Is God Unfair?

[maxwel]

God is COMPLETELY UNFAIR.

He saved me while I was a sinner.

How unfair is that!

 

[homwardbound]

Amen, but you also know that flesh will condemn others in the hypocrisy of the flesh which does not so much as see it's own true condition, let alone the condition they imagine of God's true ministers. They will not admit it but they would have judged Jesus and all the teachers in the NT who spoke at times exactly as I did. They would have like those Pharisees seen them to be no better than themselves and interpreted their words as false pride and self-deception.

Just as I concluded in one recent post, Eve became blinded by the artificial light of the fruit of that forbidden tree because another introduced her to seeing something she had not formerly seen. There was no temptation before she was introduced to it by outside interference for the thought never came up into her mind for her to look for herself to try to see.

God's ultimate goal, sir, is to destroy sin by making us forget sin, that we might return to being as Adam and Eve were before sin, having no knowledge of sin.

That is why we are not supposed to focus on that Old Law. By Law is only knowledge of sin. So we fight against what God is doing when we take our eyes off God's love and focus on that Law.

You know that is true, so then you tell me how one can continue in sin and forget sin? They can't and that is what John is loudly proclaiming throughout the entire 1st letter.

Therefore, if we cannot say that we have ceased from sin then what we are saying is that we have not benefited from Christ's work on the cross.

And as I showed you by the literal word for quote 0f 1 John 1:8 in the virgin order which it was written, John was clearly only telling them that if they claim to have never had any sin to credit against their flesh, then they make God out a liar and spurn the great love shown us in Christ.

But just as powerfully, John tells us that to continue to remember sin so as to keep on sinning spurns that great love and mercy shown us in Christ in just as horrible a way.

If you cannot say that you have ceased from sin, then neither can you say that you have matured to Christ.

And I believe you of all people on CC know that.

I like waht you say and the insight I see, I just know to be careful and continue in trust of God, beinig dead to flesh and alive to God. I persoanlly can't ever claim to be free from sin and not that I do, for it is not me that keepeth em from it it is God that does it. I can only walk day by day, dieing to my unreddemed flesh daily and thus walk and praise and thank God almighty.
I don't know if I will ever sin again or not as I said I die daily, God gets all the credit the only sinless one ever. Now if one is too busy praising and worshipping in the Spirit and thus thanking, I see then there is not time for sin yes? otherwise one continues in sin and even justifies it when thet do saying things that are accusinig to others yes?
Jesus never accused, he said to those okay stone her but he who is without sin first!!!!!!!!! as he wrote in the sand, I have conjectured this what he was writing, Their sins, and they all walked away, because boy they did not want their sins exposed and then he did not condem her either. And yes he said yes go and sin no more, and you know from that point on she wanted desperately to do waht is right and just could not complete it and be perfect as no one born of flesh can or ever could period?
Now comes home why he died and then rose agian.
Died to cleanse the deck take our punishment of death that all deserve, all the way back to Adam and Eve and all the way in the future as far as that will go. No matter the death was for us to die with Christ as he died die to ourself righteousness as Saul did. Then that is when one is raised back to life by God the Father of Christ who already raised Chjrist back to life bit nowin the Spirit, which is waht God is after for us to become born again by belief in the full Gospel not a half-sham one hwere he just died for oue sins and then we go off in the excited energy of our own flesh and are on fire for God and join some Church here on earth,being born of our flesh still and thingking God is just loving us, and we are confirmed of this by others patting others on the back as if we are so good when we are not only God is good.
I love you and all others whether they go to Church here or not whether they believe or not, this is the way of God and can only be recieved by God from God by beleif in tyhe full Gospel and recieving the whole truth and nothing but the truth from God. All the riches and glory are found in christ Jesus att he cross is the begining of perfect love that casts out all fear

 

[homwardbound]

God is COMPLETELY UNFAIR.

He saved me while I was a sinner.

How unfair is that!

