Did you not read and pay attention to my last post? It is not possible to keep the ten commandments completely. And you are wrong about receiving the holy spirit, I received him the very next morning after I accepted Christ. I woke up full of him and danced around my room in joy. the holy spirit is not bound to a certain way of people receiving him
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Revelation 14:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
My faith is in Jesus. As for keeping Gods 10 commandments
LUKE 17 [5] And the apostles said unto the Lord, INCREASE OUR FAITH. [6] And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you. [7] But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat? [8] And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink? [9] DOTH HE THANK THAT SERVANT BECAUSE HE DID THE THINGS THAT WERE COMMANDED HIM? I TROW NOT. [10] So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, WE ARE UNPROFITABLE SERVANTS: WE HAVE DONE THAT WHICH WAS OUR DUTY TO DO.
Verse 9. Some parables are so clear. Even though we have done which was our duty to do and did the things commanded of us, we are still unprofitable servants. Filthy rags. Its only by grace through faith that we are saved. OK, so what is our duty that we must do?
ECCLES. 12 [8] Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity. [9] And moreover, because the preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yea, he gave good heed, and sought out, and set in order many proverbs. [10] The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth. [11] THE WORDS OF THE WISE are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from ONE SHEPHERD. [12] And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh. [13] LET US HEAR THE CONCLUSION OF THE WHOLE MATTER: FEAR GOD, AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: FOR THIS IS THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN
Just doin my duty
Revelation 14:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
My faith is in Jesus. As for keeping Gods 10 commandments
LUKE 17 [5] And the apostles said unto the Lord, INCREASE OUR FAITH. [6] And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you. [7] But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat? [8] And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink? [9] DOTH HE THANK THAT SERVANT BECAUSE HE DID THE THINGS THAT WERE COMMANDED HIM? I TROW NOT. [10] So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, WE ARE UNPROFITABLE SERVANTS: WE HAVE DONE THAT WHICH WAS OUR DUTY TO DO.
Verse 9. Some parables are so clear. Even though we have done which was our duty to do and did the things commanded of us, we are still unprofitable servants. Filthy rags. Its only by grace through faith that we are saved. OK, so what is our duty that we must do?
ECCLES. 12 [8] Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity. [9] And moreover, because the preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yea, he gave good heed, and sought out, and set in order many proverbs. [10] The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth. [11] THE WORDS OF THE WISE are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from ONE SHEPHERD. [12] And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh. [13] LET US HEAR THE CONCLUSION OF THE WHOLE MATTER: FEAR GOD, AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: FOR THIS IS THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN
Just doin my duty
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So you claim to have received the Holy Spirit
JOHN 14 [15] If ye love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.[16] AND I WILL PRAY THE FATHER, AND HE SHALL GIVE YOU ANOTHER COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever;[17] Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.[19] Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.[20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.[21] HE THAT HATH MY COMMANDMENTS, AND KEEPETH THEM, HE IT IS THAT LOVETH ME: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I WILL LOVE HIM, AND WILL MANIFEST MYSELF TO HIM.
In order to receive the Holy Spirit we must first be keeping Gods 10 commandments. The 4th included. Thats what John 14{15-16} says. This truth is also found in verse {21}.
ACTS 5 [29] Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.[30] The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.[31] Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.[32] And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also THE HOLY GHOST, WHOM GOD HATH GIVEN TO THEM THAT OBEY HIM.
Holy Ghost {Spirit} is given to them who OBEY God
DEUT.27 [10] Thou shalt therefore OBEY THE VOICE of the LORD thy God, and DO HIS COMMANDMENTS and his statutes, which I command thee this day.
JOHN 10 [27] MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE, and I know them, and they follow me: [28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
The sheep Jesus came for will “obey the voice”. Obey GOD and do his commandments and then recieve Gods Holy Spirit
ACTS 2 [38] Then Peter said unto them, REPENT, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, AND YE SHALL RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST.
