Is God Unfair?
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I 100% believe Christ and God the Father did it all myself and by this 100% trust in God, he has through me kept me safe even though I have suffered in the Body. It is not a works program of human self-effort at all. If it ever was then Christ came died and rose for notihing, if any man can obey perfectly. Man can't and is shown all through the Old Testament and shows that it is by Faith in God that a man does right by God, as Abraham did along with many oither Saints. The works of God work through the man that beleives God. When will man flesh ever get out of the way of God's full Gospel. The death, burial, resurrection and Ascencion to bring in the Comforter of the Holy Ghost that does the teaching of the truth, the truth that sets one free in God through Christ's finished work. God did it all for all those that beleive
John 16:27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
John 16:30Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.
John 16:31Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?
[h=3]John 16:8-10[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Of sin, because they believe not on me;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth;
Romans 4:5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
John 16:27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
John 16:30Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.
John 16:31Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?
[h=3]John 16:8-10[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Of sin, because they believe not on me;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth;
Romans 4:5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Let me ask you, because I hear this all the time, about this 'clear conscience', and I often wonder, how do you come by this clear conscience so many of you seem to have?
Because my conscience most certainly is not clear. I feel guilt and regret for things I did ten years ago sometimes; choices I didn't make and things I could have done better, times I hurt people and things I said that didn't come out right.
How do you all walk around with this so clean conscience even at the point of being mean to people and calling people liars and 'of the devil'? How is it that you can feel no sense of regret or wrongdoing for that?
Sometimes I wish I was that way, and then I realize it's far more dangerous to have no conscience than to have one that eats at you.
Because my conscience most certainly is not clear. I feel guilt and regret for things I did ten years ago sometimes; choices I didn't make and things I could have done better, times I hurt people and things I said that didn't come out right.
How do you all walk around with this so clean conscience even at the point of being mean to people and calling people liars and 'of the devil'? How is it that you can feel no sense of regret or wrongdoing for that?
Sometimes I wish I was that way, and then I realize it's far more dangerous to have no conscience than to have one that eats at you.
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hence why I asked was it unfair to Job the way God allowed the enemy to treat Job the way he did. LOL. Like Job when we feel that we are being unfairly treated by God, they don't often look at the full reason why God Treat us this way or that way. So our first reaction is to accuse, get irate, get mad, blame God, point the finger. Just like Job. If Job just for one minute saw himself, you think he would of got mad at God? not at the enemy? Job did get double of everything back, purely because the faith, and the love and the true dedication he had with God.
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That is the difference between a believer and an unbeliever, because believers sins are washed away by The Blood of The Lamb Jesus Christ!
Christians also feel guilt but that is a lie from Satan himself
some Christians can tend be mean, but that is because to be a Christian is a daily work we are just human as well, we also make mistakes but at least when we recognize them He(Jesus)is faithful and just to forgive us .
You can have peace of mind as well....just accept who Jesus Christ is and what He has done for you. It is not a matter of having no conscience, like I say Christians make mistakes, but as Scripture states, our accuser is the devil.
Christians also feel guilt but that is a lie from Satan himself
some Christians can tend be mean, but that is because to be a Christian is a daily work we are just human as well, we also make mistakes but at least when we recognize them He(Jesus)is faithful and just to forgive us .
You can have peace of mind as well....just accept who Jesus Christ is and what He has done for you. It is not a matter of having no conscience, like I say Christians make mistakes, but as Scripture states, our accuser is the devil.
No sir, i don't. Not even when you falsely accuse me of talking cruelly to peaople when I love them enough to be courageously honest with them for their own sake.
In accussing me that way you have revealed to me how in your heart as you read the NT you see many things said by Jesus and by all of the NT Bible writers which your mind tells you are very cruel and unloving things to say.
Be honest is that not true that you have that problem seeing things as cruelly stated when you read the NT?
Being that honest with ones self is te first step in a person's pulling the beam out of their own eye.
The second step is to learn why some times it is not love to speak softly and why sometimes love must speak the truth with a bit of force behind the spoken word.
