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So, while I was in Dubai I met a girl (Abir) who is from Tunisia. I met her twice on my 5 visits, the second was completely by chance and we didn't plan it. We've kept on contact for these last 9 months and I want her to come to America and see me.

We both accept we have feelings for each other, though she is a devout Muslim (not burka or Hijab wearing) and I am a lapsed Catholic. We always joke around about converting one another and the like.

My question is, what is all of you opinions about Christian-Muslim relationships?
 

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Wow!!!!! are you both Human and both have free choice, are dogmatic inj you must be this way or that, is she? If you cur your finger and she cuts hers would either of you bleed a differant color? Do you both have hearts? Can you both love each other unconditionally?
So what does your heart say? Is this the girl you can enjoy as a person, not sexually as what hormones do? so consider the cost if you two do hook up? The both of you, this way ifyou do you are prepared for any consequence others bring to the table.
Bottom line no matter what is love God's type that God gives to all that beleive and this type is found in 1cor 13:4-13
verse 13 to me as I found is the perfection of God given to us by belief whether we are of any sect.
1 Corinthians 13:13And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

You, me and all are free to choose, all things are permissable, yet not all things are beneficial, so beleive God, trust God and hear God in what to do, you will know, and so will she.
Praying for you to hear God in what God wants not man, learn to listen to the hidden man of your new heart placed there the first day you believed
Ephesians 1:13In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
 
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So, while I was in Dubai I met a girl (Abir) who is from Tunisia. I met her twice on my 5 visits, the second was completely by chance and we didn't plan it. We've kept on contact for these last 9 months and I want her to come to America and see me.

We both accept we have feelings for each other, though she is a devout Muslim (not burka or Hijab wearing) and I am a lapsed Catholic. We always joke around about converting one another and the like.

My question is, what is all of you opinions about Christian-Muslim relationships?
I can tell you right now that 99.9% of the replies will say don't be yoked with unbelievers (or unequally yoked). Just a heads-up.

Now if you want to know what christians and muslims have in common, they both believe in the God of Abraham (the one true God) and they both believe in the old testament, but muslims still find it acceptable to stone people. Muslims believe Jesus was indeed a great prophet but not the son of God.

Where they really differ is that muslims believe in the messages that Muhammed claim came from the angel Gabriel. Those messages are the Koran.
 
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I just want to note that people 'Liked' my post before I added the stuff about the muslim beliefs.
 

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truth spoken, which a lot of times takes away and challenges free will, each has their own free will to decide and God has come through christ to live in each of us freeing us to teach us all truth from error. the choice good or bad is yours freely and hers too.
 
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Well here's the situation. As I said she is a devout Muslim. In Islam, women are not allowed to marry non-Muslim. Though, if we would, it would be in America (a place she's never been) and her family would probably disown her once they found out.

On my side, I would want to get married through the Catholic Church (she already agreed that if anything did happen wed have two weddings, one Catholic in America and one Muslim in Tunisia if at all possible). Her faith dictates she would have to raise any children Muslim. To get married by the Church we have to promise to raise any children Catholic.

It's kind of just a mess. I honestly don't care if we raise any children Christian or Muslim as long as they are aware of each of our cultures and religions and can make their own minds when they are older.
 
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[SUP]Listen, I think some of the posts above me are INcorrect. And I base it off scripture.

[/SUP]1 Corinthians 13:6
Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.


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Love rejoices with truth. So, if we truly value love than we should know that love accepts and is happy with truth. And the truth is your not to be with an unbeliever.


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2 Corinthians 6:14-18


[SUP]14 [/SUP]Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? [SUP]15 [/SUP]And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? [SUP]1[/SUP]

I have heard that these verses directly tackle the bond of marriage. Basically, I remember people saying that these verses are talking about marriage.

I'm not a bible scholar or know a lot but from what I understand for sure is that these verses are talking about some kind of bond/fellowship. What I'm about to say is just my opinion but it's an opinion with prudence and I think will cover any or most possibilities of me being wrong and I think its your answer.

Here's what I think...


[SUP]So, by reading 2 Corinthians 6;14-18, you know that being in a strong bond with unbelievers is something you shouldn't have. That being said, we can safely say that the strongest bond between two people (marriage) is not something we should practice with unbelievers.

THIS ALONE is all you need to know the answer to your question. You shouldn't marry an unbeliever.



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I know she's something special because its her faith in Islam that is spurring on my new-found search for Christianity. It's like I want to have faith for her, just not an Islamic faith.
 
