Is God Unfair?

[kardiaoangelous]

Romans 3:10

Kathos gegraptaí oti Ouk estin dikayos oude heis.

Just as - gratified (in writing) - that (pertaining to said gratifying) - No one - exists - just/impartial/righteous -, not even one.

Just as was written; Not even one exists in a state of righteousness.

The only person you can consider sinless is Jesus himself.

Again that is Paul speaking to that man he desires to see die.

But why should you care? That would not be popular, now would it.

 

[Ephraim]

You know not what you speak of at all.

You have no ability in you to discern when Paul speaks things that pertain as true to the old man of flesh that you lie if you say you let die with Christ but you yet let him live.

Your real fear is that the seats you fill with people you have, "Come support the church because Christ loves you just as you are", would now by great numbers leave you if you told them the truth.

Or, you have been programed to do that on behalf of the church run by such an imposter whos is himself the man of sin, son of perdition.

Regardless of why you do it, you do not listen to the scriptures and neither then will you listen to me.

Instead you will twist and corrupt and pervert, Just as you do here, and as the poster just after you did.

In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing that any should be lost, but that all should instead reach change of mind.

Having further opened his mouth, Peter said 'I certainly understand this truth; that the God is not one who puts someone before another (shows partiality), rather everyone who respects him, namely (who) does just deeds, is accepted by him.

.............

I don't even go to church.

 

[Ephraim]

Again that is Paul speaking to that man he desires to see die.

But why should you care? That would not be popular, now would it.

You can assume to know my motives or my inner process all you like to, but you don't.

 

[silverdollar]

Genesis 1:26-27 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness .......... So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

If those comments be true that God made us as imperfect beings and created us with sin already tainting our soul, then our being created in God's and his Son's image and likeness would prove that God and His Son are imperfect beings. Yet we know such is not the case.

i thought God created Adam in his likeness.

and then Adam sinned and fell, and Adam then brought forth children in his own likeness.
so aren't all people in Adam's likeness?
which is not the same as Adam was. i dont know.

God's ultimate goal, sir, is to destroy sin by making us forget sin, that we might return to being as Adam and Eve were before sin, having no knowledge of sin.

this part i never heard of.

That is why we are not supposed to focus on that Old Law. By Law is only knowledge of sin. So we fight against what God is doing when we take our eyes off God's love and focus on that Law.

this part i never heard of either. i was told the Old Law is still good.
it's me who isnt and that's why Jesus came and died for my sin.
i don't get any of this.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing that any should be lost, but that all should instead reach change of mind.

Having further opened his mouth, Peter said 'I certainly understand this truth; that the God is not one who puts someone before another (shows partiality), rather everyone who respects him, namely (who) does just deeds, is accepted by him.

.............

I don't even go to church.

You can't know that it is because you yet love with an earthly wisdom that confuses excusing what is bad for kindness.

You call what is good bad and what is bad good as you have not payed attention.

My being honest with you is in no way a violation of love, but an act of love, for I know even before I choose to speak that honestly to you what the end result will be, even as it was for Jesus and all his true ambassadors.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

You can assume to know my motives or my inner process all you like to, but you don't.

It is enough that I see your confusion, having first listened carefully to every word from out of my Father's mouth.

 

[silverdollar]

In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing that any should be lost, but that all should instead reach change of mind.

Having further opened his mouth, Peter said 'I certainly understand this truth; that the God is not one who puts someone before another (shows partiality), rather everyone who respects him, namely (who) does just deeds, is accepted by him.

.............

I don't even go to church.

this sounds true to me, like when i hear it from the bible. i know its true.
i don't go to church either.
i want to but some friends invited me to one. it didn't seem right but i will keep trying. my teacher said i will want to go to church, at first i thought i wouldnt but now i do, i just don't know which kind., i want to get baptized too. i read some confusing things on being baptized so i don't even know about that for sure. i thought it was easy

 

[kardiaoangelous]

............ Adam sinned and fell, and Adam then brought forth children in his own likeness.
so aren't all people in Adam's likeness?
which is not the same as Adam was. i dont know.

All men are born in Adam's likeness, since Adam sinned. So now this becomes the case, but only for those who truly give themselves to Christ to be over a period of time be corrected and change right now, during this life"

1 Corinthians 15:49 "And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly."

2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

this part i never heard of.


this part i never heard of either. i was told the Old Law is still good.
it's me who isnt and that's why Jesus came and died for my sin.
i don't get any of this.

Don't fret over it for the pictures remain there that I shared with you and if you really desire to, you will eventually come to understand them.