You no doubt are to repent of sin. Sin is the transgression of the law. If you are not transgressing the law, you are then keeping Gods 10 commandments. Its then youll recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit
Did you not read and pay attention to my last post? It is not possible to keep the ten commandments completely. And you are wrong about receiving the holy spirit, I received him the very next morning after I accepted Christ. I woke up full of him and danced around my room in joy. the holy spirit is not bound to a certain way of people receiving him
I am wrong about receiving the Holy Spirit. You think I wrote John 14? I think not!
So you claim to have received the Holy Spirit
JOHN 14 [15] If ye love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.[16] AND I WILL PRAY THE FATHER, AND HE SHALL GIVE YOU ANOTHER COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever;[17] Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.[19] Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.[20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.[21] HE THAT HATH MY COMMANDMENTS, AND KEEPETH THEM, HE IT IS THAT LOVETH ME: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I WILL LOVE HIM, AND WILL MANIFEST MYSELF TO HIM.
In order to receive the Holy Spirit we must first be keeping Gods 10 commandments. The 4th included. Thats what John 14{15-16} says. This truth is also found in verse {21}.
ACTS 5 [29] Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.[30] The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.[31] Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.[32] And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also THE HOLY GHOST, WHOM GOD HATH GIVEN TO THEM THAT OBEY HIM.
Holy Ghost {Spirit} is given to them who OBEY God
DEUT.27 [10] Thou shalt therefore OBEY THE VOICE of the LORD thy God, and DO HIS COMMANDMENTS and his statutes, which I command thee this day.
JOHN 10 [27] MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE, and I know them, and they follow me: [28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
The sheep Jesus came for will “obey the voice”. Obey GOD and do his commandments and then recieve Gods Holy Spirit
ACTS 2 [38] Then Peter said unto them, REPENT, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, AND YE SHALL RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST.
You no doubt are to repent of sin. Sin is the transgression of the law. If you are not transgressing the law, you are then keeping Gods 10 commandments. Its then youll recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit
Did you not read and pay attention to my last post? It is not possible to keep the ten commandments completely. And you are wrong about receiving the holy spirit, I received him the very next morning after I accepted Christ. I woke up full of him and danced around my room in joy. the holy spirit is not bound to a certain way of people receiving him
I am wrong about receiving the Holy Spirit. You think I wrote John 14? I think not!
E
lol,
If your placing your eternity in the hands of how well you can keep the law. your trusting self and law.
I have placed my eternity of the hands of God based on his son, because I have failed to keep the law. and will never be able to meet the just requirement of the law (100% obedience)
saying your trusting jesus, and also trusting law is a contradiction in terms..
God helps me obey also. In fact without him, I could not obey.. I just will never be puffed up enough to say i have made it, I will never sin again, or my eternity depends on how God I can obay, for I would be fooling myself, and in danger.
Remember, I can not commit adultry, A non believer can do it also.
the difference is, I do it by the power of God, because I understand why he said though shalt not. The non believer does it with self motivated reasons.. Thus he is still in sin, even though he is obeying the law. Because he does it for self..
A believer who does something which according to the law is good can sin by doing it also. It is called doing it for selfish reasons..
Anything done to puff up self, or to get something out of it for personal gain (including to earn salvation) is a work, and sin..
If your placing your eternity in the hands of how well you can keep the law. your trusting self and law.
I have placed my eternity of the hands of God based on his son, because I have failed to keep the law. and will never be able to meet the just requirement of the law (100% obedience)
saying your trusting jesus, and also trusting law is a contradiction in terms..
God helps me obey also. In fact without him, I could not obey.. I just will never be puffed up enough to say i have made it, I will never sin again, or my eternity depends on how God I can obay, for I would be fooling myself, and in danger.
Remember, I can not commit adultry, A non believer can do it also.
the difference is, I do it by the power of God, because I understand why he said though shalt not. The non believer does it with self motivated reasons.. Thus he is still in sin, even though he is obeying the law. Because he does it for self..
A believer who does something which according to the law is good can sin by doing it also. It is called doing it for selfish reasons..
Anything done to puff up self, or to get something out of it for personal gain (including to earn salvation) is a work, and sin..
