Is God Unfair?

[Elin]

Hi, guys!

Been wanting to share another little tidbit of a study from God's word, on the order of the Leviticus notes.

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1. Job, a godly man (Job 1:8, 2:3), was sorely afflicted by God (1:21, 2:10) and lost everything (1:13-19) because of a controversy between God and Satan (1:8-12, 2:3-6).

BIBLICAL PRINCIPLE: Things happen on earth because of reasons in heaven we know nothing about.

But Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing (unfairness) - 1:22.

2. The NT reveals that man charges God with unfairness for two reasons:

• a) he misunderstands the meaning of fairness (Mt 20:8-15)

BIBLICAL PRINCIPLE: Fairness does not mean giving everyone the same, but means giving everyone his due (what he is owed, a just debt).

• b) to justify his own sin (Mt 25:24-30) - the wicked lazy servant (v.26) charges his master with unfairness (v.24) to justify his laziness as prudence (v.25).

3. The NT assumes man will question the fairness of God's sovereign choices:

• Ro 9:18-19 - How can he condemn us? Who can resist his will (sovereignty)?
• Paul's answer to man's charge of unfairness against God is
• the same as Jesus gave in the parable (Mt 20:15); i.e.,
• to assert the authority of God (Ro 9:20-21).

4. God's answer to man's charges of unfairness:

Your ways are not my ways,
My ways are higher (better) than your ways (Is 55:8-9).
I do no wrong (Dt 32:4),
All my ways are just (Da 4:37, 9:14; Ps 145:17),
and I do what is right (Da 4:37, cf v.35)

• PERSONAL APPLICATION: We must decide who is right, and whom we will believe, man or God.

5. Paul's response to God's sovereign choice

• not to grant faith to Israel, his covenant people (Ro 11:7-8), but to cut them off (Ro 11:17, 19-20, 22) and
• instead grant faith to the Gentiles, who were foreigners to the covenant (Eph 2:11-12) is
• Ro 11:33-36 -

How unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways beyond finding out!
Who is wise enough that he should instruct God (Isa 40:13)?
And who has given to God that God should owe him? (Job 41:11)

6. Back to Job: While Job did not sin in what he said (Job 2:10), because he did not curse God (1:11, 2:5), he did:

• feel he had a right to an explanation, which God owed him (Job 9:16, 10:2, 13:3, 22-23)--presumption
• complain because God afflicted the righteous but not the wicked (24:12)--discrediting God's justice.

7. God responds to Job:
charges Job with

• ignorance (chps 38-39),
• casting shadows of ignorance over his wisdom (38:2), and
• discrediting his justice (40:8) in order to justify himself to his friends (6:29, 13;12-19), who were using his affliction as proof of his unrighteousness (22:4-30, 34:10-12, 31-37, 35:12-16, 36:8-17)

challenges Job (40:7-8) to match him in

• justice (40:8)
• power (40:9)
• majesty (40:10) and
• dominion (40:11-14).

BIBLICAL PRINCIPLE: We do not question God (Ro 9:20), he questions us (Job 38:3, 40:7).

• We do not judge God (Is 10:15), he judges us (Job 40:2).
• Nor do we call God to the bar of our reason (Ro 9:20; Is 45:11-12)
  to judge him based on human understanding and human ways (Job 1:22)
• The Bible calls that "turning things upside down as if the potter were thought to be like the clay." (Is 29:16, NIV)

8. Job is

• humbled (42:3), repents (42:6) and embraces the sovereign actions of God (40:2, 5), although
• he is never given an explanation for his affliction (see #1, Biblical Principle).
• Job no longer needed an explanation (42:3), for he had experienced the glory of God (42:5, cf 19:26-27), which far surpasses anything found on earth (Php 3:8-10).

9. Outcome of Job's trial:

• deeper heart knowledge and realized fellowship with God (42:3, 5, 8, cf 19:26-27; Ps 42:1-2, 63:1, 84:1-2).
• double possessions (42:10)--foreshadowing of spirituall possessions (Heb 10:34; 1Pe 1:4-5),
• long life (42:16)--foreshadowing eternal life (Jas 1:12).

10. Parallels between Job and Christ:

• the Righteous One (Ac 7:52, 3:14),
• sorely afflicted by God (Is 53:3-5)
• because of a controversy with Satan (Ge 3:15; Jn 12:31; Mt 12:29; Lk 10:18-19),
• who was emptied and humbled (Php 2:5-8)
• for his greater glory (Heb 12:2; Php 2:9-11; 2Co 4:17), and
• exalted to intercede for his friends (Ac 2:33; Heb 7:25, cf Job 45:7-10).