You are mistaken greatly if you have a picture in your mind of me wreathing visible anger as that is not true. I can be forcefully honest with you when appropriate and never add extras beats to my heart by emotion at all because I know true love. It is the very same love that at times appeared cruel to you when Jesus or any of the Bible writers spoke in that necessity of love.
Have a nice life all you hypocrites who would not recognize true love if it smacked you in the face.
Affectionately said.
In accussing me that way you have revealed to me how in your heart as you read the NT you see many things said by Jesus and by all of the NT Bible writers which your mind tells you are very cruel and unloving things to say.
Be honest is that not true that you have that problem seeing things as cruelly stated when you read the NT?
Being that honest with ones self is te first step in a person's pulling the beam out of their own eye.
The second step is to learn why some times it is not love to speak softly and why sometimes love must speak the truth with a bit of force behind the spoken word.
You are mistaken greatly if you have a picture in your mind of me wreathing visible anger as that is not true. I can be forcefully honest with you when appropriate and never add extras beats to my heart by emotion at all because I know true love. It is the very same love that at times appeared cruel to you when Jesus or any of the Bible writers spoke in that necessity of love.
Have a nice life all you hypocrites who would not recognize true love if it smacked you in the face.
Affectionately said.
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God is such a wonderful God, and God is right in the middle of everything, not too far one way or too far another. We are given the HS, an acute feel for when we do right and when we do wrong. We want that. God also gives us freedom, Christ washes us clean. God wants us to have faith in His healing grace, and not live with guilt. God wants us to have a keen awareness of right and wrong that conscience gives us.
I refer for to your perceptions as "the perfect dark eye syndrome'.
You are not able to endure that chastisement of God's word without you see it as evil being rendered toward you.
Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord [especially with those that rebuke you in God's love]:
15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
You are not able to endure that chastisement of God's word without you see it as evil being rendered toward you.
Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord [especially with those that rebuke you in God's love]:
15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
Revelation 2:1 ¶Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
8 ¶And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
12 ¶And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
18 ¶And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
Revelation 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
Revelation 2:1 ¶Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
8 ¶And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
12 ¶And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.Revelation 2:18 ¶And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28 And I will give him the morning star.
29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Revelation 3:1 ¶And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
7 ¶And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
14 ¶And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
Revelation 2:1 ¶Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
8 ¶And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
12 ¶And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
18 ¶And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
Revelation 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
Revelation 2:1 ¶Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
8 ¶And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
12 ¶And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.Revelation 2:18 ¶And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28 And I will give him the morning star.
29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Revelation 3:1 ¶And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
7 ¶And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
14 ¶And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
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For you have been called to live in freedom, my brothers and sisters. But don't use your freedom to satisfy your SINFUL NATURE. Instead, use your freedom to serve one another in love. Gal. 5:13
This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all accept action. That Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of WHOM I AM CHIEf. 1 Tim. 1:15
For me, it is very clear that we are a work in progress. Yes, we are saved immediately but we are not perfected until we go home. We have the God given potential, to grow in Christ-likeness, to say we are sinless is, to me, unbiblical. A delusion. But, if some wish to have this belief it's fine by me! Because it's not my call! As long as we believe in Christ crucified and Him alone, we are safe with Him. We expose the delusion in the way some of those who believe they are sinless, write here on CC. Enough said. They are on a journey too! And all will one day be revealed. God Bless. <><
This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all accept action. That Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of WHOM I AM CHIEf. 1 Tim. 1:15
For me, it is very clear that we are a work in progress. Yes, we are saved immediately but we are not perfected until we go home. We have the God given potential, to grow in Christ-likeness, to say we are sinless is, to me, unbiblical. A delusion. But, if some wish to have this belief it's fine by me! Because it's not my call! As long as we believe in Christ crucified and Him alone, we are safe with Him. We expose the delusion in the way some of those who believe they are sinless, write here on CC. Enough said. They are on a journey too! And all will one day be revealed. God Bless. <><
No sir, i don't. Not even when you falsely accuse me of talking cruelly to peaople when I love them enough to be courageously honest with them for their own sake.
In accussing me that way you have revealed to me how in your heart as you read the NT you see many things said by Jesus and by all of the NT Bible writers which your mind tells you are very cruel and unloving things to say.
