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I should also add that they will take scriptures that are speaking of them that are in Christ (those who have been to the schoolmaster, the law) and claim those scriptures for themselves even though theyve never been to school.
That's a nonsensical statement. All men are schooled by the law.
 

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To sin means you turn back to the law to prove righteousness. This applies only to those who are under the law as whatever the law says it says to those under it, Rom 3:19.
Hence we see in Gal 2:18 that anyone who rebuilds the law for righteousness will make themselves a sinner.

He who sows to the flesh are those I described above, who determine righteousness by deeds of the law.
Well I agree with that assertion and do know this to be true so I have as Paul has left his own righteousness behind as in
[h=3]Philippians 3[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]All for Christ[/h]3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. For me to write the same things to you is not tedious, but for you it is safe.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation! [SUP]3 [/SUP]For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: [SUP]5 [/SUP]circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; [SUP]6 [/SUP]concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ [SUP]9 [/SUP]and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; [SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, [SUP]11 [/SUP]if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
Oh wait a minute yes we do attain this it is found in the resurrection that we do live a new life in Christ yes?
Romans 6:4
We were buried in baptism as Christ was buried in death. As Christ was raised from the dead by the great power of God, so we will have new life also.
 

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I believe our “working out our own salvation” is the realization that once we repent, trouble stops entering our lives.

Jesus shows us how to live. It is up to us to do as he said.
Trouble does not stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[h=3][/h][h=3]John 16:33[/h][h=3]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]33 [/SUP]These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”

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He expects us to do OUR part, also.
Our part is to believe trusting God to do in us what no man could ever do which is perfectly obey the Law as christpointed out so well to all prior to his going to the cross, where he by his death made us clean, took away all sins from Father's point of view he could present us Holy before God, and then God raises us back to life as he already did his son at the resurrection, we are made new in God by Christ, all done for us back at the cross, all we need to do is step out of death and into the new life done for us as a free gift and thus walk in the Spirit of God
Galatians 5:16[ Walking in the Spirit ] I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
 

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But we cannot find lasting peace until we do as he says.
Noone will ever do as he says being in unredeemed bodies here on earth. So please let's stop our works of trying to please Gold and others. rather be pleased by what God has done, then we will walk in the new life he has given us through his Son Jesus
Believe, see, recieve
 

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But my point was, does receiving grace, give us free license to sin? Even after we receive grace, shouldn't we follow what He has commanded (the law)? Like you said(and I also believe it) that we all would have to stand in front of Him one day and give account of our actions (good or bad). So how will we be judged then? If we love Him shouldn't we follow His commandments?
Paul told us that where sin abounds grace doth much more abound. We do not have a license to sin.
Christians are not without the law. Christians are not under the law. Christians are in-lawed to Christ.
The Jews always saw themselves as servants never as sons. Christians now are to see themselves as sons. Servants serve their masters because they are bound to servitude. Sons serve their Father because they love the Father. Our position and our relationship is new in Christ. We now have in place of the law the Holy Spirit who impresses our hearts to live for Christ. We now have the promise that no matter what the temptation our Father will not allow us to be tempted above that which we are able to withstand. He will make a way for us to escape. 1 Cor 10:13 Rom 6:15 The heart that knows Christ as Savior knows that the Lord desires purity and holiness.

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But my point was, does receiving grace, give us free license to sin? Even after we receive grace, shouldn't we follow what He has commanded (the law)? Like you said(and I also believe it) that we all would have to stand in front of Him one day and give account of our actions (good or bad). So how will we be judged then? If we love Him shouldn't we follow His commandments?
The commandment after the cross is LOVE, the two laws of love are the commandments today, we are in a new covenant under a new priesthood, and have the laws of love written on our hearts. Now this is not we have to do. We are at liberty to love as we have never been able to before the cross. God by the resurrection which is ours in the Spirit of God by Christ the Son we are set free from the bondage of sin, and thus love all as God loves us, we forgive all as God has forgiven us. This is what the cross brought to us here today we are looking back in thankfulness, while the Old Testament Saints were looking forward to it where today we enter his courts with thanksgiving and praise as King David was back before looking forward to the day Christ's redemption for all mankind saying
Psalm 100:4Enter into His gates with thanksgiving, And into His courts with praise. Be thankful to Him, and bless His name.

If we allwould just continue to what David looked forward to, there would be no tme toharm our neighbor we would not even fathom it if we give up all of our self made righteousness that we all learned growing up here in this world,each claimiing there way is right,when God's way is the only righteous way and that is to believe on God whom sent Christ to do for us what none of us could ever do for ourselves, Christ is our righteousness period, through him we are saved and get to know Father as he showed us he knows Father and the truth resides in him as he said he is the way, the truth and the life, no other way to Father, not by works or anything we can ever do to to improve on the finished work of God. God did it all at the cross for us, by Christ we are reconciled, so how much more are we saved by his life
God was in the world counting no ones sins against them, reconciling us all in God's sight, therefore what shall we be saved by? Life or death? The resurrection or the death of Christ? Too many are stuck at the death and trying to reproduce what Christ already did and can't, stressed out and frustrated to the point of wanting to give up, please give up so God by Faith in can take over the ship you, me and that see this get out of the way and watch God's smoke in place of our own.
 

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When Jesus began his public ministry in Galilee, his message was: Repent (Mark 1:15).

When Holy Spirit power came upon the early church on the Day of Pentecost and Peter became bold and began to preach, Peter's message was: Repent (Acts 1:38).

As the first century neared its close and the elderly Apostle John was exiled on the island of Patmos, Jesus gave him a message for seven churches and repeatedly, the message for the churches was: Repent (Revelation 2: 5, 21, 22, 3: 3, 19).