E
lol.. you ignore John 3, You ignore all the other passages (many of which I posted in this thread of which NO ONE HAS RESPONDED) We do not get out doctrines from one passage, we get it from the whole council of God.. the bible is a book. one idea. not a bunch of different ideas which say different things and contradict each other..
Scripture can not contradict.
You do not get the point that someone who is not born of the spirit (born again) CAN NOT OBEY THE COMMANDS. They will ALWAYS do them for selfish reasons, and it is always sin.
There are NON RIGHTEOUS, no not one,, there is none who does good.
Our works are as filthy rags.. That is what God thinks of those who have not been born again and do his commands. They are human good, not divine good. and they are worthless to God.
The pharisees thought as you do. They crucified Christ because he told them the same thing we are telling you. Why do you want to be a pharisee??
Scripture can not contradict.
You do not get the point that someone who is not born of the spirit (born again) CAN NOT OBEY THE COMMANDS. They will ALWAYS do them for selfish reasons, and it is always sin.
There are NON RIGHTEOUS, no not one,, there is none who does good.
Our works are as filthy rags.. That is what God thinks of those who have not been born again and do his commands. They are human good, not divine good. and they are worthless to God.
The pharisees thought as you do. They crucified Christ because he told them the same thing we are telling you. Why do you want to be a pharisee??
So then why Did the lord give me the holy spirit that day? I was a great sinner and asked him to come to my life. No scripture contradicts another, so the only explanation is us not understanding the scripture itself. The fire burns and is very much alive in me, not because of anything I did or anything of me but because the Lord was Full of grace and was generous. If your view on the scripture is correct then I have not yet received the holy spirit and am not saved.
L
Since sanctification will free us from the power of sin then we will become keepers of the law not breakers of the law. All three steps is a leading away from sin and sin is transgression of the law. It is about having Christ in us the hope of glory. With Christ in us the what kind of people would we be?
I would never ignore John 3
JOHN 3 [16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him MIGHT BE SAVED. [18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [19] And this is the condemnation, THAT LIGHT IS COME INTO THE WORLD, AND MEN LOVED DARKNESS RATHER THAN LIGHT, because their deeds were evil. [20] For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. [21] But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Many will quote John 3[16-18]. But if you go on to read the next 3 verses in John (19-21) you will see that unbelievers have NO LIGHT IN THEM because they prefer darkness. Could it be there are some that say they believe and think they believe, but actually believe not due to their deeds? Their works?
ISAIAH 8 [20] TO THE LAW AND TO THE TESTIMONY: IF THEY SPEAK NOT ACCORDING TO THIS WORD, IT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM.[21] And they shall pass through it, hardly bestead and hungry: and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be hungry, they shall fret themselves, and curse their king and their God, and look upward.[22] And they shall look unto the earth; and behold trouble and darkness, dimness of anguish; and they shall be driven to darkness.
Law and the Testimony
REV.12 [16] And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST.
Law and the Testimony
To the law (10 commandments) and the testimony (Jesus) If they speak not according to these words THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM. Just as the WORD says in John 3.
ACTS 17 [10] And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. [11] These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and SEARCHED THE SCRIPTURES DAILY, whether those things were so. [12] Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
Many will claim that Isaiah 8 is old testament and may be ignored{even though its speaking of the Day of the Lord}. Im not sure where the many came up with that train of thought. The old testament scriptures were the only scriptures around during the time of Paul. In Acts 17 you find a people who searched the old testament scriptures daily to see if Paul was telling the truth. By testing Pauls words in this way, many came to believe. Nothings changed since Pauls time. Scripture should be of no private interpretation. Scripture will interpret scripture.
JOHN 3 [16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him MIGHT BE SAVED. [18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [19] And this is the condemnation, THAT LIGHT IS COME INTO THE WORLD, AND MEN LOVED DARKNESS RATHER THAN LIGHT, because their deeds were evil. [20] For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. [21] But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Many will quote John 3[16-18]. But if you go on to read the next 3 verses in John (19-21) you will see that unbelievers have NO LIGHT IN THEM because they prefer darkness. Could it be there are some that say they believe and think they believe, but actually believe not due to their deeds? Their works?