 

[Ephraim]

You can't know that it is because you yet love with an earthly wisdom that confuses excusing what is bad for kindness.

You call what is good bad and what is bad good as you have not payed attention.

My being honest with you is in no way a violation of love, but an act of love, for I know even before I choose to speak that honestly to you what the end result will be, even as it was for Jesus and all his true ambassadors.

Your honesty is a product of your own opinion on things that are subject to huge discrepancies in interpretive license throughout several millions of churches and several billions of individuals. And the tone of it all portrays much more about your interaction with myself and with God than the words you type do.

You are not my teacher, because I don't allow you to be, out of the analysis of your tone. It is not a discussion with you, it is being berated and personally attacked with phrases like 'you're misinformed', 'you're Earthly', all pointing to a general vibe of 'you know nothing and you are silly'.

I don't appreciate it, nor the motive for it. You think your telling me what I ought to know will yield some magnificent reward for you and some immense revelation for me, but to be quite 'honest' (in my opinion), all it does is make me want to avoid having conversation with you.

 

[Georgiana]

You can't know that it is because you yet love with an earthly wisdom that confuses excusing what is bad for kindness.

You call what is good bad and what is bad good as you have not payed attention.

My being honest with you is in no way a violation of love, but an act of love, for I know even before I choose to speak that honestly to you what the end result will be, even as it was for Jesus and all his true ambassadors.

I can't help but feel that reasoning comes in quite handy for you. "If you don't see it my way, it's obviously because you haven't been enlightened by the Holy Spirit. Because, hey, the words I hear come straight out of the mouth of God."

Don't you see the problem with that reasoning? So were you blind until God enlightened you? So was it your choice to follow Him that opened your eyes to see? But wait, you couldn't see before He opened your eyes, so what made you accept Him? So your answer is what? That somehow you're more special than everyone else, to the point that God elected to speak to you but not this other fellow? Oh, and by the way; I thought eating from the tree of good and evil made us able to distinguish between right and wrong. So why is it you think without believing in God, and hence, receiving the Holy Spirit, we have no ability to make that distinction?

Bad logic all around.

 

[jmlidea]

The fight is between flesh and Spirit!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we are by Christ through the cross by the resurrection are born again by God the Father of Christ and are able to walk in ther Spirit of God daily, by us dieing daily to our flesh
Galatians 5:16-26

New King James Version (NKJV)

Walking in the Spirit

[SUP]16 [/SUP]I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. [SUP]18 [/SUP]But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, [SUP]20 [/SUP]idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, [SUP]21 [/SUP]envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [SUP]23 [/SUP]gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. [SUP]24 [/SUP]And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. [SUP]25 [/SUP]If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

Matthew 5:27-28
"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.'
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

So if you have ever had a THOUGHT about any wrong doing, God will judge you as if you actually did it... how is that fair?

Also, why does God rue the flesh? You'd think that a fair God wouldn't scorn the flesh when it was he who created it.
It's like if I were to bake a pie then toss it out because it was a pie, and not a glass of iced tea... it does not make sense.

 

[jmlidea]

If those comments be true that God made us as imperfect beings and created us with sin already tainting our soul, then our being created in God's and his Son's image and likeness would prove that God and His Son are imperfect beings. Yet we know such is not the case.

A cloud can have the likeness of a pony, that doesn't mean that if the cloud is white that the pony must also be white.

"because God will never, ever be revealed in our scientific journey thru his creation."

True, such is revealed spirit to spirit. Romans 1:17 "For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith."

Romans 1:18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.."

Are you saying that science is ungodly and unrighteous?
Also, how fair is it that God expects us to see something that is invisible? If we can't see something that is invisible, why are we without excuse? It doesn't make any sense.

"because God created us with sin already tainting our soul, yet condemns us for having been born into sin."

Take a lesson from why it is that the Bible uses water to represent God's pure life-giving word of truth:
God created Adam and Eve like two vessels containing pure water. Those vessels of their own choice mixed impure water into themselves. Those vessels could not afterward pour pure water into other vessels as they came along.

Why did those vessels do that? The Bible is very clear about why those vessels did that.

And yet somehow God still condemns us for having been born into sin... and I was not created with the same 'pure water' Adam was created with, was I... so God created me with sin already tainting my soul, and condemns me for having a sin-tainted soul... ???

Let us go to nature and learn:

I'm afraid you don't have a very knowing grasp, besides your own limited knowledge, of what really goes on in the natural world. I'm not an expert on insects either, but I do know that bugs aren't here to serve the needs of humans. It is coincidence that honey is edible by humans, for example. And if they bugs a distraction to you, it isn't because there is some spiritual imbalance caused by your sinfulness... they just want to suck your blood so that they can lay some eggs. Also, bugs don't need humans to exist before they will go about their business; we're all food on the menu, and if they can't get human they'll get something else.

