Meh...one can’t even understand what is being said. Sorry but I’d rather listen to a song that is actually meaningful than high-pitched growling.
Rock Music - It Kills - Another good & informative article by Terry Watkins
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the lyrics are perfectly clear ive never had a problem understanding. i guess according to chosen its probably because i speak the 'satanic language' of rock and roll or something
Yeah the spirit of Satan is all over Rock & Roll, and you can just discern that fact, especially if one studies the physical appearances of the wicked reprobate Marilyn Manson. And also when you observe the devilsh acts which Marilyn Manson has performed on stage at his concerts (i.e. cutting himself and drinking his own blood on stage). Marilyn Manson has also been seen to rip apart Bibles while cursing God during his rock concerts.
Therefore, Marilyn Manson is definitely under devil possession. Also, look at what this wicked, hell Bound reprobate said:
"Hopefully, I’ll be remembered as the person who brought an end to Christianity." - Marilyn Manson (Spin, August 1996, p. 34)
Hence; Marilyn Manson, who is considered a rock star, is definitely one of the most blatant, anti-Christ performers to come out in recent years (1989 - present).
Now as for the rock n' roll music itself; there was a study done by Bryan Denlinger and he documented what a music specialist (Rodney H. Mill) had said about rock & roll. And basically what Rodney Mill had said was this:
"The idiom 'rock & roll' was an idiom formed in the 1950s from the fusion of its two alternates (Blues and Country Western music)."
Rodney also had stated that: "rock n' roll' is a euphemism for illicit sexual intercourse." And it is important to note and emphasize that this man who said this about rock n' roll was not a Independent fundamental Baptist preacher, but he was a secular man. He was a former Music Specialist at the Libraury of Congress. So that's just a brief part of the history of the term "rock n' roll," it was a slang term for fornication. And rock n' roll came from the occult. It came from African voodooism. And voodooism is basically pagan dance music and rituals used for the purpose of getting in contact with devils. And the very roots of rock n' roll first got settled in New Orleans during the first decade of the twentieth century.
Also Dslayer, you can verify this information by seeing if your local libraury has this book: Inside Rock Music - by Vance Ferrel.
But here is a good video Dslayer, where Jeff Godwin talks about the whole rock n' roll phenomenon and makes some really good points.
[video=youtube;UVPTJ7z6R2w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVPTJ7z6R2w[/video]
And finally; here are what rock n' rollers say about their very own music, and notice how blunt and honest they are about the meaning of the music they play:
"Our music is capable of causing emotional instability, disorganized behavior, rebellion and even revolution." ...'The Beatles'
"The throbbing beat of rock provides a vital sexual release for adolescent audiences."...Jan Berry
"Pop music is sex, and you have to hit them in the face with it."...Andrew Oldham (recording manager for the 'Rolling Stones')
"I'm in rock music for the sex and narcotics."...Glenn Frey of 'The Eagles'
"Rock 'n' roll is 99% sex."...John Oates
"Everyone takes it for granted that rock and roll is synonymous with sex."...Chris Stein, lead guitarist with 'Blondie.'
"Rock music is sex. The beat matches the body rhythms."...Frank Zappa, superstar of 'Mothers of Invention' fame.
Now let's see what others have said about rock n' roll music:
"You cannot take sex out of rock and roll or rhythm and blues. True, the quality of the mixture spans a wide range."—Kathleen Sullivan, quoted in Martha Bayles, Hole in Our Soul, p. 349.
"In a sense, all rock is revolutionary. By its beat and sound, it has always implicitly rejected restraint and celebrated freedom and sexuality."—Time magazine, January 3, 1969.
"Rock 'n' roll: A general term with sexual implications, as rocking 'n' rolling, originally meant fornicating. It has been used to cover many styles and types of music since the early 50s."—Robert Fink and Robert Ricci, The Language of 20th Century Music.
"A mother who calls herself a 'rock freak' says, 'I am concerned about the number of hit tunes that can only be called porn rock, and about the tasteless, graphic and gratuitous sexuality saturating the airwaves and filtering into our homes.' "—Newsweek, "My Turn," May 6, 1985.