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I know she's something special because its her faith in Islam that is spurring on my new-found search for Christianity. It's like I want to have faith for her, just not an Islamic faith.
Then you need to be schooled about your own beliefs because your inspiration shouldn't be from other people... but because of God. Or plausibly from other Christians because of God dwelling in them though.

I strongly recommend you get yourself a Pastor to explain a lot more to you. It sounds like your a new Christian.

Remember this scripture...

Zechariah 4:6

So he said to me, "This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel: 'Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,' says the LORD Almighty


Its by his spirit.

So, why did you gain interest in the Christian faith? Could you tell me your story about how you converted?
 
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2 Corinthians 6:14-15

[SUP]14 [/SUP]Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? [SUP]15 [/SUP]And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?

This scripture doesn't just cover marriage. It covers all relationships. And yes, others will post it, because it's true.
 
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This is a better verse to show you what I'm trying to say...

John 15:4

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.


We can't bear fruit... or in other words, we can't do good things unless its through him. Hence, when we abide in God we bear fruit and if we don't abide in him, we can't bear fruit.
 
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Then you need to be schooled about your own beliefs because your inspiration shouldn't be from other people... but because of God. Or plausibly from other Christians because of God dwelling in them though.

I strongly recommend you get yourself a Pastor to explain a lot more to you. It sounds like your a new Christian.

Remember this scripture...

Zechariah 4:6

So he said to me, "This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel: 'Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,' says the LORD Almighty


Its by his spirit.

So, why did you gain interest in the Christian faith? Could you tell me your story about how you converted?
I was baptized as raised Catholic. I've had spots if increased activity but always fall away again. The only time I ever "felt" anything spiritual was when I witnessed a Tridentine Mass at Notre Dame in '09. Ever since that experience I've been searching for that feeling.

Though, what if my rejuvenated search for faith through this "unbeliever" is simply a way God is using to get me to search for him? The most inspirational figure in my life (St. Augustine of Hippo) was born in Carthage and this girl lives in Tunis, previously Carthage. I don't know, maybe I'm forming connections where there are none, but that is how I feel.

I've attended both Roman Rite and Byzantine Rite Mass and that's really the extent of my religiosity beyond personal reading.
 

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do yourself a favor -> save yourself from trouble. it is not so easy as you think-to marry someone who does not share same beliefs.
 
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do yourself a favor -> save yourself from trouble. it is not so easy as you think-to marry someone who does not share same beliefs.
I'm well aware of this. First I need to worry about how to get her to America from Tunisia or Romania (where she's going to go to University). Haha. The religion part is only half the concern.
 

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I know she's something special because its her faith in Islam that is spurring on my new-found search for Christianity. It's like I want to have faith for her, just not an Islamic faith.
Brother,I see a deep love in you, for all, and am pleased very much to see this. Now you are wanting to please all as much as possible, on both sides, two marriages out of deep respect, Been through this over customs of who gives away the Daughter. My first marriage was this, her Dad was past away, and her grandfather was by tradition to give her away, and the grandparents refused when I by tradition asked for her hand, their consent and they said no. So we were getting Married anyway, so her step father stepped up to the plate. Being brought up to please is a facade. The grand parents came around and the ____________________________________ hit the fan, stress in trying to please all, ended up in deceit, got married twice first in Reno where her granddaddy gave her away and then a week later where her stepdaddy did the same. The week before the Mom and Step Dad knew nothing of.
So at the original wedding that was a week after we had already been Married, the Grandparents attended in ha! ha! little do you know the Mom that we are already married. And the Mom smearking at the grandparents Ha! Ha! you are not giving her away. all this in spite to each other.
Who's wedding was this? theirs or ours? Hope you learn from this if you two do decide to get married, you both would have to agree that it is your wedding, not the Muslim Church, nor the Catholic Church's
Yours' the two of you. You two are young having much to learn as I wasd back then too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Again it is yuor alls wedding and no one else's, you two would have to live the rest of your life's together. One of the Vows' taht is said is "Forsaking all others", so you both consider this, this is not saying to forsake God, all others. So you again decide and ask God in your hearts both of you. I have now been togather with my significant other fro 30 years with both good tmes and bad, but have forsaken all others that would interfer with this marriage bound togather by God. I have had others intervene and try, on both sides and have had a many heart-ache, but as well many a good tmes too! but I do nlot judge this nor keep a tally over whether one outweighs the other either.
We both know we are honest with each other no matter what we hide nolthing from each other, therefore we can make sound descisions concerning what is best for each other together, not seperate
There is a lot to consider in not being led by your Hormones. PLease both of you do not give up waht you need in the long run for what you both think you need at the moment
Sometimes jumping out of the fryinig pan lands in the fire, so no matter waht descision you both make stick together in it and if can't be friends only, out of love from God who loves all
 

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I'm well aware of this. First I need to worry about how to get her to America from Tunisia or Romania (where she's going to go to University). Haha. The religion part is only half the concern.
Do you realize the can of worms this is opening? Both of you, the cost is big. I am in prayer for the both of you
Thanks for asking about this
 

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I was baptized as raised Catholic. I've had spots if increased activity but always fall away again. The only time I ever "felt" anything spiritual was when I witnessed a Tridentine Mass at Notre Dame in '09. Ever since that experience I've been searching for that feeling.

