The Homosexual Threat

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oldhermit

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who says ooo daddy? LOL

I still consider that D word a cuss word. If My daughter said it in front of me, her mouth would get slapped. :)
Technically, it was not a cuss word because it was mispelled. But, this certainly does not change the impression it was intended to convey.
 
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who says ooo daddy? LOL

I still consider that D word a cuss word. If My daughter said it in front of me, her mouth would get slapped. :)
Children away reported everything to their father about what goes on around them by starting it off by saying, " Ooooo Daddy."

Back in the days, we weren't allowed to even say the word, Hell and darn it, but instead we were allowed to spell it and darn it, we will say, " Dab nab it".
 

Elizabeth619

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But it sure does not help when one is subjected to the likes of the Westboro Baptists churches of the world. If we leave out the compassion that Jesus has for the thief on the cross,the Samaritan woman who was shacking up with a guy who was not her husband,that is the other side. God is NOT willing that any man should perish,but it sure is a whole lot easier blasting someone else when it's NOT my sin. Never mind the fact that except for the fact that He made us born again we would ALL be in the very same boat. See our comparison is NOT to each other BUT how do we line up next to Jesus? It is always so much easier if one has never had to deal with these things to crush another person.
Where did the WBC come
In on this? If you think for a single moment that his parents are like those of the WBC or we attend a church like that you're highly mistaken.
 

Elizabeth619

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Yes Myself and fellow liberals are the issue. Not the conservatives trying to retrogressively take us back to the 'good ol days'...
Extreme liberalism, and extreme conservatism is a lot if the problem. Both sides are bigoted, arrogant, and immoral.
 

notuptome

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Just how extreme is Gods truth? How has it changed since the beginning? God is extreme in His Holy righteousness. the devil is extreme in his evil. There can be no compromise between the two. What concord hath Christ with Belial?

For the cause of Christ
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First of all, those who are saying that homosexuality is a sin and abomination are correct. Now, is it judging negatively? No, it is exposing sin for it is. True God is the judge. Some say sin is sin and that there are no levels, but God has made it clear in the Sodom and Gomorrah case and in the book of Jude that it is a sin but more dangerous. Now, I agree that Christians should not be Westboro. But if a homosexual has repented, his identity must be in Christ and his holiness alone. I say these things out of concern, I of course don't want anyone to commit suicide, etc but when the Bible says that this is a sin that it is an abomination, unnatural, etc. it must be believed that that is true and not false. You can't pick and choose. God loves everyone and two commandments Jesus gave us, love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength and love your neighbor as yourself. So I am not condemning anyone. I want all to be saved and come to Christ. But when God says that homosexuality is a sin, it is sin. It should not be accepted as natural, beneficial, etc. But you cannot believe all that the world saying about these issues, follow what God says not the mainstream media. God bless.
 

Elizabeth619

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Just how extreme is Gods truth? How has it changed since the beginning? God is extreme in His Holy righteousness. the devil is extreme in his evil. There can be no compromise between the two. What concord hath Christ with Belial?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Never said anything about compromise but when your views are driven by ignorance, hate and no regard for the truth then there is a problem.
 

Mo0448

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The scriptures state that there isn't a sin that is greater than another sin as in in the eyes of the Lord (with the exception of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit) a liar, a cheat, one who does not love his neighbor as himself, one who does not show mercy those are all sins. However I believe the biggest argument in the Homosexual debate is that a homosexual is living and indulging in their lives of sin and are in no way repentant of it. I know individuals who did have an inclination to the same sex now having that inclination and acting on that inclination are two very different things. I may be tempted by a woman as a married man for an example but if I act and welcome those temptations whether it be in mind or in my actions then I am sinning. However if I notice the temptation and pray and do the Joseph ( literally run away from it) then well thats the difference. Many homosexuals however not only do not believe in God but also believe that they should engage in whatever they want with no thought of repentance whatsoever. And that's where I'll leave it is Homosexuality wrong? Yes biblically it is God made us to be one with a woman she was made from a part of us and joining together with a woman is being made back into one flesh under God. But so is lying cheating stealing committing adultery or murder. We need to be more understanding of everyone show mercy give grace as Jesus gave for us sinners yesterday, today and tomorrow!

God Bless
 

john832

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Yes I can easily explain. Matthew 21:31 “Which of the two did what his father wanted?” “The first,” they answered. Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.


Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

It doesn't much matter what I think, what matters is what God thinks.
 
