What would Jesus say about evolution?

[Waldo45]

Let me break it down for you.
DARWIN. Being different entity than the group of scientists who created the theory of evolution. CREATED a theoretical database. being interpretted - AN ONLINE DATABASE THAT WAS IN NO WAY REPRODUCED IN REALITY. He made valid points as a scientist or ENTRAPENUER being interpretted is however one chooses to define their line of work when being self employed rather than being hired.
Made millions of dollars- being interpretted means his work became famous among scientists, and they are all still trying to prove his theory. And then he ... well made millions of dollars.
I have now tried clarification to the best of my abilities. Thank you for your time.

I don't know if you know anything about history or not, but Charles Darwin lived long before the internet. He did nothing online and he was not an entrepreneur. He invented the scientific theory of evolution and natural selection. He never went online because he died in 1882.

 

[Ariel82]

it depends how you define evolution: pop culture definition or scientific one............

 

[Waldo45]

I'm saying sin and death were not introduced into creation until the Fall and therefore evolution is excluded.

So all plants and insects and all bacteria and vermin were just going to live forever? Considering how quickly they reproduce, how many insects would be alive today if none of them ever died? We'd be walking on insects and we'd have so many mosquitoes that we wouldn't be able to see the sun.

And what would we eat if the plants lived forever?

 

[Waldo45]

if evolution were true and we evolved form monkeys then why is aren't apes still evolving to man enquiring minds want to know?

I do not believe that the theory of evolution states that human evolved from "monkeys"...

 

[Waldo45]

several other cultures in jesus' time already had concepts of very large numbers and time periods...it is silly to suggest that jesus simply -couldn't- have 'corrected genesis' by inserting the required millions of years just because the jews weren't smart enough to get it...

It's not just the billions of years, it's all the other stuff. For example it's 2013 and people still don't understand. Look at all the arguing on this site.

 

[Ariel82]

So all plants and insects and all bacteria and vermin were just going to live forever? Considering how quickly they reproduce, how many insects would be alive today if none of them ever died? We'd be walking on insects and we'd have so many mosquitoes that we wouldn't be able to see the sun.

And what would we eat if the plants lived forever?

first those things listed don't have a soul and second there will be no marriage in Heaven so its unlikely there will be any reproducing of any organism.

 

[mpaper345]

The Bible says God calls things that have not yet happened as though they already happened,like example the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world(Revelation 13:8),although we know it did not actually happen until 4000 years later.

So everything was already planned out before God laid down the foundation,so it is the same as if everything already happened because it will surely come to pass with no hinderances.

The Old Testament says Adam was made in the image of God.The New Testament says Adam was made in the image of Christ.So the image of God is the image of Christ.

God had the plan to come in the future in flesh before He created Adam,and He made Adam in the same image that He would appear in the future,and that is an innocent nature in flesh.When Adam fell he fell out of the image of God for he was no longer an innocent nature in flesh.

The image of God is an innocent nature in flesh,which the Holy Spirit puts us back in to the image of God,for a Spirit led life will not fulfill the desires of the flesh.

As far as evolution,this does not make sense to me,and neither can it make sense,for it is obvious that everything was made straight out and not by evolution,which God took the rib of Adam and made Eve,which Eve surely can be proven to not come from Evolution,unless Adam had to wait a billion years for her.

Evolution is a process of chance with no central intelligence but to adapt to situations.

During the start of the evolution process,if true,evolution would not have ears,eyes,nose,or any of the other senses,so it could not pick up on things to be seen,or heard,etc,for it would not know any of those things exist and could not perceive them.

How can evolution give us ears to hear when it does not have ears to hear,to know there is anything to hear to give us ears to hear it.How can evolution cause us to adapt to sight when it does not know there is anything to see to give us eyes to hear it.As well as all the senses,and add that every body part is in a perfect place,which you cannot put a body part in a more better place for best looks and functioning.All by chance is ridiculous and takes more faith to believe than there is a God that created everything.

If true,at the start of evolution,before life came about but starting to happen,evolution does not have any senses to sense anything,so why would evolution cause us to adapt to senses that it does not even know it is there to cause us to adapt to it,because it has no senses to know those things exist,like sound,sight,etc.

 

[Waldo45]

there are 2 things that are impossible for our God to do.....one of them is lie.....to do so would redefine who He is and that is already the devil's definition. the word yom translated as day is actually a period of time not specified as to it;s length. the assumption has been that because in genesis one there are an evening and a morning to each of the time frames given that must make them 24 hour time frames. however it is strongly intimated that the 7th day hasnt yet come and it will be the day of Christ's return. each of the yom time frames could easily have been of different lengths.....it was 'in the beginnig' after all. in any event our religion requires faith......for precisely this reason......we still have questions.....we dont have all the answers.....we have to base our faith on the knowledge of right and wrong....we do know that. to base your beliefs on questions is very unstable. your belief must be based on the answer that we already have and the answer is Jesus our Lord

God does not lie, but He tells us things in symbolic ways to teach us lessons. The Bible is not a science book. But a book about man's relationship with God.

