Do Jews Have a Divine Right in the Promised Land?

[1Christianwarrior316]

Believe what you will zone...love ya anyway.

 

[zone]

This simply supports Ezekiels prophecy and warning, along with Gods following through of punishment that the Jews would be without a home or land of thier own until the 2520 years of punishment of exile were up from the Babylonian enslavement. This came to an end in the 1930s and now true to Gods word, Israel is re-instated as a nation for the Jews.

DEBUNKED.

AWFUL MATH.

heretical mishandling of God's sacred Word.

The fact that a group of people can survive with its indentity intact for 2500 years living under constant persecution spread around the world, without a leader or nation of its own, is a miracle in itself and simply again shows that God still has plans for the Jews, which of course he does, as the formation of Israel and its continual survival and flourishing in a sea of enemies demonstrates.

HA?

Why is it absured to think that people can prove they have a Jewish ancestry? That is a ridiculous and insulting comment to make.

let's see the DNA proof somebody is related to David.

WHy is there so much hatred for Israel and Jews today?

The State of Israel is a pain in the neck.

what hatred for jews?

[video=youtube;D0kWAqZxJVE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE[/video]

"Anti-semitic, its a trick we always use it"

we're not allowed to talk about Israeli crimes?
we're not supposed to question cooked Biblical texts (like you did with your bogus math)?
we're not supposed to examine real history?

Askt yourself, why does Zone hate them with so much venom that she has to post all this nonsense about Jews?

what nonsense?
what part is nonsense?

if you don't address this directly, i'll ask tomorrow.

We know Drett is a pro-active Mulsim who supports Palestinians, so that agenda is clear, no doubt Zone also sits in this camp.

1) drett has said he is a muslim.
2) is there something wrong with supporting palestinians?
please be specific about what you object to? what would you do with them?
do you want them to starve to death? just shut up and die? or what? be clear.
3) what agenda? he is on a forum posting about what he sees as injustice
4) zone sits in what camp? i'm not a muslim if that's what you mean.

the rest of your sentence is gaga.
i wonder who the hater is?

A final point. There was a man who has now passed on, called Phill Hunter, in the 1980s he ran a coach tour company , One day while in Israel, he had an audiable message from God telling him he was to take the Jews out of Russia and return them to Israel. His wife also received the same message, both sat on it for days without saying it to the other, but they got continual messages, events happening prodding them along, as God does.

They ended up telling each other what God had said, then realised that it was definitely from God. But they thought this was insane, as Russia was still closed as it was height of cold war, then within a few years all that came to an end and as a result of preparing for the event they were able to go straight into Russia and begin the task God assigned them, which they did.

don't believe it.
two people, husband and wife hear AUDIBLY FROM GOD with specific instructions and don't say anything.
CONTINUALLY THEY GET THESE AUDIBLE MESSAGES.

ya right.

and so what happened to those jews?
did they repent and believe on Jesus Christ?

because if they didn't they died in their sins.
if you can show that they became Christians, i might believe God told them to move jews from one place to another.
to be saved.

what a ridiculous story.

You can argue theology all day long, but actions speak louder than words and when you have testimonies like that, With messages which have been properly tested and confirmed by other believers, which is then backed up by coming to fruition with Gods blessing, then its very difficult if not impossible to challenge.

like i said - did the jews come to CHRIST?
OR DID THEY JUST MOVE TO ISRAEL AND DIE IN THEIR SINS?

huh??

John 8:24
I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins."

you don't believe God's Word anyway.

eh....christian zionism is satanic.

 

[zone]

Believe what you will zone...love ya anyway.

i believe God's Word.

you should consider it before long.

 

[1Christianwarrior316]

DEBUNKED.
The State of Israel is a pain in the neck.

Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

 

[JaumeJ]

They were first called Christian at Antioch, which is more likely they would have been called something much more akin to Messianic. It would be Greek speaking who used the transliteration which becomes Jesus in English, the second hand transliteration from ישוע or Yeshua.

Many people, millions, agree on the word Christian and the name Jesus, yet Yahweh sent His messenger to name Yeshua, and He sent the Messiah, King of all Jews.