11. God's answer to man's objections regarding his absolute sovereignty:

I am all wise and all just (Is 40:13-14; Ps 89:14),
I do what is best and what is right (Dt 32:4; Ps 119:68; Da 4:37).
TRUST ME, and lean not on your own understanding.

PERSONAL APPLICATION: The sovereignty of God requires our trust, not our understanding. (Ro 11:33)

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Hi, guys!

Been wanting to share another little tidbit of a study from God's word, on the order of the Leviticus notes.

- - - - - - - - - - -

1. Job, a godly man (Job 1:8, 2:3), was sorely afflicted by God (1:21, 2:10) and lost everything (1:13-19) because of a controversy between God and Satan (1:8-12, 2:3-6).

BIBLICAL PRINCIPLE: Things happen on earth because of reasons in heaven we know nothing about.

But Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing (unfairness) - 1:22.

2. The NT reveals that man charges God with unfairness for two reasons:

• a) he misunderstands the meaning of fairness (Mt 20:8-15)

BIBLICAL PRINCIPLE: Fairness does not mean giving everyone the same, but means giving everyone his due (what he is owed, a just debt).

• b) to justify his own sin (Mt 25:24-30) - the wicked lazy servant (v.26) charges his master with unfairness (v.24) to justify his laziness as prudence (v.25).

3. The NT assumes man will question the fairness of God's sovereign choices:

• Ro 9:18-19 - How can he condemn us? Who can resist his will (sovereignty)?
• Paul's answer to man's charge of unfairness against God is
• the same as Jesus gave in the parable (Mt 20:15); i.e.,
• to assert the authority of God (Ro 9:20-21).

4. God's answer to man's charges of unfairness:

Your ways are not my ways,
My ways are higher (better) than your ways (Is 55:8-9).
I do no wrong (Dt 32:4),
All my ways are just (Da 4:37, 9:14; Ps 145:17),
and I do what is right (Da 4:37, cf v.35)

• PERSONAL APPLICATION: We must decide who is right, and whom we will believe, man or God.

5. Paul's response to God's sovereign choice

• not to grant faith to Israel, his covenant people (Ro 11:7-8), but to cut them off (Ro 11:17, 19-20, 22) and
  
• instead grant faith to the Gentiles, who were foreigners to the covenant (Eph 2:11-12) is
• Ro 11:33-36 -

How unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways beyond finding out!
Who is wise enough that he should instruct God (Isa 40:13)?
And who has given to God that God should owe him? (Job 41:11)

6. Back to Job: While Job did not sin in what he said (Job 2:10), because he did not curse God (1:11, 2:5), he did:

• feel he had a right to an explanation, which God owed him (Job 9:16, 10:2, 13:3, 22-23)--presumption
• complain because God afflicted the righteous but not the wicked (24:12)--discrediting God's justice.

7. God responds to Job:
charges Job with

• ignorance (chps 38-39),
• casting shadows of ignorance over his wisdom (38:2), and
• discrediting his justice (40:8) in order to justify himself to his friends (6:29, 13;12-19), who were using his affliction as proof of his unrighteousness (22:4-30, 34:10-12, 31-37, 35:12-16, 36:8-17)

challenges Job (40:7-8) to match him in

• justice (40:8)
• power (40:9)
• majesty (40:10) and
• dominion (40:11-14).

BIBLICAL PRINCIPLE: We do not question God (Ro 9:20), he questions us (Job 38:3, 40:7).

• We do not judge God (Is 10:15), he judges us (Job 40:2).
• Nor do we call God to the bar of our reason (Ro 9:20; Is 45:11-12)
  to judge him based on human understanding and human ways (Job 1:22)
• The Bible calls that "turning things upside down as if the potter were thought to be like the clay." (Is 29:16, NIV)

8. Job is

• humbled (42:3), repents (42:6) and embraces the sovereign actions of God (40:2, 5), although
• he is never given an explanation for his affliction (see #1, Biblical Principle).
• Job no longer needed an explanation (42:3), for he had experienced the glory of God (42:5, cf 19:26-27), which far surpasses anything found on earth (Php 3:8-10).

9. Outcome of Job's trial:

• deeper heart knowledge and realized fellowship with God (42:3, 5, 8, cf 19:26-27; Ps 42:1-2, 63:1, 84:1-2).
• double possessions (42:10)--foreshadowing of spirituall possessions (Heb 10:34; 1Pe 1:4-5),
• long life (42:16)--foreshadowing eternal life (Jas 1:12).

