,
patience,goodness,kindness,gentleness,faithfulness and self control. So why doesn't Paul mention these other things?
patience,goodness,kindness,gentleness,faithfulness and self control. So why doesn't Paul mention these other things?
Paul does teach: 1Co 14:5
Now I would have you all speak with tongues, but rather that ye should prophesy: and greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
I also read the teachings in Acts and other Epistles on the types of gifts. You also must read all of the Word, and not simply puport those lines that suit your own aregument. No matter of scripture is of one's own interpretation, rather it is of the Holy Spirit to give the meaning. The Word is not just a line that pleases or tickles the ear, it must be taken as one teaching given life by the Holy Spirit. The Word is God and Jesus Christ, Yeshua, is the Word, amen... believe Him.
Now I would have you all speak with tongues, but rather that ye should prophesy: and greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
I also read the teachings in Acts and other Epistles on the types of gifts. You also must read all of the Word, and not simply puport those lines that suit your own aregument. No matter of scripture is of one's own interpretation, rather it is of the Holy Spirit to give the meaning. The Word is not just a line that pleases or tickles the ear, it must be taken as one teaching given life by the Holy Spirit. The Word is God and Jesus Christ, Yeshua, is the Word, amen... believe Him.
UMM Did you read the one above it? Here it is again which you did leave out
So how does this all fit together,why is it not recorded again outside of 1 Corinthians 14,one of the first established churches,one of the first epistles written,and yet not once does Peter,James or John say one word about it,and Paul doesn't doesn't speak of it again?
The other question would be Whom is it that is tickling their ear? A doctrine is being built on one passage of scripture,which is NOT a good thing to do. Acts is not a book that one can build doctrine off of,if there are no scriptures to back up that these things were to continue. Slice it,dice it and put it in a blender and there is nothing to say these things were to continue. Corinth was before Acts 19 which is the LAST time other languages are mentioned and the question is why is it never mentioned again in light of the fact that Acts continues on for another 5-7 years and along with the fact that it is not mentioned that the jailer in Acts 16 nor any other believer after Acts 19 spoke in other languages. So the question is why?
So how does this all fit together,why is it not recorded again outside of 1 Corinthians 14,one of the first established churches,one of the first epistles written,and yet not once does Peter,James or John say one word about it,and Paul doesn't doesn't speak of it again?
The other question would be Whom is it that is tickling their ear? A doctrine is being built on one passage of scripture,which is NOT a good thing to do. Acts is not a book that one can build doctrine off of,if there are no scriptures to back up that these things were to continue. Slice it,dice it and put it in a blender and there is nothing to say these things were to continue. Corinth was before Acts 19 which is the LAST time other languages are mentioned and the question is why is it never mentioned again in light of the fact that Acts continues on for another 5-7 years and along with the fact that it is not mentioned that the jailer in Acts 16 nor any other believer after Acts 19 spoke in other languages. So the question is why?
UMM I think I did read it as I wrote it. You didn't answer my question. Why does Acts itself does not show that speaking in other languages continue even at that time? The question is why did Luke never mention it again? Why didn't Peter,James and John not say one word about it? And why does Paul only talk about it in 1 Corinthians 14? Can you answer it? If not then just say so.
You have a question for the Author, ask Him. I am satisfied with the Word, and it is quite possible, even probable that I do not understand your motive for such a question nor the question. I am content with the Word as it is revealed to me. You may have a revelation I have not understood. I do know that for now, I am obliged, as one who believes all of the Word to accept what is written on tongues in all of the Word, not limiting the Author to one treatment in one Book on the subject. Perhaps you would start a thread on this revelation.
UMM Jamie,
The only things that are recorded on other languages in the New Testament is mentioned all of five times in Acts and 1 Corinthians 14, NO WHERE ELSE. It is being built on very little being said about it and the fact that Acts chapter 19 is the LAST time it is mentioned in Acts,yet people were coming to Christ and yet not one once is it mentioned again that spoke in other languages. So what is God trying to tell us by it never being mentioned again in Acts?