Holiness and purity matter. Disciples of Jesus are called to repentance and this is more than a one time event.

The narrow way that leads to life (Matthew 7:14) is a way of hearing and heeding and repentance. If you have ears, please hear.
There are many defintions for the word repent.
I can repent, change my mind and stop smoking correct? Can I start again? I can quit many things in behavior and this is considered repentance right? And all this is worldly yes, of this earth?
Is God of this world? how is God worshipped today, by the Spirit or the flesh?
So I can worldly repent of drinking and quit, stop smoking, stop all kinds of sin, and yet go back or return to any or all as a dog returns to his own vomit right? And all this is flesh behavior right, not Spirit of God behavior is it?
So concludng that true repentance to God is to believe God
believe,see, recieve, once the recieved is done, there is no turning back to the garbage can this world and its ways.
The recieved part is the resurrected life of Christ in the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Ghost, given to us by Father a free gift to us and there is no turning back from this, we have transferred from death to life
Many believe and are on their way only tasting, sampling, not yet come to full maturity, have not yet settled the fact that God just love them and are working very hard to find the truth out, many thus when want to be teachers have need to be taught all over again
[h=3]Hebrews 5:11-6:6[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]of whom we have much to say, and hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing.
[h=3]Spiritual Immaturity[/h][SUP]12[/SUP]For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. [SUP]13[/SUP]For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
[h=3]The Peril of Not Progressing[/h]6 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, [SUP]2 [/SUP]of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And this we will do if God permits.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, [SUP]5 [/SUP]and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, [SUP]6 [/SUP]if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
Christ plain and simply is not coming back to die for sin again over and over as what was done in the Old Testament, he did this once and for all, in order to cleanse you once and for all time so you then by this can be made a new by God through the resurrected Christ

Romans 6:10
For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
Hebrews 7:27who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.
Hebrews 9:12Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
Hebrews 10:10By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

 

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That's a nonsensical statement. All men are schooled by the law.
What law of school is better? The school of Law or the school of the Spirit of truth? yes we all after earth birth are schooled, yet I think there is a differance between flesh school and God's Spirit school don't you?
 

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True, we aren't infallible in this imperfect physical world.
And what I mean by wrong is any wrong behavior we do, which even includes persistent wrongs we might do due to the many varied factors that determine and also affect our weakness/failings.

I don't use the term "sin" as God gives us specific definitions of sin which, if we use them, then we'll understand why scripture says that Christians have "ceased from sin" (1Pet 4:1) and "cannot sin" (1John 3;9).


Who shall lay any thing
(even sin) to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifies. Rom 8:33

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I understand that the sin unto death is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, for which there is no forgiveness.
The sin not unto death is referring to those in unbelief or being tempted to slip back under the law, who still have the possibility to repent and receive Christ and have their sins forgiven.

Anyway, back to my questions.
If a believer does wrong are they unrighteous for doing so?
If so then what is that unrighteousness measured by?
How do you determine righteousness in a Christian?
When John said Christians "cannot sin" he wasn't implying inability to sin for if that was the case we wouldn't need an Advocate (1 John 2:1). It means we won't continually sin because the Spirit of God indwells us working in us to do His will and good pleasure, whereas unregenerates will continue in sin as the eyes of their heart haven't been enlightened to the truth.

Christians are the righteousness of God in Christ.
 
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What law of school is better? The school of Law or the school of the Spirit of truth? yes we all after earth birth are schooled, yet I think there is a differance between flesh school and God's Spirit school don't you?
Of course.
 

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I wonder how many law keepers here on CC keep Kosher? No pork means no bacon. O perish the thought.

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Regarding the law, they practice a selective obedience of convenience.
You would think people would learn from the pharisees. They declared themselves righteous, And people who did not live up to their standard sinners. We are shown, they excused (or ignored) there own sin and became hypocrites.

People trying to preach law are no different. In reality most are excusing their own sin, while judging others..
 

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Regarding the law, they practice a selective obedience of convenience.
the graceof God was and is not ever meant to be taken for granted with just a worldly sorrow, rather a Godly one. It is not an excuse to harm or hurt anyone without Mercy and compassion, ones that recive the truth can't do this as King David before being King sought by King Saul, had the opportunity to kill King Saul and couldn't why?
 

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People trying to preach law are no different. In reality most are excusing their own sin, while judging others..
1 JOHN 2 [1] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. [3] AND HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. [4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Hey John
Do you see what EG is saying about you?

 
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1 JOHN 2 [1] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. [3] AND HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. [4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Hey John
Do you see what EG is saying about you?
Nah. EG is not talking to John. John knew he was still a sinner, And that he was born of God and thus could not live in sin. And that he HAD eternal life, and would spend eternity in heaven..

EG is talking to people Who likes to condemn others for their sinfull ways, But can not see there own sin, and excuses there sin as somehow less sinfull than others. When scripture makes it clear ALL sin is equal in gods eyes..
 

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I wonder how many law keepers here on CC keep Kosher? No pork means no bacon. O perish the thought.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Some of us do eat a clean (kosher means clean) diet...

1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

And where do we find in the Word of God where meats are set apart or sancitifed?

Lev 11 and Deut 14
 

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Some of us do eat a clean (kosher means clean) diet...

1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

And where do we find in the Word of God where meats are set apart or sancitifed?

Lev 11 and Deut 14
Interesting in light of Peter's vision in Joppa per Acts 10 & 11. Further the decision regarding Gentiles where they were not to be burdened with the Jewish laws. Acts 15:19-29

For the cause of Christ
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