Though, what if my rejuvenated search for faith through this "unbeliever" is simply a way God is using to get me to search for him? The most inspirational figure in my life (St. Augustine of Hippo) was born in Carthage and this girl lives in Tunis, previously Carthage. I don't know, maybe I'm forming connections where there are none, but that is how I feel.

I've attended both Roman Rite and Byzantine Rite Mass and that's really the extent of my religiosity beyond personal reading.
continue, to seek to know the God of all creation, that contentment that is found in and through the Son of Christ, where as Paul said no one can seperate me from the Love of God, not this world, not any calamity absolutely nothing

  1. Romans 8:35
    Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
    Romans 8:34-36 (in Context) Romans 8 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
  2. Romans 8:39nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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I was baptized as raised Catholic. I've had spots if increased activity but always fall away again. The only time I ever "felt" anything spiritual was when I witnessed a Tridentine Mass at Notre Dame in '09. Ever since that experience I've been searching for that feeling.

Though, what if my rejuvenated search for faith through this "unbeliever" is simply a way God is using to get me to search for him? The most inspirational figure in my life (St. Augustine of Hippo) was born in Carthage and this girl lives in Tunis, previously Carthage. I don't know, maybe I'm forming connections where there are none, but that is how I feel.

I've attended both Roman Rite and Byzantine Rite Mass and that's really the extent of my religiosity beyond personal reading.
I sorta understand. The only thing that I can relate with is that growing up... I've always felt like God was watching me.

Anyways, I think based on what you've told me I'm almost certain your NOT a Christian. So, I'll tell you what you need to know.

Every Christian, practically universally would understand the process of becoming a Christian. The first step may be the most important step. That step is accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior. This is how you become a Christian.

You mentioned baptism but you didn't mention you accepting Jesus as your Lord (Master/King) and your savior (Hero)

Baptism won't save you, although you will find some people claiming it's necessary to be saved, all Christians universally agree that you HAVE to accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior.

The reason why you must accept Jesus is because of the state of the mankind. It all started with Adam and Eve. God created good human beings. Human beings without ANY flaws. However, mankind had free-will and Adam and Eve (mankind) used that fee-will to disobey God. To go against TRUTH, LOVE, JUSTICE... to go against God. And God warned them before that that if they took from the forbidden fruit that they will surely die. And they did... first spiritually... and then later with time, physically.

This was the beginning of our ugly world. Our world, where people lie, steal, murder, speak profanity, lust, greed... etc. Its our fault that our world is in the state it is. This answers the question of, "Why is there evil in the world?" To them I say, look in the mirror, that's why. Its obviously true that we are accountable for either all or a great deal (considering the devil will take a piece of the blame) of the evil in the world.

Moving on, God has a Justice system. This justice system basically says, if you did any evil then you deserve death. (and hell) This is how high God's standards are. To God, good means perfection. To humanity, good means... being okay with some or a lot of evil.


Romans 3:20

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.


So, let's go through God's law. (I copied and pasted and 6-9 look awkward but I didn't do it on purpose. It just happened.)

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image

3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain;

4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy

5. Honour thy father and thy mother:

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6. Thou shalt not kill.
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[TD]7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
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[TD]8. Thou shalt not steal.
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[TD]9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
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10. Thou shalt not covet


So, when you go through these laws. We come to realize that we have broken some or a lot of them and that's a huge deal. Because from God's perspective we have done GREAT evil. This why we are all found guilty and deserve death and hell. This is why ALL of mankind is actually EVIL... not mostly good as the society and generally the media may portray us.

Its a tough pill to swallow but this how it is. So, what next?

The point is next. This is where Jesus comes in. This is why Jesus had to come here to earth. Jesus is God. And God had to come here to earth so that HE could accomplish doing the ten commandments. So, that God can truly be a good man. A perfect man. And all this for our sake. Because we couldn't do it. However, although he has accomplished being a good man for us....someone still has to pay for all the sins of mankind. And its this reason why God (Jesus) sacrificed himself on the cross. So that God's sacrifice would be sufficient to cover that debt. The debt of all mankind's sins and evils. God died so that you can be redeemed.