What a rhetorical remark. and in a very short sentance shows how miraculous God is beyond beiing fair he gave his son for us

 

[kardiaoangelous]

I like waht you say and the insight I see, I just know to be careful and continue in trust of God, beinig dead to flesh and alive to God. I persoanlly can't ever claim to be free from sin and not that I do, for it is not me that keepeth em from it it is God that does it. I can only walk day by day, dieing to my unreddemed flesh daily and thus walk and praise and thank God almighty.
I don't know if I will ever sin again or not as I said I die daily, God gets all the credit the only sinless one ever. Now if one is too busy praising and worshipping in the Spirit and thus thanking, I see then there is not time for sin yes? otherwise one continues in sin and even justifies it when thet do saying things that are accusinig to others yes?
Jesus never accused, he said to those okay stone her but he who is without sin first!!!!!!!!! as he wrote in the sand, I have conjectured this what he was writing, Their sins, and they all walked away, because boy they did not want their sins exposed and then he did not condem her either. And yes he said yes go and sin no more, and you know from that point on she wanted desperately to do waht is right and just could not complete it and be perfect as no one born of flesh can or ever could period?
Now comes home why he died and then rose agian.
Died to cleanse the deck take our punishment of death that all deserve, all the way back to Adam and Eve and all the way in the future as far as that will go. No matter the death was for us to die with Christ as he died die to ourself righteousness as Saul did. Then that is when one is raised back to life by God the Father of Christ who already raised Chjrist back to life bit nowin the Spirit, which is waht God is after for us to become born again by belief in the full Gospel not a half-sham one hwere he just died for oue sins and then we go off in the excited energy of our own flesh and are on fire for God and join some Church here on earth,being born of our flesh still and thingking God is just loving us, and we are confirmed of this by others patting others on the back as if we are so good when we are not only God is good.
I love you and all others whether they go to Church here or not whether they believe or not, this is the way of God and can only be recieved by God from God by beleif in tyhe full Gospel and recieving the whole truth and nothing but the truth from God. All the riches and glory are found in christ Jesus att he cross is the begining of perfect love that casts out all fear

You speak completely true.

I do not advocate over confidence, either. In fact, that is why it is so very important we discern clearly when Paul and John are speaking to the old man and when they are speaking to the new. When they are speaking to the babe in Christ and when they are speaking to the mature in Christ.

I most certainly have not gotten to this point over night where I am at that I no longer have the old lusts in myself. And I am keenly aware, knowing what it took to make those lusts die, that if I once had those lusts I could yet fall back into those lusts again, even as the perfect angels could sin and even as the perfect Adam and Eve could sin.

I do not claim to have yet put on that end crown of incorruptibility which Paul speaks of at 1 Corinthians 9:25.

But that prize is only given to those who in this present life do achieve actual holiness. That incorruptible crown is then what they add to that holiness. And that is what makes immortality possible. No chance of corruption = no chance of ever falling back once again prey to sin = an immortal or everlastingly assured existence before God.

When it came to false doctrine neither Jesus nor myself nor anyone who points it out is accusing. They are speaking to the reality of what is.

Even as when Jesus told Peter, "Get thee behind me Satan for you speak not God's thoughts but man's!"

 

[kardiaoangelous]

What was not seen by you homward, was what went on here on my end that led to all of this. You did not see that it was as if everyone was completely ignoring me but for an occasional return comment by men as yourself.

And so God spoke to me and asked, "Why are you bewildered that they should not be listening?" To which I replied, "I want so badly to share what you have taught me, what good is it if I cannot use it to help others?"

The Lord spoke back to me and said, "You know how to get them to listen."

So I in return asked, "How is it that I know how to get them to listen but cannot seem to think of it?"

The Lord answered back again and said, " Have I not told you to behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. And also told you the ways?"

And then it hit me. So i responded back to the Lord, "Yes, you have furnished me with your truth that no man, matter not how they fight against it cannot defeat it and you have told me that I must be as cunning as those serpents while at the same time remaining gentle as a dove."

And once again the Lord replied, "You have missed dividing a valuable piece of my word with correctness. I did not tell you to be as gentle as a dove. I told you to cleanse my temple. Now tell me how that can be done gently?"

So I went to the scripture at Matthew 10:16 and examined it deeper. I found out that he had not told me there to be gentle but to be innocent of sinning against others using personal opinion. And I realized that what we judge we must judge for the sake of keeping his temple clean, but doing so judging by his word rather than our own personal opinion.

And thus I understood, Matthew 7:5b ".... then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

So I revisited my posting here with all of that in mind, knowing that where people shun even looking at what does not rile them and remain pacified glorying in themselves, if i would be brave enough to call out the very judgment of the word itself to them they would hate it and they would not be able to resist looking because they would want to destroy it.

It worked of God's wisdom just as he said that it would.

Did all learn? Of course not. But some did. And some more than others.

I am able to do that now that I understand that wisdom from God, as it is not at all about me. I really do not care at all what anyone thinks of me but God. Life itself pummeled me into not caring about what others think of me. LOL. I don't even rejoice in me.