"Rock music has one appeal only, a barbaric appeal to sexual desire—not to a pure, unselfish love, but sexual desire undeveloped and untutored. It acknowledges the first emanations of children's emerging sensuality and addresses them seriously . . Young people know that rock has the beat of sexual intercourse."—Dr. Allan Bloom, Closing of the American Mind.
"Rock bands have responded vigorously to the difficult challenge of how to shock the already numb. You can see how the dial has been turned up just by looking at the names of current rock bands. Vulgar or sexual band names used to be ambiguous or hidden . . Now there are at least 13 bands named after the male genitals."—U.S. News and World Report, March 19, 1990.
"In Alexander City, Alabama, record-store owner Tommy Hammond knew that some parents in town didn't have much patience for foul mouths and dirty minds. He'd sell the raunchy rock and rap albums, but he always kept them behind the counter, out of public view . . Johnson [the store-owner's attorney] argues that raunchy sexual language has always been a vital element of rock music."—Newsweek, Justice Section, October 16, 1989.
So this "Christian" rock phenomena is indefensible. There is no such thing as "Christian" rock. None at all. Especially after seeing what rock n' roll refers to. And any Christian that defends the rock music industry or the modern "Christian" rock movement is living in sin.
Therefore, Marilyn Manson is definitely under devil possession. Also, look at what this wicked, hell Bound reprobate said:
"Hopefully, I’ll be remembered as the person who brought an end to Christianity." - Marilyn Manson (Spin, August 1996, p. 34)
Hence; Marilyn Manson, who is considered a rock star, is definitely one of the most blatant, anti-Christ performers to come out in recent years (1989 - present).
Now as for the rock n' roll music itself; there was a study done by Bryan Denlinger and he documented what a music specialist (Rodney H. Mill) had said about rock & roll. And basically what Rodney Mill had said was this:
"The idiom 'rock & roll' was an idiom formed in the 1950s from the fusion of its two alternates (Blues and Country Western music)."
Rodney also had stated that: "rock n' roll' is a euphemism for illicit sexual intercourse." And it is important to note and emphasize that this man who said this about rock n' roll was not a Independent fundamental Baptist preacher, but he was a secular man. He was a former Music Specialist at the Libraury of Congress. So that's just a brief part of the history of the term "rock n' roll," it was a slang term for fornication. And rock n' roll came from the occult. It came from African voodooism. And voodooism is basically pagan dance music and rituals used for the purpose of getting in contact with devils. And the very roots of rock n' roll first got settled in New Orleans during the first decade of the twentieth century.
Also Dslayer, you can verify this information by seeing if your local libraury has this book: Inside Rock Music - by Vance Ferrel.
But here is a good video Dslayer, where Jeff Godwin talks about the whole rock n' roll phenomenon and makes some really good points.
[video=youtube;UVPTJ7z6R2w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVPTJ7z6R2w[/video]
And finally; here are what rock n' rollers say about their very own music, and notice how blunt and honest they are about the meaning of the music they play:
"Our music is capable of causing emotional instability, disorganized behavior, rebellion and even revolution." ...'The Beatles'
"The throbbing beat of rock provides a vital sexual release for adolescent audiences."...Jan Berry
"Pop music is sex, and you have to hit them in the face with it."...Andrew Oldham (recording manager for the 'Rolling Stones')
"I'm in rock music for the sex and narcotics."...Glenn Frey of 'The Eagles'
"Rock 'n' roll is 99% sex."...John Oates
"Everyone takes it for granted that rock and roll is synonymous with sex."...Chris Stein, lead guitarist with 'Blondie.'
"Rock music is sex. The beat matches the body rhythms."...Frank Zappa, superstar of 'Mothers of Invention' fame.
Now let's see what others have said about rock n' roll music:
"You cannot take sex out of rock and roll or rhythm and blues. True, the quality of the mixture spans a wide range."—Kathleen Sullivan, quoted in Martha Bayles, Hole in Our Soul, p. 349.
"In a sense, all rock is revolutionary. By its beat and sound, it has always implicitly rejected restraint and celebrated freedom and sexuality."—Time magazine, January 3, 1969.