This is why Jesus Christ is to be accepted as LORD and SAVIOR, king and hero.

I'd recommend you just say it out loud and consciously... and just tell God you understand and you want to accept him as your Lord and Savior.
 
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I sorta understand. The only thing that I can relate with is that growing up... I've always felt like God was watching me.

Anyways, I think based on what you've told me I'm almost certain your NOT a Christian. So, I'll tell you what you need to know.

Every Christian, practically universally would understand the process of becoming a Christian. The first step may be the most important step. That step is accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior. This is how you become a Christian.

You mentioned baptism but you didn't mention you accepting Jesus as your Lord (Master/King) and your savior (Hero)

Baptism won't save you, although you will find some people claiming it's necessary to be saved, all Christians universally agree that you HAVE to accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior.

The reason why you must accept Jesus is because of the state of the mankind. It all started with Adam and Eve. God created good human beings. Human beings without ANY flaws. However, mankind had free-will and Adam and Eve (mankind) used that fee-will to disobey God. To go against TRUTH, LOVE, JUSTICE... to go against God. And God warned them before that that if they took from the forbidden fruit that they will surely die. And they did... first spiritually... and then later with time, physically.

This was the beginning of our ugly world. Our world, where people lie, steal, murder, speak profanity, lust, greed... etc. Its our fault that our world is in the state it is. This answers the question of, "Why is there evil in the world?" To them I say, look in the mirror, that's why. Its obviously true that we are accountable for either all or a great deal (considering the devil will take a piece of the blame) of the evil in the world.

Moving on, God has a Justice system. This justice system basically says, if you did any evil then you deserve death. (and hell) This is how high God's standards are. To God, good means perfection. To humanity, good means... being okay with some or a lot of evil.


Romans 3:20

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.


So, let's go through God's law. (I copied and pasted and 6-9 look awkward but I didn't do it on purpose. It just happened.)

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image

3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain;

4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy

5. Honour thy father and thy mother:

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6. Thou shalt not kill.
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[TD]7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
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[TD]8. Thou shalt not steal.
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[TD]9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
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10. Thou shalt not covet


So, when you go through these laws. We come to realize that we have broken some or a lot of them and that's a huge deal. Because from God's perspective we have done GREAT evil. This why we are all found guilty and deserve death and hell. This is why ALL of mankind is actually EVIL... not mostly good as the society and generally the media may portray us.

Its a tough pill to swallow but this how it is. So, what next?

The point is next. This is where Jesus comes in. This is why Jesus had to come here to earth. Jesus is God. And God had to come here to earth so that HE could accomplish doing the ten commandments. So, that God can truly be a good man. A perfect man. And all this for our sake. Because we couldn't do it. However, although he has accomplished being a good man for us....someone still has to pay for all the sins of mankind. And its this reason why God (Jesus) sacrificed himself on the cross. So that God's sacrifice would be sufficient to cover that debt. The debt of all mankind's sins and evils. God died so that you can be redeemed.

This is why Jesus Christ is to be accepted as LORD and SAVIOR, king and hero.

I'd recommend you just say it out loud and consciously... and just tell God you understand and you want to accept him as your Lord and Savior.
Agreed, I wouldn't necessarily call myself a Christian right now. I'm simply not ready to. When the time is right, I may; when I feel an undying compulsion to I most assuredly will. I can promise you with that. For right now though, I am searching. I'm 21, nothing in my life is absolute and the only sure thing I have is this girl 10,000 miles away. I don't know. Woe is my life. Haha.

As far as 'accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour', that is a wholly Protestant notion. I have no real interest in Protestantism. I do have an appointment with the Catholic Chaplain on my ship Wednesday. When I meet with him I'm going to discuss a lot of this with him (the marriage deal, the lapsed catholic deal, etc.).

While I was deployed I talked a lot with a non-denominational Chaplain when I was feeling down. He was a cool guy, though always seemed to try and be nudging me away from Catholicism. Which I didn't appreciate.

I appreciate the advice, if you want to continue this conversation send me a personal message. I really would prefer to avoid having this thread derailed and sent off into a completely different direction. I hope you understand.
 
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It seems your only "liking" the posts that condone this relationship.

A devout Muslim and a catholic

That's the worst idea ever. Do you really want her family to disown her? If the two of you have children they won't know their grandparents, and i KNOW she is going to want her family involved with her kids.
This has not been thought through, this is two young people with a lot of hormones about to make a very foolish decision.