ISAIAH 8 [20] TO THE LAW AND TO THE TESTIMONY: IF THEY SPEAK NOT ACCORDING TO THIS WORD, IT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM.[21] And they shall pass through it, hardly bestead and hungry: and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be hungry, they shall fret themselves, and curse their king and their God, and look upward.[22] And they shall look unto the earth; and behold trouble and darkness, dimness of anguish; and they shall be driven to darkness.
Law and the Testimony
REV.12 [16] And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST.
Law and the Testimony
To the law (10 commandments) and the testimony (Jesus) If they speak not according to these words THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM. Just as the WORD says in John 3.
ACTS 17 [10] And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. [11] These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and SEARCHED THE SCRIPTURES DAILY, whether those things were so. [12] Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
Many will claim that Isaiah 8 is old testament and may be ignored{even though its speaking of the Day of the Lord}. Im not sure where the many came up with that train of thought. The old testament scriptures were the only scriptures around during the time of Paul. In Acts 17 you find a people who searched the old testament scriptures daily to see if Paul was telling the truth. By testing Pauls words in this way, many came to believe. Nothings changed since Pauls time. Scripture should be of no private interpretation. Scripture will interpret scripture.
E
Non believers have no light, because they are not born of God. Many people believe, but are not born of God. Why do you think Paul warns of people trying to mix law and grace and telling these same people, who believe in Jesus, that that is a different gospel. which is no gospel at all.
There is a danger trying to mix law and grace like you are.. the reson is because your trusting self. Not the work of Christ.
Jesus said it is finished. Why do you want to make him a liar, and say it was not finished, we must ADD to his work and do our part.
it is either finished as Jesus said, Or he lied on the cross. in which case, we are all doomed, because he died in vien, he is a sinner just like the rest of us, for breaking the law!
Lets read your version of John 3:
God so loved the world, he gave his only son, that whoever believes in him, and obeys his commands, may never die, but might have eternal life.
See the huge difference between the Gospel of justification of faith, and the gospel of justification by faith and works? they contradict each other!
L
1 John 2:1-4 KJV
(1) My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
(2) And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
(3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
(4) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
According to these texts we see:-
1. God does not want us to sin
2. A relationship with Christ will lead us to keep His commandments. So then if we are not keeping His commandments we do not have a relationship with Him.
1 John 2:15-16 KJV
(15) Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
(16) For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
(1) My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
(2) And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
(3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
(4) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
According to these texts we see:-
1. God does not want us to sin
2. A relationship with Christ will lead us to keep His commandments. So then if we are not keeping His commandments we do not have a relationship with Him.
1 John 2:15-16 KJV
(15) Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
(16) For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
Hi Blain
ROMANS 8 [24] For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?[25] But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
You think you were saved on a certain day. Right? What do ya do with above scripture? If your already saved what do you then patiently hope for. Its really very clear
PSALM 119 [165] Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.[166] LORD, I have hoped for thy salvation, and done thy commandments.[167] My soul hath kept thy testimonies; and I love them exceedingly.
ROMANS 8 [24] For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?[25] But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
You think you were saved on a certain day. Right? What do ya do with above scripture? If your already saved what do you then patiently hope for. Its really very clear
PSALM 119 [165] Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.[166] LORD, I have hoped for thy salvation, and done thy commandments.[167] My soul hath kept thy testimonies; and I love them exceedingly.
What do I patiently hope for? I will tell you. I patiently wait and hope for the answer to my prayers, I wish to see all people and the world as The Lord does. I wish to truly love and care for all people and things as he does, I seek to desire what he desires, to always seek what he seeks and for whatever the will of the Father is,so shall be mine. I patiently wait and seek for a truly humble and fearful heart for the lord, for him and I to have a loveing relationship this world has never seen before. To show the world who he truly is and how deeply he cares for them. And for many thers to seek, hunger and have such a relationship as this.