Be honest is that not true that you have that problem seeing things as cruelly stated when you read the NT?
Being that honest with ones self is te first step in a person's pulling the beam out of their own eye.
The second step is to learn why some times it is not love to speak softly and why sometimes love must speak the truth with a bit of force behind the spoken word.
You are mistaken greatly if you have a picture in your mind of me wreathing visible anger as that is not true. I can be forcefully honest with you when appropriate and never add extras beats to my heart by emotion at all because I know true love. It is the very same love that at times appeared cruel to you when Jesus or any of the Bible writers spoke in that necessity of love.
Have a nice life all you hypocrites who would not recognize true love if it smacked you in the face.
Affectionately said.
In accussing me that way you have revealed to me how in your heart as you read the NT you see many things said by Jesus and by all of the NT Bible writers which your mind tells you are very cruel and unloving things to say.
Be honest is that not true that you have that problem seeing things as cruelly stated when you read the NT?
Being that honest with ones self is te first step in a person's pulling the beam out of their own eye.
The second step is to learn why some times it is not love to speak softly and why sometimes love must speak the truth with a bit of force behind the spoken word.
You are mistaken greatly if you have a picture in your mind of me wreathing visible anger as that is not true. I can be forcefully honest with you when appropriate and never add extras beats to my heart by emotion at all because I know true love. It is the very same love that at times appeared cruel to you when Jesus or any of the Bible writers spoke in that necessity of love.
Have a nice life all you hypocrites who would not recognize true love if it smacked you in the face.
Affectionately said.
God tells us not even to do that with the Jews who have rejected their Savior, but leave it to Him. You feel called upon to do that with those who don't bow down to our ideas of scripture. "you hypocrites who do not recognize true??? love."
There is a personal fellowship with God in Christ where the Holy Spirit makes Christ and God real to us,
there is an abiding faith, love and trust in God and Christ that comforts us, and fills us with joy,
there is a felt sense of God's presence always with us and keeping us.
It's not all about just others.
there is an abiding faith, love and trust in God and Christ that comforts us, and fills us with joy,
there is a felt sense of God's presence always with us and keeping us.
It's not all about just others.
Anyone, including myself, has that potential minister of Satan (angel of darkness masquerading as an angel of light) in them and it is also called, the man of sin, aka son of destruction (perdition), aka the fleshly man masquerading as the spiritual man.
And it is what it's reality is for anyone of us that keeps it living through ignorance, and to keep it alive means death to us.
It kills and destroys both the body of Christ in slow, subtle ways not so immediately apparent and is a sign of a walking dead fleshly person.
And these very ones are the ones that usually maintain the most appealingly kind words with which to conceal the poison their false doctrines carry.
Only the truth of God carries the spirit of life. A word not well derived of scripture and there for a subtle perversion of scripture masquerades as words of life when they are in fact that adder's poison.
So it would behoove you to deeply inspect the word to see if the truth spoken is truly validated by scripture or if it is a subtle perversion of the scriptures.
Which none of you can do if you have a way you prefer the truth of scripture to be speaking over merely desiring the full and correct understanding what is truly said.
Your focus on me is your way around doing that.
because he is what he is as he refuses to listen to God's word which is the act of a fool. And I am under no obligation to apologize for speaking the truth to anyone.
The concept of such false humility that apologizes for speaking truth is born of the adder the same as all other false doctrine and the demand of it by others is used as a way around having to listen to the spoken word of truth.
It is just one of many ways to call for the execution of God's true ministers with the symbolic axe, and part of the process of spilling righteous blood.
And it is what it's reality is for anyone of us that keeps it living through ignorance, and to keep it alive means death to us.
It kills and destroys both the body of Christ in slow, subtle ways not so immediately apparent and is a sign of a walking dead fleshly person.
And these very ones are the ones that usually maintain the most appealingly kind words with which to conceal the poison their false doctrines carry.
Only the truth of God carries the spirit of life. A word not well derived of scripture and there for a subtle perversion of scripture masquerades as words of life when they are in fact that adder's poison.