 

[Elin]

yes

because God made us as imperfect beings, yet demands a perfection of us only he is capable of.
because God created us with sin already tainting our soul, yet condemns us for having been born into sin.
because God will never, ever be revealed in our scientific journey thru his creation.
because God's 'final solution' is our mortal death.

God sees it this way:

Your ways are not my ways,
My ways are higher (better) than your ways (Is 55:8-9).
I do no wrong (Dt 32:4),
All my ways are just (Da 4:37, 9:14; Ps 145:17),
and I do what is right (Da 4:37, cf v.35)

We do not question God (Ro 9:20), he questions us (Job 38:3, 40:7).
We do not judge God (Is 10:15), he judges us (Job 40:2).
Nor do we call God to the bar of our reason (Ro 9:20; Is 45:11-12)
to judge him based on human understanding and human ways (Job 1:22)
God calls that "turning things upside down as if the potter were thought to be like the clay." (Is 29:16, NIV)

I am all wise and all just (Is 40:13-14; Ps 89:14),
I do what is best and what is right (Dt 32:4; Ps 119:68; Da 4:37).
TRUST ME, and lean not on your own understanding.

So it looks like you've got a decision to make:

Regarding the fairness of God, who are you going to believe and trust, man (yourself) or God?

 

[Elin]

Hebrews 1:1 “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets<[in this present world but that age of it after the former world perished by the flood], 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds<[both the world that perished by flood and this world which will perish by a symbolic fire]..”

I really see no problem here as surely you know that the courtyard which is now one courtyard instead of two and the two part sanctuary all belong to Christ.

It is was only the profane place that was separated out of Christ as pictured by the outer court of the Gentiles: Ezekiel 42:20 “He measured it by the four sides: it had a wall round about, five hundred reeds long, and five hundred broad, to make a separation between the sanctuary and the profane place.”

That profane place is now no longer for the ransom of Christ was applied to it:

Acts 10:15 “And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common<[koinoo -- from 2839; to make (or consider) profane (ceremonially): KJV -- call common, defile, pollute, unclean.]”

Need I explain more?

For example, can you see that Ephesians 2: 14 as noted by verse 12 is speaking of that wall of separation between sanctuary and the profane that Ezekiel 42:20 above tells us about?

No, Eph 2:15 presents it as the law, whose cleanliness regulations were a barrier, or wall of partition (v.14), which kept the Jews separated from the Gentiles in order to avoid defilement by them.

I suppose I could have spoken clearer as the inner courtyard of the Jews was considered to be a kind of extension of the sanctuary as the focus of the work of the sanctuary being to that court's benefit. That is why the Jews had to ceremonially cleanse themselves before entering into it.

And do you see that the outer curtain yet remained in tact over the entrance to the holy compartment from the court?

And that it was only the inner curtain between the Holy compartment and the Holiest Compartment which was ripped, yet the curtain was still hanging in that state and that Christ was that rip so that the under-priests had to enter approach to God through Christ and those of the court through them?

The inner curtain was ripped from top to bottom, so torn in two is a better description.

Hebrews reveals that the curtain represented Christ's flesh which was torn to open the way directly to God for us, through faith in his blood (Ro 3:25).

Ponder it a while.

It ties into Hebrews chapter 12.

Thanks for your response.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

A cloud can have the likeness of a pony, that doesn't mean that if the cloud is white that the pony must also be white.

Are you saying that science is ungodly and unrighteous?
Also, how fair is it that God expects us to see something that is invisible? If we can't see something that is invisible, why are we without excuse? It doesn't make any sense.



And yet somehow God still condemns us for having been born into sin... and I was not created with the same 'pure water' Adam was created with, was I... so God created me with sin already tainting my soul, and condemns me for having a sin-tainted soul... ???

I'm afraid you don't have a very knowing grasp, besides your own limited knowledge, of what really goes on in the natural world. I'm not an expert on insects either, but I do know that bugs aren't here to serve the needs of humans. It is coincidence that honey is edible by humans, for example. And if they bugs a distraction to you, it isn't because there is some spiritual imbalance caused by your sinfulness... they just want to suck your blood so that they can lay some eggs. Also, bugs don't need humans to exist before they will go about their business; we're all food on the menu, and if they can't get human they'll get something else.

tell me honestly, does this comment that I follow with here describe in any shape how you feel about God?

"I can't help but feel that reasoning comes in quite handy for you. "If you don't see it my way, it's obviously because you haven't been enlightened by the Holy Spirit. Because, hey, the words I hear come straight out of the mouth of God."