Proverbs 4:4-9 (KJV)
4 He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live.
5 Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth.
6 Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall keep thee.
7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
8 Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour, when thou dost embrace her.
9 She shall give to thine head an ornament of grace: a crown of glory shall she deliver to thee.
Don't look to dangerous to me
H
Yes, and the thief on the cross who called Jesus "Lord" had the above without any deeds of the law as proof.
The thief on the cross is God's example to mankind that we are saved by grace alone.
But those here preaching the law have been deceived by the devil. They do not have heart purity, fruit of repentance, etc. They deny what Christ's sacrifice did on the cross for us and thus they have counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith they were sanctified, an unholy thing (Heb 10:29).
In being under the law they make themselves sinners.
Gal 2:18
if I build again those things which I destroyed (righteousness by works of the law), I make myself a transgressor/SINNER.
Tit 1:16
They profess to know God, but in works (of the law) they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.
The thief on the cross is God's example to mankind that we are saved by grace alone.
But those here preaching the law have been deceived by the devil. They do not have heart purity, fruit of repentance, etc. They deny what Christ's sacrifice did on the cross for us and thus they have counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith they were sanctified, an unholy thing (Heb 10:29).
In being under the law they make themselves sinners.
Gal 2:18
if I build again those things which I destroyed (righteousness by works of the law), I make myself a transgressor/SINNER.
Tit 1:16
They profess to know God, but in works (of the law) they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.
That's simply wonderful
You said "I patiently wait and seek for a truly humble and fearful heart for the lord"
If you wish to be humble don't ya think its a good idea to get rid of pride and vanity?
PSALM 119 [113] I HATE VAIN THOUGHTS: BUT THY LAW DO I LOVE. [114] Thou art my hiding place and my shield: I hope in thy word. [115] Depart from me, ye evildoers: for I WILL KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF MY GOD. [116] Uphold me according unto thy word, that I may live: and let me not be ashamed of my hope.
2 KINGS 17 [15] And they rejected his statutes, and his covenant that he made with their fathers, and his testimonies which he testified against them; and THEY FOLLOWED VANITY, and became vain, and went after the heathen that were round about them, concerning whom the Lord had charged them, that they should not do like them. [16] And THEY LEFT ALL THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD their God, and made them molten images, even two calves, and made a grove, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served Baal.
DEUT. 32 [46] And he said unto them, Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall COMMAND YOUR CHILDREN TO OBSERVE TO DO, ALL THE WORDS OF THIS LAW. [47] For IT IS NOT A VAIN THING for you; because it is your life: and through this thing ye shall prolong your days in the land, whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.
MATTHEW 15 [3] But he answered and said unto them, WHY DO YE ALSO TRANSGRESS THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD BY YOUR TRADITION? [4] For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. [5] But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; [6] And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. [7] Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, [8] This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. [9] BUT IN VAIN THEY DO WORSHIP ME, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
PSALM 119 [21] Thou hast rebuked THE PROUD that are cursed, which DO ERR FROM THY COMMANDMENTS.
PSALM 119 [85] THE PROUD have digged pits for me, which ARE NOT AFTER THY LAW. [86] All thy commandments are faithful: they persecute me wrongfully; help thou me.
MALACHI 4 [1] For, BEHOLD, THE DAY COMETH, that shall burn as an oven; and ALL THE PROUD, yea, and all that do wickedly, SHALL BE STUBBLE: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. [2] But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. [3] And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts. [4] REMEMBER YE THE LAW OF MOSES my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. [5] Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful DAY OF THE LORD:
You said "I patiently wait and seek for a truly humble and fearful heart for the lord"
If you wish to be humble don't ya think its a good idea to get rid of pride and vanity?
PSALM 119 [113] I HATE VAIN THOUGHTS: BUT THY LAW DO I LOVE. [114] Thou art my hiding place and my shield: I hope in thy word. [115] Depart from me, ye evildoers: for I WILL KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF MY GOD. [116] Uphold me according unto thy word, that I may live: and let me not be ashamed of my hope.