 

[jmlidea]

God sees it this way:

Your ways are not my ways,
My ways are higher (better) than your ways (Is 55:8-9).
I do no wrong (Dt 32:4),
All my ways are just (Da 4:37, 9:14; Ps 145:17),
and I do what is right (Da 4:37, cf v.35)

We do not question God (Ro 9:20), he questions us (Job 38:3, 40:7).
We do not judge God (Is 10:15), he judges us (Job 40:2).
Nor do we call God to the bar of our reason (Ro 9:20; Is 45:11-12)
to judge him based on human understanding and human ways (Job 1:22)
God calls that "turning things upside down as if the potter were thought to be like the clay." (Is 29:16, NIV)

I am all wise and all just (Is 40:13-14; Ps 89:14),
I do what is best and what is right (Dt 32:4; Ps 119:68; Da 4:37).
TRUST ME, and lean not on your own understanding.

So it looks like you've got a decision to make:

Regarding the fairness of God, who are you going to believe and trust, man (yourself) or God?

Looks like I have two options, trust me or trust a God who enjoys telling his slaves that they are worthless piles of sinful scum and that ALLLL you need to do is do my every bidding to receive salvation... because my ways are not God's ways, and his ways are better than mine... and who are we to question our master? who are we to think for ourselves? how dare a slave turn against his master?

 

[jerusalem]

God is never unloving and never unfair. if it seems that He is you are either being deceived or under a disciplinary action that is the result of your own misbehavior. that is never pleasant but it is always for your good. it's like the law of gravity, for instance, if you walk off the edge of the cliff you will fall down. not because God hates you or is unfair but so we all don't go flying off into outer space. without rules there is no order only chaos and our God is a God of order. if we all just do whatever we feel like we would all just be a bunch of spoiled brats which wouldn't meke God a vdery good father

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Looks like I have two options, trust me or trust a God who enjoys telling his slaves that they are worthless piles of sinful scum and that ALLLL you need to do is do my every bidding to receive salvation... because my ways are not God's ways, and his ways are better than mine... and who are we to question our master? who are we to think for ourselves? how dare a slave turn against his master?

To do loves bidding as God is love one first must understand true love.

The evidence in the world all around you is that man does not understand what true love is. Despite the many who claim that they can love by trusting in their own instincts as to how to love works, their love is shown weak by it not having the power to keep them from hate and killing each other.

I would think that you would see that love must have both a tough side to it as well as a gentle side to be able to be a force to put down evil in all of the earth.

Of course those that ascribe to Marxist rational reasoning would not see that and they would interpret God as being both good in a positive personality sense and evil in a negative personality sense.

If you could see clearly, all God is asking of anyone is they not simply say that they love, but pay attention to him so as to be able to really learn how to love.

Marxism equates with a belief that knowledge and wisdom in the flesh is adequate and seeks to blame religion as the thing which interferes with it not being so.

They are self-deceived as man on his own will always judge matters imperfectly when he relies on his own instincts and every imperfect judgment destroys love.

The Bible is honest that many will go that way but you do not have to, ya know. You could choose to think it through further.

Don't let the flesh you see which masquerades as God's church cheat you out of seeing God's true spiritual Church.

 

[NodMyHeadLikeYeah]

Yes...........

Any other questions?

 

[Elin]

Do you have any response for the other parts of my post:

1) There will be no returning for anyone this side of the grave to being as Adam and Eve were before sin.

That is reserved for the resurrection at the end of time (1Co 15:42-44).

2) We don't focus on the law because righteousness is by faith, not by works of law keeping (Gal 3:6; Ro 4:4-5).

3) You seem to be overlaying Scripture with, or filtering Scripture through, some other system outside the Bible, which darkens and weakens the Scriptures.

What other system is your faith based in?

Deuteronomy 27:18 "Cursed be he that maketh the blind to wander out of the way. And all the people shall say, Amen."

Isaiah 43:8 "Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.
9 Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Psalms 120:7 "I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war."

Ezekiel 3:27 "But when I speak with thee, I will open thy mouth, and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; He that heareth, let him hear; and he that forbeareth, let him forbear: for they are a rebellious house."

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
29 Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?
30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.

Okay, you've lost me here.

Is this to say you have no responsive answers to my questions?