"Don't you see the problem with that reasoning? So were you blind until God enlightened you? So was it your choice to follow Him that opened your eyes to see? But wait, you couldn't see before He opened your eyes, so what made you accept Him? So your answer is what? That somehow you're more special than everyone else, to the point that God elected to speak to you but not this other fellow? Oh, and by the way; I thought eating from the tree of good and evil made us able to distinguish between right and wrong. So why is it you think without believing in God, and hence, receiving the Holy Spirit, we have no ability to make that distinction?"

Are you not saying that you see a problem with God's reasoning when God tells you, Leviticus 20:7 "Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God." And : 1 Peter 1:16-17 "Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear.."?

"So were you blind until God enlightened you?" Do you feel like you see to many ways that God condemns for being blind to what you are unable to see?

"But wait, you couldn't see before He opened your eyes, so what made you accept Him? So your answer is what?" Do you feel that God is wrong to have woken someone else up before he does you? Do you feel that God is unfair to do that? Or can you see that is was merely that the person he was able to wake up was lest prideful and so better able to listen to God than you? Do you think that is bad, too?

"That somehow you're more special than everyone else, to the point that God elected to speak to you but not this other fellow?" Do you agree that it makes the person God was able to wake up sooner than you have to be a liar and only speaking pridefully? Your answers might help many to see what they are doing.

"Oh, and by the way; I thought eating from the tree of good and evil made us able to distinguish between right and wrong." Is that what you think, too?

"So why is it you think without believing in God, and hence, receiving the Holy Spirit, we have no ability to make that distinction?"" Do you agree with that?

I ask because if you are like them in these ways even though you doubt God, then has Christ really helped them to be any different than you?

How do you feel about that?

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Is there really any difference between many of the professed Christians here than there is here as follows?

Atheists: How do you feel about Christians telling you that you need to repent and accept Jesus? - Yahoo! Answers

 

[Elin]

yes, God is unfair

because God made us as imperfect beings, yet demands a perfection of us only he is capable of.
because God created us with sin already tainting our soul, yet condemns us for having been born into sin.
because God will never, ever be revealed in our scientific journey thru his creation.
because God's 'final solution' is our mortal death.

Genesis 1:26-27 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness .......... So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

If those comments be true that God made us as imperfect beings and created us with sin already tainting our soul, then our being created in God's and his Son's image and likeness would prove that God and His Son are imperfect beings. Yet we know such is not the case.

I thought God created Adam in his likeness.
and then Adam sinned and fell, and Adam then brought forth children in his own likeness.
so aren't all people in Adam's likeness?
which is not the same as Adam was. i dont know.

kardia, you are not taking into account that all men have been made sinners by Adam's sin (Ro 5:18-19).

God's ultimate goal, sir, is to destroy sin by making us forget sin,
that we might return to being as Adam and Eve were before sin, having no knowledge of sin.

this part i never heard of.

kardia, there will be no returning for anyone this side of the grave to being as Adam and Eve were before sin.

That is reserved for the resurrection at the end of time (1Co 15:42-44).

That is why we are not supposed to focus on that Old Law. By Law is only knowledge of sin. So we fight against what God is doing when we take our eyes off God's love and focus on that Law.

this part i never heard of either. i was told the Old Law is still good.
it's me who isnt and that's why Jesus came and died for my sin.
i don't get any of this.

Again, kardia, you are not taking into account that we don't focus on the law because it has been set aside (Heb 7:18-19),
and the covenant which was based on it has been made obsolete (Heb 8:13).

We don't focus on the law because righteousness is by faith, not by works of law keeping (Gal 3:6; Ro 4:4-5).

You seem to be overlaying Scripture with, or filtering Scripture through, some other system outside the Bible, which darkens and weakens the Scriptures.

What other system is your faith based in?

 

[kardiaoangelous]

kardia, you are not taking into account that all men have been made sinners by Adam's sin (Ro 5:18-19).


kardia, there will be no returning for anyone this side of the grave to being as Adam and Eve were before sin.

That is reserved for the resurrection at the end of time (1Co 15:42-44).


Again, kardia, you are not taking into account that we don't focus on the law because it has been set aside (Heb 7:18-19),
and the covenant which was based on it has been made obsolete (Heb 8:13).

We don't focus on the law because righteousness is by faith, not by works of law keeping (Gal 3:6; Ro 4:4-5).

You seem to be overlaying Scripture with, or filtering Scripture through, some other system outside the Bible, which darkens and weakens the Scriptures.

What other system is your faith based in?