The only things that are recorded on other languages in the New Testament is mentioned all of five times in Acts and 1 Corinthians 14, NO WHERE ELSE. It is being built on very little being said about it and the fact that Acts chapter 19 is the LAST time it is mentioned in Acts,yet people were coming to Christ and yet not one once is it mentioned again that spoke in other languages. So what is God trying to tell us by it never being mentioned again in Acts?
If you examine the New Testament you will find it is rare any of the gifts received by each believer are listed, they are taught about, but listing each person's gifts is not practiced in depth. These are a matter of learning the Word about the subject and faith.
None of the gifts, as is taught will endure the fire to come next time except the three great gifts of faith, hope and love, love being the axis of the others.
Think about it. People who believe may use any gift, but being aware it is not of any virtue of their own, they do not boast of them, their boast is only of Yahweh.
All who believe have gifts beginning with those three eternal gifts, yet the boast of all is our Savior.
All of this picking at the carcass of the body for gifts diminishes our true purpose of giving glory to Yeshua, Jesus. Blessed be Yeshua, praise Him, worship Him, learn of Him, believe Him for all is all in all in Him, amen.
None of the gifts, as is taught will endure the fire to come next time except the three great gifts of faith, hope and love, love being the axis of the others.
Think about it. People who believe may use any gift, but being aware it is not of any virtue of their own, they do not boast of them, their boast is only of Yahweh.
All who believe have gifts beginning with those three eternal gifts, yet the boast of all is our Savior.
All of this picking at the carcass of the body for gifts diminishes our true purpose of giving glory to Yeshua, Jesus. Blessed be Yeshua, praise Him, worship Him, learn of Him, believe Him for all is all in all in Him, amen.
The issue is did speaking in other languages continue or stop. Even in Acts it is implied they did NOT continue. So it goes back to why didn't Luke continue to record that believers were still speaking in other languages? It's NOT there. Luke records it up to chapter 19 but never again. So again the question is why? Can you answer that?
See the thing is Jamie,if they stopped there is one really big,huge problem,it means that this stuff is NOT from God.
See the thing is Jamie,if they stopped there is one really big,huge problem,it means that this stuff is NOT from God.
i believe everything the Word says, including the languages issue.
okay...jb: PLEASE, please...help me out here on this point.
if i can understand this part, then maybe i can see the difference, and begin to see what i`m missing:
just because you see some bad examples of the use of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit and the gift of tongues
- are there bad examples of the use of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit and the gift of tongues
- what do you mean bad examples - why are they bad
- is it a matter of excess; or pretending; or lack of order etc.
what makes some examples BAD examples.
no one ever, ever explains this part.
if what i am seeing in the 3 or so vids above....is truly the Divine gift as described in Acts (or corinth)....but i am seeing a bad example of a true gift being displayed.....can you please (i`m pleading here) be specific about what is bad about it.
- further to that, as i continue to post what i can only guess are reasonable and common examples of people speaking in tongues...if i post ONE (or more) that is a GOOD example of tongues...could you or someone please PLEASE let me know what is good about it, in comparison to the bad example.
finally - if none of the tongues speaking in the videos posted so far is the baby, but is bathwater....i want to find just one example of the baby.
CAN ANYONE PLEASE HELP....a video would be the most helpful, as we can all see and hear the same thing and discuss the same thing (as opposed to just posting about experiences or dueling with scriptures.
THANK YOU
this is a secondary but related point - what is the age of grace
okay...jb: PLEASE, please...help me out here on this point.
if i can understand this part, then maybe i can see the difference, and begin to see what i`m missing:
just because you see some bad examples of the use of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit and the gift of tongues
- are there bad examples of the use of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit and the gift of tongues
- what do you mean bad examples - why are they bad
- is it a matter of excess; or pretending; or lack of order etc.
what makes some examples BAD examples.
no one ever, ever explains this part.
if what i am seeing in the 3 or so vids above....is truly the Divine gift as described in Acts (or corinth)....but i am seeing a bad example of a true gift being displayed.....can you please (i`m pleading here) be specific about what is bad about it.
- further to that, as i continue to post what i can only guess are reasonable and common examples of people speaking in tongues...if i post ONE (or more) that is a GOOD example of tongues...could you or someone please PLEASE let me know what is good about it, in comparison to the bad example.
finally - if none of the tongues speaking in the videos posted so far is the baby, but is bathwater....i want to find just one example of the baby.