The first chapter of Genesis teaches a lesson. So does the story of the garden. And the story of Noah teaches a lesson too. The parables of Jesus teach lessons as well.

God doesn't tell us things we aren't ready for. Like He didn't show the Trinity to the Jewish people till Jesus' time.

 

[Waldo45]

first those things listed don't have a soul and second there will be no marriage in Heaven so its unlikely there will be any reproducing of any organism.

You totally misunderstood me. I am not talking about life in heaven but how life would have been if Adam and Eve didn't sin. And I am not the one who said that there was absolutely no death before Adam and Eve sinned. I basically said that when they sinned death came to them and their seed. But plants and animals died before their sin.

Do you understand what point I am trying to make?

 

[Waldo45]

Gen 1:5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen 1:13 So the evening and the morning were the third day.

Gen 1:19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Gen 1:23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

seems like normal days to me........I'm satisfied with it, God is Truth, God cannot and will not lie, God is not into fairy tales, you cling to what you deem to be truth if that is what you want, as for me and my household...we shall believe what The Lord has said.

24 hour days are determined by the earth's revolutions around itself. But if the earth was not yet created and there are so many other planets God created, along with stars and solar systems and galaxies, then why would He base it all on the revolutions of this planet around itself?

In the NT it says that to God a day is like a 1,000 years, and a 1,000 years like a day. Maybe it was 6,000 years instead of a 6 literal days.

 

[Ariel82]

The Earth does not revolve around itself. it rotates. there is a difference.

<though some still believe in geocentric universe and would say the Earth does not move at all.>

However, its commonly accepted that the Earth revolves around the sun every 365 days and rotates on its axis every 24 hours.

 

[Waldo45]

The Earth does not revolve around itself. it rotates. there is a difference.

<though some still believe in geocentric universe and would say the Earth does not move at all.>

However, its commonly accepted that the Earth revolves around the sun every 365 days and rotates on its axis every 24 hours.

Please forgive my improper use of English.

 

[Ariel82]

God created animals with the ability to adapt to their changing environment. many of the traits/genes were already found in the gene pool before ever being expressed.

therefore many concepts in evolution do not go against the Bible.

its when people add things to the basics that it becomes offensive.

 

[Waldo45]

God created animals with the ability to adapt to their changing environment. many of the traits/genes were already found in the gene pool before ever being expressed.

therefore many concepts in evolution do not go against the Bible.

its when people add things to the basics that it becomes offensive.

How about the idea that Adam and Eve were the first homo sapiens with an eternal soul? But that doesn't mean that others weren't around first.

For example: Who did Cain think might kill him if there weren't any other people on the earth? And how did he build a city if there were only a few people around? Who did he marry?

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

The idea that the laryngeal nerve is a good design is absurd. The route a humans laryngeal nerve takes is a mere several inches even though those several inches are still considered an unnecessary detour. In a giraffe it is 15 feet in the adult. I recommend watching Richard Dawkins and a team of comparative anatomists and veterinary pathologists dissecting a giraffe, it is on youtube. The nerve actually passes within inches of its destination which is the larynx then it proceeds down the entire giraffes neck loops and comes back up. That is a nonsensical design for an animal. It looks absolutely silly and uneducated to try and claim it is good design when we are examples of a minor version of the detour. The correction would not cause any bad side effects. There is no benefit now.

If you accept the large body of scientific work which supports the theory of evolution the issue can be explained and presented in a logical fashion. For a creationist it is an issue which they must try explain or ignore as most of them do.

it seems like good design to me...to have a short nerve directly from the spinal cord to the larynx would subject the nerve to stresses whenever the neck is bent...a longer nerve following a roundabout route would be better able to tolerate stresses from the bending of the spine...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

I said "a type of poetry told in prose..."

And the Framework theory makes a lot more sense than 6 literal 24 hour days.

'poetry told in prose' is a contradiction in terms...it is like saying 'a handwritten note typed on a computer'...

the framework interpretation only makes sense if it actually works...and when you actually compare the corresponding days in the two pairs of three days each...it is clear that the framework interpretation doesn't work as advertised...

also i should point out that the framework interpretation contradicts the very same evolutionary science it is supposed to reconcile with the bible...instead of incorporating both biblical revelation and evolutionary science...the framework interpretation just creates a new mythology that contradicts both...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

24 hour days are determined by the earth's revolutions around itself. But if the earth was not yet created and there are so many other planets God created, along with stars and solar systems and galaxies, then why would He base it all on the revolutions of this planet around itself?