Made sinner in Adam and practicing sin in Adam to be exact. What then ought we to be if we are really in Christ? Does made holy and practicing holiness sound like the reasonable opposite? 1 Peter 1:16 "Because it is written [yes, written in that Old Law], Be ye holy; for I am holy."

You cannot simply dismiss the Old Testament that way. Doing so is serious err.

Exodus 23:20 “Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.”


Any man that says that is not true still today of Jesus Christ is a liar and the truth is not in him. Such a man as would claim to you that this is not true still today of Jesus Christ, has preached to you a corrupted message of salvation.



Exodus 23:22 “But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
23 For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.”


The truth speaks boldly to you and tells you that if you continue to sin then you are playing false to the spirit of Christ and and if you play false to Christ by being lenient with your self when it comes to sin, then God will not “be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.” God will let you be open prey for your enemies until you learn to repent and obey.


Exodus 23:24 “Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images.”


Anyone that tells you that in 1 John, John is speaking to comfort sin rather than speaking and telling you to destroy the works of the devil within you, is a liar and the truth is not him. Such men are antichrists preaching a false Christ.

 

[Elin]

Made sinner in Adam and practicing sin in Adam to be exact. What then ought we to be if we are really in Christ? Does made holy and practicing holiness sound like the reasonable opposite? 1 Peter 1:16 "Because it is written [yes, written in that Old Law], Be ye holy; for I am holy."

You cannot simply dismiss the Old Testament that way. Doing so is serious err.

The Mosaic Law is not the whole OT.

Setting aside the Mosaic law is not to set aside the OT.

Exodus 23:20 “Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.”

"Do not rebel against him, for he will not forgive your rebellion."

Any man that says that is not true still today of Jesus Christ is a liar and the truth is not in him. Such a man as would claim to you that this is not true still today of Jesus Christ, has preached to you a corrupted message of salvation.

Yes, anyone who rejects (rebels against) Christ is condemned (Jn 3:18), the wrath of God remains on him (Jn 3:36).

Exodus 23:22 “But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.

Yes, the rejecters of Christ are God's enemies.

23 For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.”

Yes, God had given them 400 years to repent, their time was up and judgment was upon them.
God used the army of Israel to destroy them.

The truth speaks boldly to you and tells you that if you continue to sin then you are playing false to the spirit of Christ and and if you play false to Christ by being lenient with your self when it comes to sin, then God will not “be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.” God will let you be open prey for your enemies until you learn to repent and obey.

Exodus 23:24 “Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images.”

Anyone that tells you that in 1 John, John is speaking to comfort sin rather than speaking and telling you to destroy the works of the devil within you, is a liar and the truth is not him. Such men are antichrists preaching a false Christ.

We are agreed that Christians are not to walk in sin.

Do you have any response for the other parts of my post:

1) There will be no returning for anyone this side of the grave to being as Adam and Eve were before sin.

That is reserved for the resurrection at the end of time (1Co 15:42-44).

2) We don't focus on the law because righteousness is by faith, not by works of law keeping (Gal 3:6; Ro 4:4-5).

3) You seem to be overlaying Scripture with, or filtering Scripture through, some other system outside the Bible, which darkens and weakens the Scriptures.

What other system is your faith based in?

 

[kardiaoangelous]

The Mosaic Law is not the whole OT.

Setting aside the Mosaic law is not to set aside the OT.


"Do not rebel against him, for he will not forgive your rebellion."

Yes, anyone who rejects (rebels against) Christ is condemned (Jn 3:18), the wrath of God remains on him (Jn 3:36).

Yes, the rejecters of Christ are God's enemies.


Yes, God had given them 400 years to repent, their time was up and judgment was upon them.
God used the army of Israel to destroy them.


We are agreed that Christians are not to walk in sin.

Do you have any response for the other parts of my post:

1) There will be no returning for anyone this side of the grave to being as Adam and Eve were before sin.

That is reserved for the resurrection at the end of time (1Co 15:42-44).

2) We don't focus on the law because righteousness is by faith, not by works of law keeping (Gal 3:6; Ro 4:4-5).

3) You seem to be overlaying Scripture with, or filtering Scripture through, some other system outside the Bible, which darkens and weakens the Scriptures.

What other system is your faith based in?

Deuteronomy 27:18 "Cursed be he that maketh the blind to wander out of the way. And all the people shall say, Amen."

Isaiah 43:8 "Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.
9 Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Psalms 120:7 "I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war."

Ezekiel 3:27 "But when I speak with thee, I will open thy mouth, and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; He that heareth, let him hear; and he that forbeareth, let him forbear: for they are a rebellious house."

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
29 Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?
30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.