10. Parallels between Job and Christ:

• the Righteous One (Ac 7:52, 3:14),
• sorely afflicted by God (Is 53:3-5)
• because of a controversy with Satan (Ge 3:15; Jn 12:31; Mt 12:29; Lk 10:18-19),
• who was emptied and humbled (Php 2:5-8)
• for his greater glory (Heb 12:2; Php 2:9-11; 2Co 4:17), and
• exalted to intercede for his friends (Ac 2:33; Heb 7:25, cf Job 45:7-10).

11. God's answer to man's objections regarding his absolute sovereignty:

I am all wise and all just (Is 40:13-14; Ps 89:14),
I do what is best and what is right (Dt 32:4; Ps 119:68; Da 4:37).
TRUST ME, and lean not on your own understanding.

PERSONAL APPLICATION: The sovereignty of God requires our trust, not our understanding. (Ro 11:33)

Please revisit and explain with more detail what you have written concerning God's not granting faith to Israel his covenant people, so as to show how that really works.

Seems well discerned and spoken all but for here:

• not to grant faith to Israel, his covenant people (Ro 11:7-8), but to cut them off (Ro 11:17, 19-20, 22) and
  
• instead grant faith to the Gentiles, who were foreigners to the covenant (Eph 2:11-12) is
• Ro 11:33-36 -

 

[richie_2uk]

you forgot the book of Job. you think God was unfair to do what he allowed the enemy to do to Job? Nope. God Give us and he can take away at his willing. Mainly to test our faith we have for him. and God is not unfair to test us now and then.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

you forgot the book of Job. you think God was unfair to do what he allowed the enemy to do to Job? Nope. God Give us and he can take away at his willing. Mainly to test our faith we have for him. and God is not unfair to test us now and then.

I agree with you 100%.

I assumed, and hopefully was right in assuming it, that the OP merely allowed ambiguity to exist in the way she stated the following:

But Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing (unfairness) - 1:22.

That can be understood as saying, Job did not charge God with wrongdoing and so did not sin, or;

It can be understood as saying, Job charged God with wrongdoing but it was not a sin for him to do so.

That is a perfect example of an ambiguous statement, able to be interpreted in more than one way.

Every writer must always be conscious to word things unambiguously.

 

[crossnote]

Please revisit and explain with more detail what you have written concerning God's not granting faith to Israel his covenant people, so as to show how that really works.

Seems well discerned and spoken all but for here:

• not to grant faith to Israel, his covenant people (Ro 11:7-8), but to cut them off (Ro 11:17, 19-20, 22) and
  
• instead grant faith to the Gentiles, who were foreigners to the covenant (Eph 2:11-12) is
• Ro 11:33-36 -

Not to put words in Elin's mouth (I don't think she'd agree with the following) but I believe Paul was speaking of a temporary hardening and cutting off.

 

[unclefester]

you forgot the book of Job. you think God was unfair to do what he allowed the enemy to do to Job? Nope. God Give us and he can take away at his willing. Mainly to test our faith we have for him. and God is not unfair to test us now and then.

I found the subsequent following paragraphs in Elin's OP made this point fairly clear.

BIBLICAL PRINCIPLE: We do not question God (Ro 9:20), he questions us (Job 38:3, 40:7).

• We do not judge God (Is 10:15), he judges us (Job 40:2).
• Nor do we call God to the bar of our reason (Ro 9:20; Is 45:11-12)
  to judge him based on human understanding and human ways (Job 1:22)
• The Bible calls that "turning things upside down as if the potter were thought to be like the clay." (Is 29:16, NIV)

8. Job is

• humbled (42:3), repents (42:6) and embraces the sovereign actions of God (40:2, 5), although
• he is never given an explanation for his affliction (see #1, Biblical Principle).
• Job no longer needed an explanation (42:3), for he had experienced the glory of God (42:5, cf 19:26-27), which far surpasses anything found on earth (Php 3:8-10).

9. Outcome of Job's trial:

• deeper heart knowledge and realized fellowship with God (42:3, 5, 8, cf 19:26-27; Ps 42:1-2, 63:1, 84:1-2).
• double possessions (42:10)--foreshadowing of spirituall possessions (Heb 10:34; 1Pe 1:4-5),
• long life (42:16)--foreshadowing eternal life (Jas 1:12).

And ultimately this :

PERSONAL APPLICATION: The sovereignty of God requires our trust, not our understanding. (Ro 11:33)

 

[crossnote]

I agree with you 100%.

