Is Obama the anichrist discussion

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Elizabeth619

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Why does American presidents always have to be the anti Christ? Can't the queen of england get the blame every now and then?
 
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he's just another puppet for the world elite.
 
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The first place I think of in scripture is in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-15 The title in the NKJ version is
The Great Apostasy. "Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom The Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteousness deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by The Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle."

Keep searching and praying and The Lord will reveal the answer to your question in His word. This is just one scripture I was drawn to when I had the same question about Obama that you do. My opinion is I don't know for sure, I do believe we are in the end times and we need to stand fast and stay in prayer and the word of God and we won't be shaken or surprised. I don't know if this will help, but I hope you'll find encouragement in this scripture. God Bless

You are correct. :)

Any force that causes apostasy is against Christ.

Any person that speaks anything that leads away from Christ or misrepresents Christ is an antichrist.

There is no place in the scripture which says there is a singular antichrist but that it was not merely misunderstood to be saying that.

Let's look at the only places where the antichrist is even mentioned and extract the places which seem to be speaking of a singular antichrist so that we can examine those scriptures:

Note that John here uses the word, "antichrist", first as in a composite sense by the singular form to represent that "many antichrists" would come as that singular "antichrist":
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.


John then speaks simply to help us see how to identify such individuals of that many who shall come:
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.


John again speaks supporting his claim that they are many, saying, "every spirit" and references them again in singular form as a group:
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


And again John speaks of the "many deceivers" as being a composite group, saying, "This is a deceiver and an antichrist.":
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.


So, as we clearly ought to be able to see, John never advocated that there would ever come a singular dominate antichrist as one individual person. That is an idea of men that have not understood that all those combined who are involved in causing that apostasy at 2 Thess 2 are that composite man of sin, son of perdition, the many of which are spoken of in singular form just as John also did to represent that group of many antichrists.
 
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See yyou sound like an unbeliever who ask for proof if gods real, where not gunna get proof but accordingg to our spirits we will reconize him as evil, a chips cummin out in 2017 in america obama is in the illuminarty see i aintt poinring fingers but tthe boot fits
 
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See yyou sound like an unbeliever who ask for proof if gods real, where not gunna get proof but accordingg to our spirits we will reconize him as evil, a chips cummin out in 2017 in america obama is in the illuminarty see i aintt poinring fingers but tthe boot fits
Need more studying of the antichrist I see.
 
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Of course Barack Hussien Osama bin Satan is the devil its in his name!!!
 
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Need more studying of the antichrist I see.

Sad but true as this thread clearly demonstrates, many do need to study Scripture and quit listening to the commonly taught false doctrines! Satan’s ploy has worked well. False doctrines about antichrist, has turned antichrist into some ficticous boogeyman that supposedly will rule the world. Sadly there is not a single verse in Scripture that supports that Scripturally bankrupt view. How has the ploy worked? In today’s world many are so intent trying to figure out whom this ficticous boogeyman is that they fail to recognize we are surrounded by antichrists (Atheists, muslims, etc… and the list goes on and on). I fear that the commonly taught false doctrine that antichrist rules prior to Christ’s return will cause many to claim Christ is the antichrist when He does return. Why? Because they believe this ficticous boogeyman comes first and when he fails to appear as they believe he will, they risk being duped into believing that Christ is supposedly just the antichrist coming on the clouds with lying signs and wonders trying to dupe the masses. Sadly those who fall for this line will be on bent knee on Judgment day trying to explain to Christ why they believed He was the antichrist. It would be difficult to explain how one who supposedly knows Christ failed to recognize Him and called Him the antichrist.

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

The 4 verses quoted above are the only 4 verses in Scripture that use the term antichrist or antichrists. Not one of those 4 verses suggests or give us reason to believe antichrist is a world ruler or that there is only one antichrist. Instead those verses tell us that all who deny Christ/God are antichrists and they have been with us since John wrote those verses. Sadly many claim 1John2:18 lends support to the view antichrist is a future boogeyman. Unfortunately it does not. In 1John4:3 John tells us “this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world” Those that are intellectually honest with Scripture recognize that John already told us exactly who/what antichrist shall come is.

Satan’s ploy has worked well the masses have been duped and they are so indoctrinated they refuse to accept the truth even when shown what Scripture really says. Sadly those who have been deluded into believing this lie are so busy looking over their shoulder for the boogeyman that they fail to recognize the leopard, bear, lion beast (spiritual kingdom of islam) of Rev13 is staring right at them ready to take their heads.
 

notuptome

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First he is not smart enough to be the antichrist. He is antichrist but not the antichrist. I suspect that the antichrist will be of Jewish heritage.

For the cause of Christ
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First he is not smart enough to be the antichrist. He is antichrist but not the antichrist. I suspect that the antichrist will be of Jewish heritage.
In the following verses that define what antichrist is according to God’s Word, which one describes antichrist as being of Jewish heritage?
1Jn 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.


 
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First he is not smart enough to be the antichrist. He is antichrist but not the antichrist. I suspect that the antichrist will be of Jewish heritage.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
For starters, no one has to be smart. They can be dum-asses for all I care! Point is and this is all it is that if you are to be an antichrist simply means it is you, and anyone else like you, that doesn't believe Jesus is the Son of God.