CAN ANYONE PLEASE HELP....a video would be the most helpful, as we can all see and hear the same thing and discuss the same thing (as opposed to just posting about experiences or dueling with scriptures.
THANK YOU
this is a secondary but related point - what is the age of grace
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I am more than satisfied by the writings on the subject in the Word as to their witnessing that the gift did and does exist to this day. I have never been able to verify whether others with the gift of tongues are genuine or not, not possessing the also gift of internpreting. However both gifts are elaborated upon somewhat in the Word of Yawheh, that is if you believe what Paul has to say is inspired from Yahweh.
Now though I have not been able to verify all others, one I was able to verify. It was a person praising Yahweh in the spirit, a person with no knowledge of other languages. The words translated were, Give joy to the King.............and more. It was a prayer of thanksgiving and adoration of Yeshua, and because of my own familiarity with the language in question I understood. It does not matter if you believe me, but at least believe the teachings on the subject throughout the New Testament writings or do not pronounce either way on them.
The gifts exist until the universe and all that is are dissolved with a loud noise. What survives will be what was already in Yeshua, Father and God, amen.
Now though I have not been able to verify all others, one I was able to verify. It was a person praising Yahweh in the spirit, a person with no knowledge of other languages. The words translated were, Give joy to the King.............and more. It was a prayer of thanksgiving and adoration of Yeshua, and because of my own familiarity with the language in question I understood. It does not matter if you believe me, but at least believe the teachings on the subject throughout the New Testament writings or do not pronounce either way on them.
The gifts exist until the universe and all that is are dissolved with a loud noise. What survives will be what was already in Yeshua, Father and God, amen.
lol sarah...i know this is a sensitive and divisive issue.
i'd prefer it wasn't.
the thing is, until someone explains the good examples to me...what is it i am supposed to "have faith" in?
i believe that Christ died for my sins.
i believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.
i believe He rose from the dead, just as God promised.
i believe He fulfilled His promise of the Spirit at Pentecost just as He said He would.
i believe men from every family, language and nation are entering the New Covenant Church, by Grace through faith in Christ.
i believe the regenerated man/woman/child is born from above, adopted into the family of God, sealed by the Spirit, considered sons, not slaves and will praise God for all eternity.
i believe God's Word is inspired; trustworthy and has the power unto to salvation as well as the power to transform the people of God.
if i am to believe that what i see in the videos (or what i have witnessed in person many times) identified as speaking in tongues - the appeal for authenticity being made to the infallible word i believe - i hope someone will just explain the good; the bad; the true; the false....
??? is that asking too much?
it's not as though the Lord hasn't given us permission (even commanded us) to check these things.
1 John 4:1
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God...
~
i've read testimonies of folks who came out of this movement and said they were pressured into doing something they knew was false....and i read testimonies of people who say they know for certain this is of God.
HOW CAN I KNOW WHICH IS WHICH?
and why do i get the 'you lack faith; i feel sorry for you; i'm offended by you; how dare you' cards for asking?
maybe someone at CC who was formerly involved can write about it.
dunno.
anyways...i guess i'll keep looking for examples and see if any good examples come up.
k......z
i'd prefer it wasn't.
the thing is, until someone explains the good examples to me...what is it i am supposed to "have faith" in?
i believe that Christ died for my sins.
i believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.
i believe He rose from the dead, just as God promised.
i believe He fulfilled His promise of the Spirit at Pentecost just as He said He would.
i believe men from every family, language and nation are entering the New Covenant Church, by Grace through faith in Christ.
i believe the regenerated man/woman/child is born from above, adopted into the family of God, sealed by the Spirit, considered sons, not slaves and will praise God for all eternity.
i believe God's Word is inspired; trustworthy and has the power unto to salvation as well as the power to transform the people of God.
if i am to believe that what i see in the videos (or what i have witnessed in person many times) identified as speaking in tongues - the appeal for authenticity being made to the infallible word i believe - i hope someone will just explain the good; the bad; the true; the false....