I assumed, and hopefully was right in assuming it, that the OP merely allowed ambiguity to exist in the way she stated the following:

But Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing (unfairness) - 1:22.

That can be understood as saying, Job did not charge God with wrongdoing and so did not sin, or;

It can be understood as saying, Job charged God with wrongdoing but it was not a sin for him to do so.

That is a perfect example of an ambiguous statement, able to be interpreted in more than one way.

Every writer must always be conscious to word things unambiguously.

Funny, I took it to mean 'one way Job did not sin was to charge God with wrong doing' (he may have sinned in other ways).

 

[nw2u]

Thank you, Elin.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

I found the subsequent following paragraphs in Elin's OP made this point fairly clear.

BIBLICAL PRINCIPLE: We do not question God (Ro 9:20), he questions us (Job 38:3, 40:7).

• We do not judge God (Is 10:15), he judges us (Job 40:2).
• Nor do we call God to the bar of our reason (Ro 9:20; Is 45:11-12)
  to judge him based on human understanding and human ways (Job 1:22)
• The Bible calls that "turning things upside down as if the potter were thought to be like the clay." (Is 29:16, NIV)

8. Job is

• humbled (42:3), repents (42:6) and embraces the sovereign actions of God (40:2, 5), although
• he is never given an explanation for his affliction (see #1, Biblical Principle).
• Job no longer needed an explanation (42:3), for he had experienced the glory of God (42:5, cf 19:26-27), which far surpasses anything found on earth (Php 3:8-10).

9. Outcome of Job's trial:

• deeper heart knowledge and realized fellowship with God (42:3, 5, 8, cf 19:26-27; Ps 42:1-2, 63:1, 84:1-2).
• double possessions (42:10)--foreshadowing of spirituall possessions (Heb 10:34; 1Pe 1:4-5),
• long life (42:16)--foreshadowing eternal life (Jas 1:12).

And ultimately this :

PERSONAL APPLICATION: The sovereignty of God requires our trust, not our understanding. (Ro 11:33)

To really get the full picture we must examine Job's three false accusers, also in the light of the righteous young Elihu's comments.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Not to put words in Elin's mouth (I don't think she'd agree with the following) but I believe Paul was speaking of a temporary hardening and cutting off.

Well, yes and no. I will comment on that in a little while, as it is not as the rough transfer from the Greek into our language has led many to believe.

But first, please consider the following, which I also spoke to another and will just leave here exactly as I previously spoke it to that other person in another thread.

Please consider:

OK, but you are not really answering my question. Unless I am forced to assume that you mean those promises were made to the flesh that is passed by the flesh of those who received those promises, which if you do mean that, then I must respectfully disagree.

All flesh died in Adam. Since Adam, God has only respected a right spirit of faith toward him. And those promises were not given to Abraham's, Isaac's, or Jacob's body of flesh so that they could be passed by fleshly birth, but instead they were given to the spirit of a right faith, independent of spiritually dead human flesh.

Anything not holy can only be spiritually dead. Even the Law demonstrates that.

The only reason that God used the flesh to pass what appeared to be that promise being passed through that flesh was to have a clear way for all to be able to identify the one with the true right to those promises when he would arrive.

And that has been confused as proof that the promises did belong to the flesh, but the reality is that they never did. They couldn't.

All flesh died in Adam in the spiritual sense. All flesh corrupted it's way. No flesh is holy and anything not holy, even by that Old Law, is declared to be spiritually dead. God allowed that failure of Israel to keep that Old Law Covenant to demonstrate that spiritually dead state by law, exposing it by law, that the sin in that spiritually dead flesh would be shown to have full right to kill that flesh and God proved just.

Thus all would be proved dead and God's grace could then step in for all, both for the Jews and for the Gentiles.

 

[Nancyer]

Excellent study, thank you. I plan to delve deeper into this, will post if I come up with other understandings or questions.

A lot of good responses for non believers I think.

Blesings always

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Not to put words in Elin's mouth (I don't think she'd agree with the following) but I believe Paul was speaking of a temporary hardening and cutting off.

What I want to know of Elin, is does she see that God did not cause Israel's lack of faith, he merely let them stay in their blindness due to their lack of faith:

Romans 9:32 "Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone."

Human birth passes human flesh. That flesh was unholy and dead since Adam, and thus as God cannot reward that which is unholy, unholiness having no place in his presence, then God looked to find a modicum of faith in man, by a right spirit in each man which he could declare clean and able to be rewarded.

 

[Graybeard]

Hi, guys!

Been wanting to share another little tidbit of a study from God's word, on the order of the Leviticus notes.