So, do you NOT believe Jesus came in the flesh and is the Son of God? Then you are an antichrist. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

1 John 4:3 spoke of your imaginary friend called the antichrist and clearly said "That ain't happenin!" Tis a rumor! Somebody told you a lie and I'm telling you the truth, so get over it and listen to what I said. All that from that one verse! John said the master single being antichrist is a myth. He doesn't exist.
 

notuptome

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For starters, no one has to be smart. They can be dum-asses for all I care! Point is and this is all it is that if you are to be an antichrist simply means it is you, and anyone else like you, that doesn't believe Jesus is the Son of God.

So, do you NOT believe Jesus came in the flesh and is the Son of God? Then you are an antichrist. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

1 John 4:3 spoke of your imaginary friend called the antichrist and clearly said "That ain't happenin!" Tis a rumor! Somebody told you a lie and I'm telling you the truth, so get over it and listen to what I said. All that from that one verse! John said the master single being antichrist is a myth. He doesn't exist.
The antichrist AKA the false prophet seen in Revelation 19:20.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

notuptome

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In the following verses that define what antichrist is according to God’s Word, which one describes antichrist as being of Jewish heritage?
1Jn 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.


What about the nation of Israel leads you to believe that they will follow anyone who is not of Jewish heritage especially in religious matters? they certainly are not going to follow the pope or an imam.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

JaumeJ

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It never quite sunk in for me that the US is the center of any kind of prophecy of the Word. Much has, is and will take place in Israel I believe, but Americans tend to give themselves too much credit in Bible prophecy. Of course if you live in any country that has a large Christian representation, the people do the same there. The anti-Christ, I suppose people here are talking of the beast, will most likely be a Jew with another Jew as his prophet since our Father has use Jews to fulfill all prophesy in past times. Obama is the President of the Unites States, and he does not seem to be any better or any worse than many, most other Presidents. I advise all to watch Jerusalem.
Okay so we all have heard it, we all have our opinions of it. But if that's all they are then we have no truth in it. On one side we have the ones who believe he is the antichrist and on the other we have the ones who say he isn't.

So, this discussion is simple, do you think he is or isn't, why or why not and post any kind of proof to go with your opinion.
 
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Be careful as to not directly follow the interpretation in the Left Behind series. Remember it is not to be taken literally as it is meant for entertainment purposes only. And not to mention the eschatological system he chooses to follow was not widely accepted until very recently. Bear that is mind folks :) Who knows? We could all be wrong :p
 

Agricola

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Why do we have to have people being "clever" by point scoring over antichrists v The AntiChrist aka The Beast along with his sidekick, False Prophet.

The Bible gives a description and Obama does not fit.
 
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The antichrist AKA the false prophet seen in Revelation 19:20.

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Roger
The false prophet of Rev19 is not some future boogeyman known as the antichrist. You can not show one shred of sound Scriptural support to believe that he is an end time world leader or that he is known as the antichrist. Isn’t it time to honestly evaluate the Scripturally bankrupt false doctrines that have derived from the antireformation writings of the Jesuit priest Ribera? Or do you prefer drinking 400 year old kool aid that had no flavor to begin with?
 
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doulos

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What about the nation of Israel leads you to believe that they will follow anyone who is not of Jewish heritage especially in religious matters?
Where in Scripture does it say the nation of Israel follows some boogeyman (aka “the Antichrist”)?
Scri[pture does not say that Israel will follow some boogeyman called the Antichrist, if it did you could show me the verse. Book, chapter and verse please, not guess work theology based on the writings of an antireformation Jesuit priest.
 
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Okay so we all have heard it, we all have our opinions of it. But if that's all they are then we have no truth in it. On one side we have the ones who believe he is the antichrist and on the other we have the ones who say he isn't.

So, this discussion is simple, do you think he is or isn't, why or why not and post any kind of proof to go with your opinion.

Is this your most important question in your life? I think there are more important issues.
 
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The antichrist AKA the false prophet seen in Revelation 19:20.

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Roger
Won't buy into you lies. antichrist and false prophet are two different things yet, to some point, similar. The false prophet is a certain person that also holds the status of being an antichrist. All Muslims who worship Allah (or Satan) are also antichrists. The only commonality between the false prophet and antichrist is that both don't believe in the Son of God. Yet these two words are separate entities.

To sum it up a bit, the false prophet is Muhammad. Muhammad is also an antichrist as well. Why? He refuses to believe in Jesus as the Son of God. Muhammad even goes on to KILL anyone who does believe in Jesus Christ. If you question Muhammad's teachings, he kills you. If you leave what Muhammad believes and either quit Islam or go to another faith, Muhammad gets real pissed and kills you. That is called "apostate". If anyone tries to convert a Muslim, they kill you. Might even torchure you or chop off body parts.

So, I would have to say he fits the bill. He was illiterate but knew enough on how to make things work. Islam works because of fear. You do not follow it, we'll make your life hell. If Islam was peaceful, as it started out that way, it probably would have died off but since that wasn't working out for Muhammad, he turned it into fear. Islam is the religion according to Muhammad. He is the sole creator of that religion. The only religion that is the anti other religion religion.
 
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Its not obama the bible says alot of people are gonna be decived an love the antichrist cause he will seem like a great person...... defintly not obama.