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First of all, those who are saying that homosexuality is a sin and abomination are correct. Now, is it judging negatively? No, it is exposing sin for it is. True God is the judge. Some say sin is sin and that there are no levels, but God has made it clear in the Sodom and Gomorrah case and in the book of Jude that it is a sin but more dangerous. Now, I agree that Christians should not be Westboro. But if a homosexual has repented, his identity must be in Christ and his holiness alone. I say these things out of concern, I of course don't want anyone to commit suicide, etc but when the Bible says that this is a sin that it is an abomination, unnatural, etc. it must be believed that that is true and not false. You can't pick and choose. God loves everyone and two commandments Jesus gave us, love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength and love your neighbor as yourself. So I am not condemning anyone. I want all to be saved and come to Christ. But when God says that homosexuality is a sin, it is sin. It should not be accepted as natural, beneficial, etc. But you cannot believe all that the world saying about these issues, follow what God says not the mainstream media. God bless.
If you can't give up your sinful life for God, then you shouldn't worry about sinful life of others. A person should only worry about is they are going to be granted mercy because they are so weak.

Luke 18
18 A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
19 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 20 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.”
21 “All these I have kept since I was a boy,” he said.
22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

Just be glad that God is merciful and still accept you if you are weak. God like the effort when you tries to be with Him. All that you has desire here on earth will be wash away from your souls, but you must be worthy for Him to do that.

Matthew 19:26

Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

So are you able to be a eunuch? Thank God that he doesn't hold that against us.
 

Blain

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Perhaps being gay is a sin to be avoided, but has any one mentioned the one sin that is far worse? Blasphemy against the holy spirit. should we not be more concerned about this?
 

oldhermit

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Perhaps being gay is a sin to be avoided, but has any one mentioned the one sin that is far worse? Blasphemy against the holy spirit. should we not be more concerned about this?
Of course. But that is for another thread.
 

PennEd

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The scriptures state that there isn't a sin that is greater than another sin as in in the eyes of the Lord (with the exception of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit) a liar, a cheat, one who does not love his neighbor as himself, one who does not show mercy those are all sins. However I believe the biggest argument in the Homosexual debate is that a homosexual is living and indulging in their lives of sin and are in no way repentant of it. I know individuals who did have an inclination to the same sex now having that inclination and acting on that inclination are two very different things. I may be tempted by a woman as a married man for an example but if I act and welcome those temptations whether it be in mind or in my actions then I am sinning. However if I notice the temptation and pray and do the Joseph ( literally run away from it) then well thats the difference. Many homosexuals however not only do not believe in God but also believe that they should engage in whatever they want with no thought of repentance whatsoever. And that's where I'll leave it is Homosexuality wrong? Yes biblically it is God made us to be one with a woman she was made from a part of us and joining together with a woman is being made back into one flesh under God. But so is lying cheating stealing committing adultery or murder. We need to be more understanding of everyone show mercy give grace as Jesus gave for us sinners yesterday, today and tomorrow!

God Bless
This is a good piece that makes clear that there IS gradation of sins.

Are all sins equal? Are some sins worse than others? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
 

Mo0448

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"Jesus clearly taught that there is a difference in the level of sins that we can commit. So, we can conclude there are sins that are worse than others by nature. We could easily say, for example, that stealing a paper clip is not as bad as murdering a group of people."

Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles had occurred in Tyre and Sidon which occurred in you, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22 "Nevertheless I say to you, it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment, than for you," (Matt. 11:21-22).
"the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him, and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers. 47 “And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, shall receive many lashes, 48 but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. " (Luke 12:46-48).


Taken from the link you provided.

The term "level of sins" I interpret as the consequences of sins. Yes stealing a paper clip is not as bad as murdering a group of people but that is only because the consequences of murdering a group of people is far worse in society than stealing a paper clip. One would probably not care too much if you "stole" a paper clip from their desk because a paper clip has no monetary value to them. However if one did "steal" regardless of what was stolen it is still a sin in God's eyes and while the consequences of said sins are different in the society we live in, we will have to make account of it to God on the day of
Judgment. As you see Jesus said "committed deeds worthy of flogging but only receive a few". Not that their sin is "less" but the consequence of the sin is less.

Matthew 12: 35-37
A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”

So as you can see one day we will all be held accountable for everything God won't sit there with a balance saying well you stole 5 paper clips or shoplifted one little candy bar while this person killed thousands you're "NOT AS SINFUL" as the murderer. I have no doubt in my mind that if the murderer repents and asks for the forgiveness and the paperclip candy bar thief feels that "its not that big of a sin" he will surely not inherit the kingdom of Heaven. The danger of putting sins in different degrees of severity may lead to the Pharisees to come out and play. Sure not all sins have similar consequences. Me lying to a friend or loved one about how much money I spent this month, as opposed to lying to my significant other about an affair have TWO VERY DISTINCT CONSEQUENCES. But to God sin is sin.