??? is that asking too much?
it's not as though the Lord hasn't given us permission (even commanded us) to check these things.
1 John 4:1
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God...
~
i've read testimonies of folks who came out of this movement and said they were pressured into doing something they knew was false....and i read testimonies of people who say they know for certain this is of God.
HOW CAN I KNOW WHICH IS WHICH?
and why do i get the 'you lack faith; i feel sorry for you; i'm offended by you; how dare you' cards for asking?
maybe someone at CC who was formerly involved can write about it.
dunno.
anyways...i guess i'll keep looking for examples and see if any good examples come up.
k......z
UHH Jamie Which king was he referring to? See the problem that is being left out is that if one can not discern where it is coming from,and if it is not from God (And please I am qualify it) would that not mean that one is involved with witchcraft and divination? How do we test it that it is from the Lord and not from the other guy? We need to remember he can disguise himself as an angel of light,and he can say things that sound soooooo good and make it appear as if God is speaking when God is not speaking. And if one is wondering I was AOG for five years. Strangely enough not once did I ever hear a rebuke or exhortation,heard a lot of nice pleasantries that one could say that it was God but then again it was shallow and feeble so again one couldn't say that it was from God. And strangely they all sounded so similar to each other. So how do I know which was from God and which wasn't?
Zone,
And I too believe the same,but at this point I can't for sure say this other stuff is from the Lord and I so much want to be sure
I was AOG for 5 years,all the so called messages were cheap shallow and feeble. Not anything that had any meat on it. There was not one that I can honestly say was for sure from the Lord. Almost every time it was along the lines of God loves you,He is going to pour out His Spirit out on you,His plans for you are to bless you etc etc etc. But not once did I ever hear any rebukes or exhortations,and only once during that whole time did someone stop it and say it was not from the Lord.
A lot of nice pleasantries that appealed to the flesh but not once did I hear any edification. It just wasn't there. I can say that the pastor did do expository preaching so I did learn a lot and I did grow a lot. Sooo take it with a grain of salt.
And I too believe the same,but at this point I can't for sure say this other stuff is from the Lord and I so much want to be sure
I was AOG for 5 years,all the so called messages were cheap shallow and feeble. Not anything that had any meat on it. There was not one that I can honestly say was for sure from the Lord. Almost every time it was along the lines of God loves you,He is going to pour out His Spirit out on you,His plans for you are to bless you etc etc etc. But not once did I ever hear any rebukes or exhortations,and only once during that whole time did someone stop it and say it was not from the Lord.
A lot of nice pleasantries that appealed to the flesh but not once did I hear any edification. It just wasn't there. I can say that the pastor did do expository preaching so I did learn a lot and I did grow a lot. Sooo take it with a grain of salt.
U
This one's pretty cool. Makes Sylvia Brown look like an amateur. Even the Benny Hinn Travelling Circus is impressed with this "prophets" prowess. People are being prophesied millions of dollars n' everything. It must be true because the "prophet's" saying "thus saith the Lord" and speaking in tongues too. Is this what you meant by a "good example", you notorious doubter ? 
Prophet Manasseh Divine Revelation In Atlanta 1 - YouTube
Prophet Manasseh Divine Revelation In Atlanta 1 - YouTube
I think a lot of scepticism regarding gifts and speaking in tongues, comes from peoples only experience of these things coming from all the false teachers such as Todd Bentley and Benny Hinn. I know a number of people from Church of England who think even raising hands is rebellions and strange, what they make of more spiritual outpourings I hate to think.
It is natural to shun away and reject things you are not familiar with, as it is because you can not see anything overwhelmingly obvious written in the Bible on the subject, a good example is diretion people fall over when ovecome by "spirit" .
Satans job is to corrupt everything God creates and create counterfeits of everything God wants for us, from setting out false religions, corrupt versions of Christianity and right down to the things we see and do as Christians. The saying goes, you do not forge a $19 bill, so it is with Satan and demons, they are going to mimick the genuine things from God, this includes all the gifts such as healing being the obvious.
So it is with toungues, we see an inflitration of demonic spirits manifesting themselves throughout the Pentecostal movement, this movement started off in right way, but Satan has from day 1 all but destroyed its credibility and sown countless false ministers through the movement, to the point where anything amazing to do with Holy Spirit is shot down in flames as being "bad" and "unbiblical" as people automatically assume its "bad spirits".