 

[Elin]

Looks like I have two options, trust me or trust a God who enjoys telling his slaves that they are worthless piles of sinful scum and that ALLLL you need to do is do my every bidding to receive salvation... because my ways are not God's ways, and his ways are better than mine... and who are we to question our master? who are we to think for ourselves? how dare a slave turn against his master?

That's pretty much it. . .and then we all get to bear the consequences of our choices.

 

[jmlidea]

I ask because if you are like them in these ways even though you doubt God, then has Christ really helped them to be any different than you?

It would seem, though, that Christ has NOT helped them, just as he has NOT helped me, in regards to spiritual enlightenment.

Help comes from someone who takes a risk, who reaches out, who adapts themselves to the needy.

God doesn't take that risk - he expects us to (blind faith); he doesn't reach out - he says he already did (Jesus); he doesn't adapt for those who doubt - God is unchanging.

Ecclesiastes 3:14
"I know that everything God does will endure forever; nothing can be added to it and nothing taken from it. God does it so that people will fear him."

So no matter what, God will not adapt to help anyone who does not already fear him... therefore everyone else are unlucky victims of circumstance: being born free yet damned eternally. How is that fair?

Luke 13:23-24 and 28
Someone asked him, “Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?” He said to them,
“Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. “There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out.”

So Jesus tells us: "Make every effort to live your lives for God" But don't expect to enter Heaven, even if you live your life for God... God is unchanging and remains unfaithful to those who will not enter heaven... sucks to be me!

Romans 8:28-30
And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

So God knows already who will not enter his heavenly kingdom, yet he tells them to live a lie (Luke13:24), seems unfair...

Proverbs 1:24-26
Because I have called and you refused to listen, have stretched out my hand and no one has heeded, because you have ignored all my counsel and would have none of my reproof, I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when terror strikes you.

This is like a wolf calling sheep to enter his cave, using kindness and words of wisdom to win their hearts... those who refuse his call he will gobble up then and there, but those who listen will be slaughtered and tossed into his cooking pot. Only a few "lucky" sheep will be allowed to live and eat with him. Guess what's on the menu for those poor lambs? Lamb stew! How horrible it would be for those who pass by the billions of Christians who are at the gates of heaven but who aren't allowed to enter. All the unbelievers have already been destroyed or cast into hell, all the Christians are at the gates, pleading to get in, and only a few are given admittance. Their reward is that they get to eat with the God who never ever changes.

 

[jmlidea]

That's pretty much it. . .and then we all get to bear the consequences of our choices.

The only fair consequence for our actions is a mortal death... not an eternal punishment in supreme agony.
You live, choose to do drugs, you overdose and die... seems fair... but wait, GOD is going to punish you MORE because you are a sinner! Now you get to burn for all time in a place where there is no rest and no comfort!

 

[jmlidea]

2 Corinthians 4:1-4
Therefore, since through God's mercy we have this ministry, we do not lose heart.
Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to everyone's conscience in the sight of God.
And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

If the gospel is veiled, it's veiled to those who are already perishing, so that's okay... they're already dying so why spend time with them? Besides, Satan has blinded them so they cannot see the light of the gospel, so don't even bother preaching your message to these people, they're dead to God already... how is that fair to anyone?

1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

...so Satan is blinding the minds of people, false prophets are teaching false religions, false religions mix truth and lies together, there is no TRUE religion except to follow Jesus, which is apart of most Christian religions anyway... seems all pretty unfair to me.

Romans 10:3-4
For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

So thinking that you are following Jesus according to the way he commanded, means you are being ignorant of the righteousness of God by seeking to establish your own? Psychopaths manipulate their victims in exactly this way, they keep their victims second-guessing their feelings, living in doubt, hungering for answers, only hearing truth when it's mixed with lies. God's message is simple, but his word is very difficult, always mixing with anger, doubt, joy, shame, fear, hate and love. The message, to me, is like an antidote mixed with poison... why would I take a poison just to take the antidote?

John 3:17-18
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

So by being ignorant in thinking you are standing on solid ground when you believe the words of Jesus (christian religion), you are trying to establish your own (faith) when in fact you're standing already condemned (sin) because you aren't really believing the words of Jesus (because you live in sin)? ... then the simplest answer is to Trust Jesus? Then it's all a lottery! A game! Christ knows who will enter heaven already, most won't, but just TRUST JESUS to find out?!

unfair

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Okay, you've lost me here.

Is this to say you have no responsive answers to my questions?

It is evidence of what will be if you delay due to thinking it can only be done at that end you speak of.

Ponder it and see that God is not asking you your opinion of when it can be done. He is telling you to do it and to do it now.