- - - - - - - - - - -

1. Job, a godly man (Job 1:8, 2:3), was sorely afflicted by God (1:21, 2:10) and lost everything (1:13-19) because of a controversy between God and Satan (1:8-12, 2:3-6).

............

but Job got back double of everything that he lost...everything.

 

[Elin]

Please revisit and explain with more detail what you have written concerning God's not granting faith to Israel his covenant people, so as to show how that really works.

Seems well discerned and spoken all but for here:

• not to grant faith to Israel, his covenant people (Ro 11:7-8), but to cut them off (Ro 11:17, 19-20, 22) and
  
• instead grant faith to the Gentiles, who were foreigners to the covenant (Eph 2:11-12) is
• Ro 11:33-36 -

Thanks for the kind words.

Well, faith is granted to us (Php 1:29), but God has decided to harden the larger part of Israel (Ro 11:25) at this time instead of granting them faith.

 

[Elin]

I agree with you 100%.

I assumed, and hopefully was right in assuming it, that
the OP merely allowed ambiguity to exist in the way she stated the following:

But Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing (unfairness) - 1:22.

That can be understood as saying, Job did not charge God with wrongdoing and so did not sin, or;

It can be understood as saying, Job charged God with wrongdoing but it was not a sin for him to do so.

That is a perfect example of an ambiguous statement, able to be interpreted in more than one way.

Every writer must always be conscious to word things unambiguously.

Thanks for pointing that out.

I meant the former, for we do not find Job charging God with wrongdoing.

 

[Elin]

Not to put words in Elin's mouth (I don't think she'd agree with the following) but I believe Paul was speaking of a temporary hardening and cutting off.

Yes, he puts an "until" on it.

They will be grafted in again if they do not persist in unbelief (Ro 11:23).

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Thanks for the kind words.

Well, faith is granted to us (Php 1:29), but God has decided to harden the larger part of Israel (Ro 11:25) at this time instead of granting them faith.

Yes, and while that is true, it is also another statement that can be interpreted more than one way, I will post the following for your consideration:

What does it really mean that God hardened their hearts?

It means he stopped disciplining them as sons (as in trying to soften their hearts), as we saw he did with Israel over and over again. God would no longer try to discipline them as he had in the past but would now give it to another nation and through that nation incite to jealousy as many of them as might be saved. And that is only a remnant.

Hebrews 12:7-8 "If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons."

They did not endure chastising and benefited not from it. Thus God divorced them and set them on the same level as the rest of the world. That is not rejecting them, it is just knocking their pride down a notch. If they want that discipline as a son they must humble themselves to see that their flesh merits them nothing above any other peoples and receive that discipline in the same manner that we all must do.

 

[Elin]

What I want to know of Elin, is does she see that God did not cause Israel's lack of faith, he merely let them stay in their blindness due to their lack of faith:

Yes, precisely.

We are all born with hard hearts and enemies of God.
All God has to do to "harden" one in unbelief, is simply not provide his softening grace.

Romans 9:32 "Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone."

Human birth passes human flesh. That flesh was unholy and dead since Adam, and thus as God cannot reward that which is unholy, unholiness having no place in his presence, then God looked to find a modicum of faith in man, by a right spirit in each man which he could declare clean and able to be rewarded.[/QUOTE]

 

[kardiaoangelous]

To understand verse ROMANS 11:25 properly you have to take all Paul said into account:

(1) It had been established in chapter 10 that Paul was upset that the Gentiles lacked zeal to preach to his fleshly relatives, asking them "How will they here without someone to preach?"

(2) Verse 1 shows the Gentiles being affected by the Jews persecution of them had caused them to act as though all the remaining Jews yet outside of Christ must have been completely cast off.

(3) Verses 2-5 argues that it is no different than in Elias day, that there is yet a remnant of them still out there. Only a remnant yet out there.

(4) Verses 6-11 shows that God did not take the full remnant all at once but was bringing that remnant in gradually so that the Gentiles could be benefited by being used to help bring the remainder of that remnant in.

(5) Verse 14 shows Paul was not speaking of all Jews yet out there being save, but only some, as in the remaining part of the remnant of them, just as in the days of Elias. (Compare Romans 10:1 showing Paul only hoped they might be saved.)

(6) Verse 15 Paul argues that the fulness of that remaining remnant yet out there is valuable to God, even as all human life from the dead even of the gentiles is.