That other flock spoken of by Messiah is joined to the original flock, not the other way around. This deals with being high minded over the olive tree. Those graffed in do not support the tree it is the root and the tree supporting the grafts. No one should ever lose sight of this, but through labyrinths of intellectualism, millions have. Millions have been deceived to drift away from the faith of Abraham, and this is a terrible reality.

I believe the Bible, all of it.

 

[zone]

Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

oh my
how embarrassing for you.
it's not i who is burdened with it - it's all you others

and...ahem.....pssst: Zechariah 12 was fulfilled.

why don't you folks believe God's Word?
at all?

 

[zone]

They were first called Christian at Antioch, which is more likely they would have been called something much more akin to Messianic. It would be Greek speaking who used the transliteration which becomes Jesus in English, the second hand transliteration from ישוע or Yeshua.

Many people, millions, agree on the word Christian and the name Jesus, yet Yahweh sent His messenger to name Yeshua, and He sent the Messiah, King of all Jews.

That other flock spoken of by Messiah is joined to the original flock, not the other way around. This deals with being high minded over the olive tree. Those graffed in do not support the tree it is the root and the tree supporting the grafts. No one should ever lose sight of this, but through labyrinths of intellectualism, millions have. Millions have been deceived to drift away from the faith of Abraham, and this is a terrible reality.

I believe the Bible, all of it.

Galatians 3:28
26For you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus

unbelievers are not His children (until they repent and believe)

again - i wonder - why none of you actually believe God's Word?

Romans 9:8
In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.

Galatians 3:29
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

you don't believe God's Word. you don't understand it. at all.
you have made an idol for yourselves.

you don't believe anything He has said and done.
apparently.

the same idolatrous notions posted again and again.

 

[JaumeJ]

It is not in error to believe the Messiah, Who said He has another flock to join to that original. In a multitude of words, sin is not far. I do not judge others to hell, this includes you. It seems you are judging everyone else. Remember with the judgment you mete out you will be judged. May Yahweh bless you to accept our forefathers and family in the Holy Spirit. Until then all we may do is pray for your eyes to be opened to the love that is Yahweh, amen.

The Blood of His Lamb is to cleanse you and me and all from error, and by what I have seen, there will be tears a plenty to be wiped away for you and for me come the Kingdom. Praise our Father Who is waiting to wipe away all tears.

 

[xuanvuive2013]

[h=1]Do Jews Have a Right to Dance in the Promised Land?[/h]
[video=youtube;ZJUE-INHNoQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJUE-INHNoQ[/video]

 

[loveme1]

Revelation 3

I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. 9Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. 10Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 12Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God,which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. 13He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Who are posing as Jews?

 

[JaumeJ]

There are serious warnings in the Word as to turning against the natural Olive Tree and root. No one on this earth is excluded from faith in our Maker, Whom I call Yahweh, nor from His Holy Spirit. This includes Jews who are enemy's of the gospel for our sake, yet beloved for the elect.



Rom 8:31
What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

Rom 8:32
He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.


Rom 8:34
Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Who can deny anyone the Blood of the Passover Lamb of Yahweh, surely not any who are against them just because they are Jews? Anyone who turns to the Messiah will be saved.

Behold, God also declares He will justify the ungodly, so do not judge anyone to condemnation. Perhaps the faith of another is something not for you, but this does not exclude them.

Galatians 3:28
26For you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus

unbelievers are not His children (until they repent and believe)

again - i wonder - why none of you actually believe God's Word?

Romans 9:8
In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.

Galatians 3:29
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

you don't believe God's Word. you don't understand it. at all.
you have made an idol for yourselves.

you don't believe anything He has said and done.
apparently.

the same idolatrous notions posted again and again.

 

[JaumeJ]

From the CEV



Gal 3:28
Faith in Christ Jesus is what makes each of you equal with each other, whether you are a Jew or a Greek, a slave or a free person, a man or a woman.

Rom 9:7
In fact, when God made the promise to Abraham, he meant only Abraham's descendants by his son Isaac. God was talking only about Isaac when he promised

Rom 9:8
(SEE 9:7)

Rom 9:9
Sarah, "At this time next year I will return, and you will already have a son."


Gal 3:29
So if you belong to Christ, you are now part of Abraham's family, and you will be given what God has promised.