In the NT it says that to God a day is like a 1,000 years, and a 1,000 years like a day. Maybe it was 6,000 years instead of a 6 literal days.

6,000 years of creation is still several billion years off from current scientific theory...

i guess it's too bad the bible didn't say 'a day with God is like a billion years'

also even if you allow for days to be somewhat longer that twenty-four hours in the three days of creation that took place before the sun was created...there are still serious limitations that do not allow for million year periods of light and darkness as the bible would require if the creation days were millions of years long...

 

[DannyC]

it seems like good design to me...to have a short nerve directly from the spinal cord to the larynx would subject the nerve to stresses whenever the neck is bent...a longer nerve following a roundabout route would be better able to tolerate stresses from the bending of the spine...

We have thousands of millions of nerves in our bodies we stretch out bodies everyday i.e bending over, leaning, exercises. None of those other nerves have a sort of extra stretch to compensate for our movements, they don't because our movements dont cause stress on them, this goes for the laryneal nerve also. Also the nerve loops around the heart so does the heart get tugged at whenever we bend our necks? No it doesn't because the nerve length is not to compensate for us bending.

The nerve would not be in stress in the slightest, the nerves are nestled in our muscles. There is not a single shread of evidence to support the idea that bending your neck causes strain on interior nerves or even arteries or veins, that would be like suggesting kneeling causes strain on your blood vessels.

Now what we have is an interior diagram, no outside force causes strain on the nerve. The larynx and the nerve follow the movements of the neck naturally they don't follow in a sort of keeping up motion. In reality if you sliced the nerve and simply connected it straight to the larynx you would have sufficiently provided a function which is not wasteful. The nerve length we have is wasteful, that also goes for the giraffe.

Again the issue remains that the creator wasn't very good when he made animals.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

How about the idea that Adam and Eve were the first homo sapiens with an eternal soul? But that doesn't mean that others weren't around first.

For example: Who did Cain think might kill him if there weren't any other people on the earth? And how did he build a city if there were only a few people around? Who did he marry?

the bible doesn't say that adam and eve were just the first humans with an eternal soul...it indicates that they were the very first humans...created from dust...

also we know from genetics that homo sapiens and neanderthals interbred...this means that neanderthals must have had souls too...otherwise there would be 'half soulless' hybrid humans or something weird like that...so your scenario of homo sapiens evolving and -then- just a pair of homo sapiens receiving eternal souls just can't work...

cain knew that adam and eve would have other children eventually...and there isn't even anything in scripture to rule out the possibility that abel had already had children before cain killed him...in either case cain knew that there were relatives either present or future who would loathe him and possibly take revenge...

the hebrew word used to refer to cain's city doesn't necessarily mean a large metropolitan area...the word can refer to any place guarded by a watch...even a small encampment is included under that sense of the word...the defining characteristic is just that it is guarded...and a small encampment could have been guarded by cain himself keeping watch...

finally cain married another descendant of adam...the bible indicates that adam and eve had other sons and daughters after cain and abel and seth...possibly cain married one of his sisters...or even the daughter of one of his siblings... it is important to realize that the bible doesn't say -when- cain actually got his wife...multiple generations of adam's descendants could have even been born by that time...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

We have thousands of millions of nerves in our bodies we stretch out bodies everyday i.e bending over, leaning, exercises. None of those other nerves have a sort of extra stretch to compensate for our movements, they don't because our movements dont cause stress on them, this goes for the laryneal nerve also. Also the nerve loops around the heart so does the heart get tugged at whenever we bend our necks? No it doesn't because the nerve length is not to compensate for us bending.

The nerve would not be in stress in the slightest, the nerves are nestled in our muscles. There is not a single shread of evidence to support the idea that bending your neck causes strain on interior nerves or even arteries or veins, that would be like suggesting kneeling causes strain on your blood vessels.

Now what we have is an interior diagram, no outside force causes strain on the nerve. The larynx and the nerve follow the movements of the neck naturally they don't follow in a sort of keeping up motion. In reality if you sliced the nerve and simply connected it straight to the larynx you would have sufficiently provided a function which is not wasteful. The nerve length we have is wasteful, that also goes for the giraffe.

Again the issue remains that the creator wasn't very good when he made animals.

the nerves in the extremities are pretty long in general...and these are also the body parts that are subjected to the most movement...so there is nothing to indicate that their length -isn't- advantageous... logically speaking you can't say with certainty that it isn't advantageous because by definition we have no examples of extremities with short nerves to compare...

nerves -can- be damaged by stretching...for example that is a common injury in the long thoracic nerve...so it -would- be advantageous for a nerve to be able to accommodate stretching...and the longer something is the more easily it accommodates stretching because the tension is spread out over the entire length...