(7) Verse 16 Paul argues that if the firstfruits of that remnant be holy to God then the entire lump of that remnant yet out there must also be holy to God. (That gets missed to apply to all as in the entire Israel but that idea jumps from Paul's theme arguing for the remnant yet out there. We must stick with Paul's theme and his theme is that just as in Elias day there is yet part of a remnant still out there, even as Elias was the first part of that remnant back in his day and more of a remnant remained out there.)

(8) Verses 17-24 merely warns the Gentiles to not be so high minded because God could cut them back off that tree, as in permanently and revert back to only saving a remnant of those Jews rather than a remnant of both Jews and Gentiles.

(9) Verse 25, which actually says when properly translated and understood, Stop making this out as something mysterious in your ignorance. It is no mystery. That remaining part of that remnant which is yet out there, will be out there as it is being brought in along with the fulness of the Gentiles being brought in.

(10) Verse 26-31 (as compared to what Paul said at Romans 9: 6-15) is only telling us that remnant of all who are really Israel by the election of God (not of flesh) will be saved just as it was prophesied that remnant would be. It has never been prophesied that all would be saved which is why Paul clearly said he hoped to save some of them in verse 14. It is false doctrine that claims God ever said all Israel as in all Israel by flesh would be saved. And it the spirit of the Synagogue of Satan per Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 which has infiltrated that idea into the church.

(11) Verse 32 says, Romans 11:32 "For God hath concluded them [as in the remaining part of that remnant] all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all [of the remnant of both Jews and gentiles yet out there.].

Them is a word added by the translator in verse 32 and actually says, Romans 11:32 "For God hath concluded all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all." Which is the same exact thing Paul spoke of at Galatians 3:22. Read the entire Galatians chapter 3 and you will see all he meant at Romans 11:32.

I have been staying strictly to the scriptures with them all the way through our discussion. crossnote has injected opinion all over the place and has not stayed by scripture. He blasphemes Abraham and Paul in his opinions which go way outside of scripture, touting that Abraham had no faith before God approached him the way that the wicked generation of Jews back then demanded a sign before they could have faith. He is saying that is what Abraham did and blaspheming Abraham.

And he claims that Paul had not faith in God before his conversion on the road to Damascus. That is a blasphemy by missed understanding. You guys have mistaken faith in Christ with faith in the Father. It was on the basis of true faith in the Father that Abel was remembered and that Noah and his family was saved. Abraham's faith was in the Father. The Promises were given upon faith in the Father not upon faith in the seed that is Jesus and everyone has missed that, transferring that faith all over to Jesus who was back when the promises were made only the seed, the thing promised of God the Father and faith was in the word of the Father that God cannot lie.

And Paul had that. He lacked yet fully understanding the thing promised but his faith in God was strong.

Please grasp this and help me break this reign of the synagogue of Satan in the church. We need to educate ourselves so we can bring them to their knees.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

THERE IS MUCH CONFUSION OVER FAITH AND WHERE FAITH BEGINS.

Mark this into your minds with unalterable ink: Jesus said plainly, Matthew 11:27 "All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Remember what Jesus told Peter when Jesus asked who they thought Jesus was: Matthew 16:15 "He [Jesus] saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

THAT IS WHERE FAITH BEGINS. THAT IS WHERE FAITH BEGAN FOR ABEL, FOR ENOCH, AND FOR NOAH WHO BY IT FOUND THE DIVINE FAVOR OF GRACE IN GOD'S EYES. Genesis 6:8 "But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD."

THAT IS WHERE FAITH BEGAN FOR ABRAHAM, FOR ISAAC, AND FOR JACOB.

SARAH HAD TROUBLE WITH THAT BEGINNING FAITH BUT ABRAHAM DID NOT. THEREFORE GOD HAD TO TELL ABRAHAM TO LISTEN TO SARAH AND DO WHAT SARAH REQUESTED OF HIM. SO THEN ABRAHAM'S SIRING OFFSPRING BY SARAH'S MAID SERVANT WAS NOT ABRAHAM LACKING IN FAITH.

GOD TOLD ABRAHAM TO LISTEN TO SARAH SO THAT HE COULD CREATE THE LIVING ALLEGORY PAUL SPEAKS OF AT GALATIANS 4:21-31. GOD USE EVERYTHING CONNECTED TO ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND JACOB BACK THEN TO CREATE VARIOUS ALLEGORIES FOR US TODAY TO ASSIST OUR ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT TOOK PLACE WITH FLESHLY ISRAEL VERSES GOD'S TRUE ISRAEL OF THE SPIRIT.