Examine closely the words in red in regard to the entire quote from Yahweh's Word, and you will see reiterated that we are now part of Yahweh's family. We have not replaced the most beloved Jews, we have become a part of the family in faith. It is not a difficult thing to grasp as long as one is not blinded by some other agenda. The Blood of the Lamb of Yahweh is for all who will accept His glorious sacrifice, amen.

 

[unclefester]

Gal 3:29
So if you belong to Christ, you are now part of Abraham's family, and you will be given what God has promised.

Examine closely the words in red in regard to the entire quote from Yahweh's Word, and you will see reiterated that we are now part of Yahweh's family. We have not replaced the most beloved Jews, we have become a part of the family in faith. It is not a difficult thing to grasp as long as one is not blinded by some other agenda. The Blood of the Lamb of Yahweh is for all who will accept His glorious sacrifice, amen.

Examine closely the words in blue. Do the Jews who reject Jesus Christ as the Messiah and Saviour belong to Him ? Is there one new covenant for all in Christ ... or do the Jews get a free pass because of their bloodline ? This is the crux as you well know Jack. The "family of faith" consists only of those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ .... period. Nothing more ... and most importantly, nothing less ... for Jew or Gentile.​

 

[JaumeJ]

The red and the blue go together perfectly. Reading all, it makes perfect sense. It goes with the teaching they are beloved for the sake of the elect. Learn this, it is a great blessing. You like that word, crux, but it is not a panacea explaining all that has been misunderstood, however its other meaning is the solution to all, the Cross. If you feel you are separate from the original Olive tree, and you nourish yourself without its root, this is wrong, plain and simple, and you are not capturing the crux of the Word. I pray Yeshua grant you light to see the meaning of the teachings of His Word, and that you will love all people whether they are at the cross yet or not. It is not for any who believe to judge them, not one.

Examine closely the words in blue. Do the Jews who reject Jesus Christ as the Messiah and Saviour belong to Him ? Is there one new covenant for all in Christ ... or do the Jews get a free pass because of their bloodline ? This is the crux as you well know Jack. The "family of faith" consists only of those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ .... period. Nothing more ... and most importantly, nothing less ... for Jew or Gentile.​

 

[jerusalem]

there are several parts to this one question. a free pass is a free pass. it is what every christian has been given. it was offered and accepted. the key word here is accepted. if a free pass is offered and then rejected you do not have the free pass and are not a christian. the promises are twofold. some of the promises are material and some spiritual the misunderstanding comes in not knowing what God called the Jews for. they were called specifically to keep God's word unchanged and they have done that. the scribes to this day see to it that not so much as a punctuation mark is changed. every copy must be identical. they were also promised the physical property of judea. a portion of it . the land was actually promised to the entire nation of israel of which judah is only one portion. the nation of the jews has called itself israel but technically israel consists of many tribes not just one. this one point of confusion has muddied up understanding prophecy for a very long time. when reading scripture in future try to be aware of the number of times that judah and israel are mentioned as seperate entities. this is a portion of rightly dividing the word of truth. distinguishing between the spiritual and physical and distinguishing between groups. these are key issues and lack of awareness creates disputes

 

[RaphaEl2nd]

I have just read a report that says that it is prophesized that Jews will return to the promised land. I have talked with a couple who spent months working there at the organization that welcomes them. Most haven't a clue that they are fulfilling bible prophecy. For most, God does not play an important role in their life.

This report says that it is God's will that they return, and the devil is solidly against that return and is behind all working against that return. They say we are to let God take care of their disobedience, but still be on God's side so we help with that return. It also says that you can spot those on the devil's side and on God's side by how they stand on this issue. If they are for God's ways, they will support the Jews returning.

I read another report that said God is still working to punish Jews for their disobedience. God took away the leadership of the Christian church from them back in 70 when James, brother of Jesus and head of our church was killed and the Jewish people were almost wiped out by Rome. At that time gentiles were made head of the church, but that will end according to prophesy. Jews will again be made head of the church, but it isn't going to be done with a sword. We are not to work for that to happen, but let God take care of it. We are not to work for the return of the Jews to the promised land.

What do you think?

United States who gave power to the Euro-Jews though the establishment of the States of Israel in the Balfour Deciaration in 1917 A.D. Notice Israel is not call a country or kingdom , it is called a states because it is an extension of the United States .