So it would behoove you to deeply inspect the word to see if the truth spoken is truly validated by scripture or if it is a subtle perversion of the scriptures.
Which none of you can do if you have a way you prefer the truth of scripture to be speaking over merely desiring the full and correct understanding what is truly said.
Your focus on me is your way around doing that.
because he is what he is as he refuses to listen to God's word which is the act of a fool. And I am under no obligation to apologize for speaking the truth to anyone.
The concept of such false humility that apologizes for speaking truth is born of the adder the same as all other false doctrine and the demand of it by others is used as a way around having to listen to the spoken word of truth.
It is just one of many ways to call for the execution of God's true ministers with the symbolic axe, and part of the process of spilling righteous blood.
Let's look at that together, shall we?
Actually we need to fully grasp the first part of chapter 2 first, which shows that chapter one are words aimed at "my little children", aka babes in Christ not yet mature to full stature as a Christian.
1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world<[that yet lives in sin].
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments [and thereby do not sin].
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
This compares to scriptures like as: Titus 3:3 "For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another." (Of course the man of flesh will take even that last part out of context, "hateful, and hating one another" and seek to apply it to the chastisements of truth and love in the Lord as he is a very subtle deceiver.)
Now let me explain how I know it is correct to add the thought I did to the end of the following verse: 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments [and thereby do not sin].
First, that thought keeps with John's thought, "these things write I unto you, that ye sin not", and is based on the commandments being the seed of the word that is sown in us.
1 John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."
1 Peter 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible [seed], by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."
John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
1 Corinthians 3:6 I have planted [the life-giving spirit strong seed of that word Jesus told us about at John 6:3], Apollos watered [with more of that same word]; but God [using the spirit on that word] gave the increase.
James 1:25 "But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed."
Ephesians 2:3 "Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.[but not any longer]"
Now re-approach 1 John chapter one and then, after re-examining it the light I just shared with you, if you yet have more question, ask me.
Actually we need to fully grasp the first part of chapter 2 first, which shows that chapter one are words aimed at "my little children", aka babes in Christ not yet mature to full stature as a Christian.
1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world<[that yet lives in sin].
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments [and thereby do not sin].
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
This compares to scriptures like as: Titus 3:3 "For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another." (Of course the man of flesh will take even that last part out of context, "hateful, and hating one another" and seek to apply it to the chastisements of truth and love in the Lord as he is a very subtle deceiver.)
Now let me explain how I know it is correct to add the thought I did to the end of the following verse: 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments [and thereby do not sin].
First, that thought keeps with John's thought, "these things write I unto you, that ye sin not", and is based on the commandments being the seed of the word that is sown in us.
1 John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."
1 Peter 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible [seed], by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."
John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
1 Corinthians 3:6 I have planted [the life-giving spirit strong seed of that word Jesus told us about at John 6:3], Apollos watered [with more of that same word]; but God [using the spirit on that word] gave the increase.
James 1:25 "But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed."
Ephesians 2:3 "Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.[but not any longer]"
Now re-approach 1 John chapter one and then, after re-examining it the light I just shared with you, if you yet have more question, ask me.
I have not heard 'sinless' (the screen name of another person who frequented this chat site) around lately. And I hope that does not mean anyone has gone and executed him with the symbolic axe, thus symbolically spilling his blood for saying he was sinless.
But if so, it is an honor to be so executed as was Christ.
But if so, it is an honor to be so executed as was Christ.
Please take time to visit schoolofyoungprophet's thread:
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...rn-humility-jesus-zac-poonen.html#post1051604
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...rn-humility-jesus-zac-poonen.html#post1051604
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I see a symbolic ax coming...not from the truth, but just
from putting in on a warhead, rather than a plate.
Took the Lord more than a few years patiently to train
His men and still they didnt see much....whats a few posts?
Seems like whats going on here is far from truth and being firm
on that, rather personal punches and belittling. Not the best method ive seen.
from putting in on a warhead, rather than a plate.
Took the Lord more than a few years patiently to train
His men and still they didnt see much....whats a few posts?
Seems like whats going on here is far from truth and being firm
on that, rather personal punches and belittling. Not the best method ive seen.