2 KINGS 17 [15] And they rejected his statutes, and his covenant that he made with their fathers, and his testimonies which he testified against them; and THEY FOLLOWED VANITY, and became vain, and went after the heathen that were round about them, concerning whom the Lord had charged them, that they should not do like them. [16] And THEY LEFT ALL THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD their God, and made them molten images, even two calves, and made a grove, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served Baal.
DEUT. 32 [46] And he said unto them, Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall COMMAND YOUR CHILDREN TO OBSERVE TO DO, ALL THE WORDS OF THIS LAW. [47] For IT IS NOT A VAIN THING for you; because it is your life: and through this thing ye shall prolong your days in the land, whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.
MATTHEW 15 [3] But he answered and said unto them, WHY DO YE ALSO TRANSGRESS THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD BY YOUR TRADITION? [4] For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. [5] But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; [6] And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. [7] Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, [8] This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. [9] BUT IN VAIN THEY DO WORSHIP ME, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
PSALM 119 [21] Thou hast rebuked THE PROUD that are cursed, which DO ERR FROM THY COMMANDMENTS.
PSALM 119 [85] THE PROUD have digged pits for me, which ARE NOT AFTER THY LAW. [86] All thy commandments are faithful: they persecute me wrongfully; help thou me.
MALACHI 4 [1] For, BEHOLD, THE DAY COMETH, that shall burn as an oven; and ALL THE PROUD, yea, and all that do wickedly, SHALL BE STUBBLE: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. [2] But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. [3] And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts. [4] REMEMBER YE THE LAW OF MOSES my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. [5] Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful DAY OF THE LORD:
Yes i do think it is a good idea to be rid of pride, But not agreeing you with you does not mean i am prideful. I simply am telling my view on things and why i do not agree with yours. This kind of thing has been here in the world since the beginning of sin, If i have any Pride in me all I can do ask the lord to teach me and show me his ways which I ask a lot for fear of ever becoming the kind of people he warns about. I do follow any kind of certain doctrine or teaching. The way I see it as long as i seek his heart in all things i cannot possibly fall prey to any kind of false teaching. However this is not always easy as we wish to believe things our ears want to hear.
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Actually there's more than 10.
The 10 commandments you follow are part of the ministry of condemnation/death that is done away, 2Cor 3:7
The 10 commandments are part of the law which applies to those who seek to be perfected by the flesh, in rebellion against God. Such disobey God's commandment to flee fornication (1Cor 6:18, 1Thess 4:3) with Hagar/works of the law for righteousness.
But we see another set of commandments that believers keep.
1John 3:22,23
we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
What commandment do believers keep without spot are blameless on?
1Tim 6:12-14
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession (confess Jesus with your mouth, Rom 10:9) in the presence of many witnesses. I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing,
The 10 commandments you follow are part of the ministry of condemnation/death that is done away, 2Cor 3:7
The 10 commandments are part of the law which applies to those who seek to be perfected by the flesh, in rebellion against God. Such disobey God's commandment to flee fornication (1Cor 6:18, 1Thess 4:3) with Hagar/works of the law for righteousness.
But we see another set of commandments that believers keep.
1John 3:22,23
we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
What commandment do believers keep without spot are blameless on?
1Tim 6:12-14
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession (confess Jesus with your mouth, Rom 10:9) in the presence of many witnesses. I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing,
E
So again I ask you, like others.
Did your father know every sin you ever commited?
Did he tell you your obedience was required for you to be his child?
Did your father kick you out, or threaten to kick you out of his family if you did certain things?
Are not ALL sins against your father the same in your fathers eyes??
Is God a worse father than your earthly father, or will he not love you even more.. since he paid the debt for you to be adopted in the first place. the price being his son?
Did your father know every sin you ever commited?
Did he tell you your obedience was required for you to be his child?
Did your father kick you out, or threaten to kick you out of his family if you did certain things?
Are not ALL sins against your father the same in your fathers eyes??
Is God a worse father than your earthly father, or will he not love you even more.. since he paid the debt for you to be adopted in the first place. the price being his son?