I would like to clear something else up to just in case. I do not believe that this means that you need to sit there and begin to ask God to forgive you for every little thing you do, I feel many people are going to be left behind not due to their sin (can you really wash dirt and make dirty less "dirty") but due to their lack of belief. Repenting of your sins understanding that you are sinful and the only way to have these sins be cleaned is by accepting and acknowledging the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ on the cross!

I hope this helps

God Bless!



 

PennEd

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"Jesus clearly taught that there is a difference in the level of sins that we can commit. So, we can conclude there are sins that are worse than others by nature. We could easily say, for example, that stealing a paper clip is not as bad as murdering a group of people.

Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles had occurred in Tyre and Sidon which occurred in you, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22 "Nevertheless I say to you, it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment, than for you," (Matt. 11:21-22).
"the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him, and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers. 47 “And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, shall receive many lashes, 48 but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. " (Luke 12:46-48).


Taken from the link you provided.

The term "level of sins" I interpret as the consequences of sins. Yes stealing a paper clip is not as bad as murdering a group of people but that is only because the consequences of murdering a group of people is far worse in society than stealing a paper clip. One would probably not care too much if you "stole" a paper clip from their desk because a paper clip has no monetary value to them. However if one did "steal" regardless of what was stolen it is still a sin in God's eyes and while the consequences of said sins are different in the society we live in, we will have to make account of it to God on the day of
Judgment. As you see Jesus said "committed deeds worthy of flogging but only receive a few". Not that their sin is "less" but the consequence of the sin is less.

Matthew 12: 35-37
A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”

So as you can see one day we will all be held accountable for everything God won't sit there with a balance saying well you stole 5 paper clips or shoplifted one little candy bar while this person killed thousands you're "NOT AS SINFUL" as the murderer. I have no doubt in my mind that if the murderer repents and asks for the forgiveness and the paperclip candy bar thief feels that "its not that big of a sin" he will surely not inherit the kingdom of Heaven. The danger of putting sins in different degrees of severity may lead to the Pharisees to come out and play. Sure not all sins have similar consequences. Me lying to a friend or loved one about how much money I spent this month, as opposed to lying to my significant other about an affair have TWO VERY DISTINCT CONSEQUENCES. But to God sin is sin.

I would like to clear something else up to just in case. I do not believe that this means that you need to sit there and begin to ask God to forgive you for every little thing you do, I feel many people are going to be left behind not due to their sin (can you really wash dirt and make dirty less "dirty") but due to their lack of belief. Repenting of your sins understanding that you are sinful and the only way to have these sins be cleaned is by accepting and acknowledging the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ on the cross!

I hope this helps

God Bless!



I agree we are talking about the consequences of sin and not that a lesser sin will result in a person being saved. But the gradation of sin to the unsaved will result in the severity of the eternal punishment.

I like the analogy I heard years ago that if you were hanging over a volcano by a chain and each strong link was forged by a good deed you did, how many bad links forged from the tiniest sin to the worst sin, would have to break in order for you to fall into the burning lava?
 
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After some things that I have witnessed this week that has affected me, close friends, and my church congregation I am going to say that ALOT of the homosexual "issue" is the media.

Many in the media will take stories from people who are homosexual. Exploit it, make it look like their victims, and then throw in comments about bigots, ignorant Christians and hate. The fact is many of us Christians that do not approve of homosexuality are not bigots, haters, ignorant and so on. We interact with gay people, friends with them, related to them, and deal with them on a daily basis. We may not approve of their ways, but that by no means indicates we hate them or wish ill on them.
I mentioned that I witnessed something this week, and I have. My whole town did. On one of those Talent/singing reality shows there was a kid from my town that on the show this past week. He has a beautiful voice, and could easily reach fame by his talent. Yet, when this kid walked on stage he announced to the the entire nation that his parents kicked out him of his house on his 18th birthday for being gay. He tears up, and everyone feels sorry for him. This kid did sing well, and will advance on, but I can't help but wonder if it was because of his talent or because he was a "victim" of hate. News headlines are all over the internet about how this guy was kicked out of his home on his birthday, and disowned by his family. People are now calling his parents bigots, ignorant, shameful..etc.
Guess what. I know his parents. I know him. I attend the same congregation he once did. His parents NEVER kicked him out, but he walked out. His own brother denied the accusations, and his family is heartbroken. This guy(his name is Jonathan) got on national television, and slandered the people who raised him.
Has his family been interviewed or asked about the situation? No. Are people judging total strangers and looking down on these "ignorant bigot Christians" because of a lie? YES.

This is why I blame the media for ALOT of what is going on.

BTW, please pray for this situation. This could become worse, and I fear for those involved.
wow, I watched the clip you gave and wondered just how could this young man lie on national TV about his parents, why don't you call him out by posting in the comments of that clip? there must be more people that know him and his family, why don't all call him out?...or are they?...
 
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Why does this guy makes me think of Borat? :rolleyes: