The Homosexual Threat
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I think that is in all of us, especially when we get upset. Even if you think of harming someone, you have committed that act because it is in your heart. So are you ready to be judge? Or would you ask for leniency on the grounds that you were raised in sin.
Matthew 5:28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Matthew 12:34You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.
Matthew 5:28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Matthew 12:34You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.
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Grey & 4enlightment -- I think you missed the point that jandian was trying to make:
If a person is "born with" gay tendencies - and not to be discouraged from what came to them "naturally" --- what if a person is "born with" murderous tendencies? Should we forbid that they be discouraged from what came to them "naturally" also?
( my interpretation )
If a person is "born with" gay tendencies - and not to be discouraged from what came to them "naturally" --- what if a person is "born with" murderous tendencies? Should we forbid that they be discouraged from what came to them "naturally" also?
( my interpretation )
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I understand the point he was trying to make, but just because something comes naturally doesn't mean it should happen. And I think we both agree that murder and loving a member of the same gender are on different levels of social interaction. My dogma is this, if it comes naturally AND its consensual amongst two legal individuals, harming no one, then I could care less. Murder on the other hand is a different topic entirely.
For that matter, who are you to tell people not to shoot heroin? I can see that mindset, a laissez-faire attitude towards all behaviors not harmful to anyone but the consenting ones, but it'll be a hard sell on a Christian website. We are supposed to try to help people out of their self-destructive behaviors.
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Of course its a hard sell on Christians! If you haven't noticed most people here are hard rightliners. Why do you take the worst possible thing and compare it to homosexuality? Heroine is an unnaturally refined drug, likely made by criminal organizations, homosexuality is an attraction to the same gender observed in many mammals. Being in a gay relationship is about as self destructive as being in a straight one, though strangely the divorce rate amongst straights is nearly 50% in the U.S, the destructive bar is set pretty high.
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Why are we trying to compare homosexuality to murder and drug use?
In the beginning God created them male and female...He didn't give Adam a choice...He said, are you lonely Adam? okay, here's a mate for you, someone to give you companionship and intimacy...and I am even going to make this mate for you out of one of your own ribs so that you know she was meant for you. All of her parts fit yours perfectly...you were made for each other. Woman was made for Man. Just because now people have a tendency, or a natural inclination, and are attracted to members of the same sex, doesn't mean that God ever intended it to be that way.
Does anyone remember the story of Noah's son Ham?
In the beginning God created them male and female...He didn't give Adam a choice...He said, are you lonely Adam? okay, here's a mate for you, someone to give you companionship and intimacy...and I am even going to make this mate for you out of one of your own ribs so that you know she was meant for you. All of her parts fit yours perfectly...you were made for each other. Woman was made for Man. Just because now people have a tendency, or a natural inclination, and are attracted to members of the same sex, doesn't mean that God ever intended it to be that way.
Does anyone remember the story of Noah's son Ham?
Because you set the ground rules for what is acceptable when you said "Who am I to draw the line, let the people decide for themselves..." So I am taking it to its logical conclusion. I believe it's a reductio ad absurdum argument, but I never took debate.
I'm not sure how you can call divorce destructive, it fits your criteria for things you don't care about. If two consenting adults can do whatever they want in bed, logically they can choose to stop doing those things also. Now by Christian standards it's generally considered wrong, but we're not going by them.
I'm not sure how you can call divorce destructive, it fits your criteria for things you don't care about. If two consenting adults can do whatever they want in bed, logically they can choose to stop doing those things also. Now by Christian standards it's generally considered wrong, but we're not going by them.
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You realize that reductio ad absurdum is also a fallacy right? I'm comparing it to what you view as destructive.
Perhaps I can make my point through this, one man says its alright to clip his nails, another criticizes him saying you're killing microbacteria whats to stop you from going on a shooting spree at a school? We aren't on the same page here.
Perhaps I can make my point through this, one man says its alright to clip his nails, another criticizes him saying you're killing microbacteria whats to stop you from going on a shooting spree at a school? We aren't on the same page here.
[h=3]I'm assuming you never came across the following scriptures, so just sharing
Leviticus 18:22[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.
[h=3]Romans 1[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
Leviticus 18:22[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.
[h=3]Romans 1[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.