THAT FAITH HAS ALWAYS BEGAN IN GOD THE FATHER THAT HE CANNOT LIE!!! THAT IS THE BEGINNING FAITH THAT GOD BLESSED THAT SPIRIT OF FAITH BY THOSE IN GOD THAT HE CANNOT LIE. AS HIS TRUE ISRAEL OF A RIGHT SPIRIT WHICH BELIEVES WITH IT'S WHOLE HEART THAT GOD CANNOT LIE, GOD ELECTED THEM TO BE IN CHRIST WHERE BY BEING IN CHRIST THEY COULD THEN COME TO KNOW THE FATHER INTIMATELY IN TERMS OF HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS AND KNOW HOW TO RID THEMSELVES OF THEIR OWN FLAWED RIGHTEOUSNESS.

THE MEEK ARE THOSE WHO HAVE THAT FAITH THAT GOD CANNOT LIE. AND THAT HAS TO EXIST FIRST OR NO ONE WOULD EVER ACCEPT CHRIST. THE OT TELLS US THAT SINCE THE FIRST ONE, ABEL, SUCH MEEK ONES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN IN THE EARTH TO BE FOUND. IN FACT GOD MAKES IT CLEAR THAT HAD THEY NOT BEEN GOD WOULD HAVE JUST GONE AHEAD AND DESTROYED THE EARTH, COMPLETELY.


IT IS BLASPHEMY AGAINST GOD AND AGAINST ABRAHAM, PAUL, OR ANYONE, TO CLAIM THEY DID NOT HAVE TO HAVE THAT BEGINNING FAITH IN GOD THAT HE CANNOT LIE, BEFORE GOD COULD REVEAL CHRIST TO THEM, OR EVEN BEFORE GOD WOULD HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM IN TERMS OF BLESSING THEM WITH THE PROMISES.


THIS IS AN EXTREMELY SERIOUS MATTER FOLKS. IT CANNOT GET MORE SERIOUS AS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BLASPHEMING GOD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT WHICH REVEALS THIS ERROR CONCERNING FAITH TO THE MANY THAT HAVE PUT IT ALL IN CHRIST AND FORGOTTEN TO TEACH THAT BEGINNING FAITH IN GOD.

HERE WHAT I SAY AND FEAR GOD.


ASK YOURSELVES IF CROSSNOTE'S CLAIM THAT I AM WRONG IN THIS BECAUSE OF WHAT PAUL SAID AT ROMANS 10:17.

Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

ABSORB THAT A SECOND SO THAT YOU CAN SEE HOW SUBTLE FORCES ARE THAT MISLEAD.

NOW HEAR THIS: Matthew 13:14 "And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive.."

RIGHT THERE YOU CAN BEGIN TO UNRAVEL CROSSNOTE'S LIE. BUT DON'T HATE HIM AS HE MAY PERHAPS REPENT IT AND IF NOT THEN HE DESIRES TO BE RIGHT MORE THAN HE DESIRES TO KNOW TRUTH. IT WILL BE YOUR DUTY TO HIM AND TO GOD TO IGNORE HIM UNTIL HE DOES REPENT IT. OTHERWISE HE WILL ONLY BE CONTENT TO KEEP DECEIVING HIMSELF. AND TO ALLOW THAT WOULD NOT BE LOVING OF US.

AS I SAID, WE CAN BEGIN TO UNRAVEL THAT LIE, HERE, Matthew 13:14 "And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive.."

THEY HEARD BUT NO FAITH IN WHO CAME? NO FAITH IN CHRIST CAME. BUT, THAT DID NOT MEAN THAT THEY HAD NO FAITH IN GOD THAT HE CANNOT LIE SO THAT THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE NO FAITH THAT GOD WOULD DELIVER ON HIS PROMISES. ABOUT 2% OF THEM TODAY OUT OF THAT 10% THAT ACTUALLY EXPRESS BELIEF IN GOD, YET HOLD OUT HOPE OF REALIZING THOSE PROMISES. THEY JUST HAVE NOT YET UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY ARE FULFILLED IN JESUS AS THE MESSIAH. AND THAT TWO PERCENT MAY YET WAKE UP. COMPARE WHAT I HERE SAID TO THE LAST POST WHERE I DISCUSSED ROMANS CHAPTER 11 AND SHOWED THAT THE ENTIRE THEME STICKS TO THAT REMNANT, RATHER THAN TO THE WHOLE NATION.

FOR THE TRUE ISRAELITE BY THE SPIRIT OF FAITH IN GOD THAT HE CANNOT LIE AND THAT THEREFOR THESE PROMISES SURELY MUST COME, THEIR NOT ACCEPTING JESUS ONLY MEANT THAT THEY DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE WORD THEY HEARD ABOUT JESUS.

AND FOR THAT SMALL NUMBER WHO ACTUALLY HAD THAT MODICUM OF FAITH IN GOD THAT HE CANNOT LIE, THAT WAS BECAUSE IT REQUIRES GOD TO HELP THEM TO HAVE FAITH IN JESUS AS DISCUSSED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS POST. THUS IT WAS ONLY TRUE FOR THAT SMALL NUMBER WHO ACTUALLY HAD THAT MODICUM OF FAITH IN GOD THAT HE CANNOT LIE THAT IT CAN BE SAID THAT GOD LET THEM REMAIN BLINDED.

THE ONES LACKING THAT MODICUM OF FAITH, OF WHICH PAUL WAS NOT ONE, THEY HAD BLINDED THEMSELVES THROUGH UNBELIEF OF THEIR OWN EMPTY MINDS THAT COULD NOT SEE GOD IN ALL THAT GOD HAS DONE AND IN CREATION AROUND THEM TO HAVE MODICUM OF FAITH IN GOD THAT GOD CANNOT LIE. WE SEE THAT TYPE ALL AROUND US.

BUT THAT IS WHERE READING WHAT PAUL SPEAKS CONFUSES MANY AS SOMETIMES HE IS SPEAKING OF THAT LARGER PORTION WHICH BLINDED THEMSELVES BY THEIR OWN UNWILLINGNESS TO BELIEVE EVEN IN THE FATHER. (LIKE THEY 8O TO 90 PERCENT OF ISRAEL TODAY), AND SOMETIMES PAUL WAS SPEAKING OF THE REMNANT (THAT SMALL NUMBER) YET BLIND BECAUSE GOD HAD NOT YET OPENED THEIR EYES AS GOD HAD RESERVED IT FOR THEM TO HAVE THEIR EYES OPENED BY BEING PREACHED TO BY THE GENTILES INCITING THEM TO JEALOUSY WHEN THEY PREACHED TO THEM.

WE HAVE TO DISCERN FROM THE CONTEXT AND OUR KNOWLEDGE OF ALL THAT PAUL HAS TOLD US, WHICH ONES OF THAT NATION PAUL IS SPEAKING OF WHEN HE SPEAKS.

MANY OF THEM LACKED THAT FAITH IN GOD THAT HE CANNOT LIE BUT THOSE ONES WOULD NOT TRY EVEN TO SERVE GOD BY THEIR OWN ZEAL. NO ONE SERVES GOD IF THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN HIM AND THOSE ONES WOULD NOT BE AT ALL INTERESTED TO HEAR ANYONE PREACH TO THEM SO AS TO BE MADE JEALOUS BY THE ONE PREACHING TO THEM.

HOW DOES THAT JEALOUSY WORK? IT WORKS THAT IN WHEN THE GENTILE PREACHER CAME TO THEM TO PREACH TO THEM, THE ONES THAT HAD THAT FAITH IN GOD THAT HE CANNOT LIE WOULD NOT LIKE A GENTILE KNOWING MORE THAN THEY. AND THAT WOULD BE A FORCE TO MOVE THEM TO TRY HARDER TO THINK THE MATTER THROUGH.

THAT EFFORT OF THEIR FAITH IN GOD THAT HE CANNOT LIE GOD WOULD THEN BLESS AND REMOVE THE VEIL FROM OFF OF THEIR HEART.

BUT HE HAD LEFT THAT SMALL NUMBER OF THE BLINDED FOR THE SAKE OF THE GENTILES, FOR IF GOD WAS GOING TO HELP THE GENTILES TO BECOME IN DEPTH IN THEIR KNOWLEDGE IT WOULD MOST CERTAINLY BE BY HAVING THEM PREACH TO TRUE JEWS OF FAITH THAT HAD THAT BACKGROUND KNOWLEDGE. THAT WOULD MAKE A GENTILE HAVE TO WORK HIMSELF TO A FULLER UNDERSTANDING IN ORDER TO BE EFFICIENTLY ABLE TO PREACH TO THE JEW OF FAITH IN THE PROMISES OF GOS THAT HE CANNOT LIE.

I HOPE THIS CLEARS UP MUCH OF THE CONFUSION REIGNING HERE AND ENDS THE CURRENT BLASPHEMY OR AT LEAST MINIMIZES THAT BLASPHEMY BY EQUIPPING MORE TO WAGE SPIRITUAL WARFARE AGAINST IT.