PS/ It is obvious that jmlidea is as those we are told to shake the dust off our feet with and just move on past them.

 

[silverdollar]

What was not seen by you homward, was what went on here on my end that led to all of this. You did not see that it was as if everyone was completely ignoring me but for an occasional return comment by men as yourself.

And so God spoke to me and asked, "Why are you bewildered that they should not be listening?" To which I replied, "I want so badly to share what you have taught me, what good is it if I cannot use it to help others?"

The Lord spoke back to me and said, "You know how to get them to listen."

So I in return asked, "How is it that I know how to get them to listen but cannot seem to think of it?"

The Lord answered back again and said, " Have I not told you to behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. And also told you the ways?"

And then it hit me. So i responded back to the Lord, "Yes, you have furnished me with your truth that no man, matter not how they fight against it cannot defeat it and you have told me that I must be as cunning as those serpents while at the same time remaining gentle as a dove."

And once again the Lord replied, "You have missed dividing a valuable piece of my word with correctness. I did not tell you to be as gentle as a dove. I told you to cleanse my temple. Now tell me how that can be done gently?"

So I went to the scripture at Matthew 10:16 and examined it deeper. I found out that he had not told me there to be gentle but to be innocent of sinning against others using personal opinion. And I realized that what we judge we must judge for the sake of keeping his temple clean, but doing so judging by his word rather than our own personal opinion.

And thus I understood, Matthew 7:5b ".... then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

So I revisited my posting here with all of that in mind, knowing that where people shun even looking at what does not rile them and remain pacified glorying in themselves, if i would be brave enough to call out the very judgment of the word itself to them they would hate it and they would not be able to resist looking because they would want to destroy it.

It worked of God's wisdom just as he said that it would.

Did all learn? Of course not. But some did. And some more than others.

I am able to do that now that I understand that wisdom from God, as it is not at all about me. I really do not care at all what anyone thinks of me but God. Life itself pummeled me into not caring about what others think of me. LOL. I don't even rejoice in me.

i read all the other things you wrote on this thread.. it doesn't make sense because the bible said that Adam had a son in his own image. Adam wasn't in God's image anymore because he sinned but his children were in his image.
in this post you said God was talking right to you. i showed this to my teacher, bro. he said you are crazy. lol

 

[Elin]

The only fair consequence for our actions is a mortal death... not an eternal punishment in supreme agony.
You live, choose to do drugs, you overdose and die... seems fair... but wait, GOD is going to punish you MORE because you are a sinner! Now you get to burn for all time in a place where there is no rest and no comfort!

That's pretty much it. . .we all get to bear the consequences or our choices, including our choices regarding God.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

i read all the other things you wrote on this thread.. it doesn't make sense because the bible said that Adam had a son in his own image. Adam wasn't in God's image anymore because he sinned but his children were in his image.
in this post you said God was talking right to you. i showed this to my teacher, bro. he said you are crazy. lol

I have no doubt your teacher did tell you that. I am not asking you to hear me speak or any man speak. I am asking you to connect with God's spirit so that you can hear God speak and listen to only him just as I do.

I know that sounds like a mystery to you, but the subject I just entered into discussing in the thread, 'The Hard Truth', will be discussing what is missing in your understanding that prevents both you and your teacher from seeing it.

 

[Elin]

Do you have any response for the other parts of my post:

1) There will be no returning for anyone this side of the grave to being as Adam and Eve were before sin.

That is reserved for the resurrection at the end of time (1Co 15:42-44).

2) We don't focus on the law because righteousness is by faith, not by works of law keeping (Gal 3:6; Ro 4:4-5).

3) You seem to be overlaying Scripture with, or filtering Scripture through, some other system outside the Bible, which darkens and weakens the Scriptures.

What other system is your faith based in?

Is this to say you have no responsive answers to my questions?

It is evidence of what will be if you delay due to thinking it can only be done at that end you speak of.

Ponder it and see that God is not asking you your opinion of when it can be done. He is telling you to do it and to do it now.

PS/ It is obvious that jmlidea is as those we are told to shake the dust off our feet with and just move on past them.

This is a yes to my question, right?

 

[kardiaoangelous]

This is a yes to my question, right?

It is to say there is a proper time and season for everything under the sun, and I see that this is not your time. I do hope your time will prove to be in this season for you.

But you may not be of the true elect of God, that small number being groomed as first fruits of the harvest to be able to teach the main harvest when it arrives.