There was a comment on the video posted above, saying that is sounded repetitive, mantra soundingetc. Yes good observation, but remember, Satan fakes things to take us away and fool us, that is why we see this as a common occurance with likes of Kundalini and so on. Many people think they are being influenced by Holy SPiirt, when infact thier "gift" is from Satan.
Like it or not, tongues is a gift and is given to people including myself, it may not have much of a write up in Bible, but then neither are many other things, some things today we do not even find in the Bible, are trains evil and something we should not use because they are not mentioned in the Bible?
Its same thing with other gifts, some Christians go out of their way to prove healing dosnt happen today, yet I have experienced healing and seen it, same with tongues and speaking in it.
I know what I have is real and is genuine from the HOly SPirit, so anyone telling me otherwise will fail in their attempt. I know that many people think they have it, but they are under the influsence of false spirits who are influencing them, I know I am not under any demonic or bad spirit influence for number of reasons, especially when I had this I had the right people with discernment of these things pray over me as I spoke it and "tested" it.
It sadens me how many Christians deny this and deny themselves from receiving it due to what they think is right, yet despite a genuine believer who is solid in GOd and Christ telling hem otherwise, they still do not believe or trust. Its not any different from trying to make an atheist a believer!
It is natural to shun away and reject things you are not familiar with, as it is because you can not see anything overwhelmingly obvious written in the Bible on the subject, a good example is diretion people fall over when ovecome by "spirit" .
Satans job is to corrupt everything God creates and create counterfeits of everything God wants for us, from setting out false religions, corrupt versions of Christianity and right down to the things we see and do as Christians. The saying goes, you do not forge a $19 bill, so it is with Satan and demons, they are going to mimick the genuine things from God, this includes all the gifts such as healing being the obvious.
So it is with toungues, we see an inflitration of demonic spirits manifesting themselves throughout the Pentecostal movement, this movement started off in right way, but Satan has from day 1 all but destroyed its credibility and sown countless false ministers through the movement, to the point where anything amazing to do with Holy Spirit is shot down in flames as being "bad" and "unbiblical" as people automatically assume its "bad spirits".
There was a comment on the video posted above, saying that is sounded repetitive, mantra soundingetc. Yes good observation, but remember, Satan fakes things to take us away and fool us, that is why we see this as a common occurance with likes of Kundalini and so on. Many people think they are being influenced by Holy SPiirt, when infact thier "gift" is from Satan.
Like it or not, tongues is a gift and is given to people including myself, it may not have much of a write up in Bible, but then neither are many other things, some things today we do not even find in the Bible, are trains evil and something we should not use because they are not mentioned in the Bible?
Its same thing with other gifts, some Christians go out of their way to prove healing dosnt happen today, yet I have experienced healing and seen it, same with tongues and speaking in it.
I know what I have is real and is genuine from the HOly SPirit, so anyone telling me otherwise will fail in their attempt. I know that many people think they have it, but they are under the influsence of false spirits who are influencing them, I know I am not under any demonic or bad spirit influence for number of reasons, especially when I had this I had the right people with discernment of these things pray over me as I spoke it and "tested" it.
It sadens me how many Christians deny this and deny themselves from receiving it due to what they think is right, yet despite a genuine believer who is solid in GOd and Christ telling hem otherwise, they still do not believe or trust. Its not any different from trying to make an atheist a believer!
U
It saddens me as well. It saddens me that despite the many requests made on threads such as this one, not one single person advocating the authenticity of speaking in tongues today has or can produce one shred of what the "authentic tongues" would look like. How are they different from what todays obvious liars and frauds are passing off as authentic ? It is a good thing to recognize who the liars and frauds are. Is it too much to ask where one can see how those who are authentic differentiate in this regard ? Are there none on video anywhere ? If not, why not ? And if this is the case, can we then safely conclude that all video's of today's tongue speaking are fraudulent ? Frankly, the gibberish all sounds the same to me. And it's certainly not an earthly dialect spoken as it was in the Book of Acts.