"Rock 'n' roll: A general term with sexual implications, as rocking 'n' rolling, originally meant fornicating. It has been used to cover many styles and types of music since the early 50s."—Robert Fink and Robert Ricci, The Language of 20th Century Music.
"A mother who calls herself a 'rock freak' says, 'I am concerned about the number of hit tunes that can only be called porn rock, and about the tasteless, graphic and gratuitous sexuality saturating the airwaves and filtering into our homes.' "—Newsweek, "My Turn," May 6, 1985.
"Rock music has one appeal only, a barbaric appeal to sexual desire—not to a pure, unselfish love, but sexual desire undeveloped and untutored. It acknowledges the first emanations of children's emerging sensuality and addresses them seriously . . Young people know that rock has the beat of sexual intercourse."—Dr. Allan Bloom, Closing of the American Mind.
"Rock bands have responded vigorously to the difficult challenge of how to shock the already numb. You can see how the dial has been turned up just by looking at the names of current rock bands. Vulgar or sexual band names used to be ambiguous or hidden . . Now there are at least 13 bands named after the male genitals."—U.S. News and World Report, March 19, 1990.
"In Alexander City, Alabama, record-store owner Tommy Hammond knew that some parents in town didn't have much patience for foul mouths and dirty minds. He'd sell the raunchy rock and rap albums, but he always kept them behind the counter, out of public view . . Johnson [the store-owner's attorney] argues that raunchy sexual language has always been a vital element of rock music."—Newsweek, Justice Section, October 16, 1989.
So this "Christian" rock phenomena is indefensible. There is no such thing as "Christian" rock. None at all. Especially after seeing what rock n' roll refers to. And any Christian that defends the rock music industry or the modern "Christian" rock movement is living in sin.
HMM seems to me you left out all that so called "good" classical music above. Something just for you Chosen. (I think it fits could be wrong)
Read more: PETRA - WITCH HUNT LYRICS
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Everybody look, there's a new bandwagon in town
Hop on board and let the wind carry you around
Seems like there's not enough to keep us busy till the Lord comes back
Don Quixote's gotta have another windmill to attack
Another witch hunt looking for evil wherever we can find it
Off on a tangent, hope the Lord won't mind it
Another witch hunt, takin' a break from all our gospel labor
On a crusade but we forgot our saber
There's a new way to spend all our energies
[ From: PETRA - WITCH HUNT LYRICS ]
We're up in arms instead of down on our knees
Walkin' over dollars trying to find another dime
Never mind the souls 'cause we really haven't got the time
So send out the dogs and tally ho
Before we sleep tonight we've got miles to go
No one is safe, no stone's left unturned
And we won't stop until somebody gets burned
Bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, brothers
Read more: PETRA - WITCH HUNT LYRICS
I did not mean to overlook it Sarah. I did read what you posted about the Classical music and the violin as well as that one lady Rachel Barton, who was studying the instrument's diabolical image. I must say Sarah, I have never thought that was what the image of the violin represented, but just as I hope this thread has helped to open your eyes in regard to the rock music issue, what you shared sure opened my eyes to the darker side of classical instrumental music. The devil sure is subtil. But just to let you know Sarah, I mainly listen to the Good Old Hymns. I do not listen to too much classical music. The only classical music I really ever get to hear is the classical music that is played when I stop in the Organic supermarket to pick up a few things. Other than that, I just always heard about how classical music helped with the temporary enhancement of brain function. So thanks for what you shared on the violin. Also, have you ever seen this website Sarah?
Classical Music: A Path to the Devil
So again, I was not overlooking what you posted in regard to classical music. But I was addressing first the rock n' roll music and showing how it cannot be defended.
I have considered what you posted Sarah in regard to the classical music, and I will be sure to look more into it. But I also want to exhort you Sarah to study further this issue of "Christian" rock and to seriously seek the Lord in prayer about it. Because again, there is no such thing as "Christian" rock. And that is just the truth. We are to worship the Lord in spirit and in truth (John 4:24).
19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; - Ephesians 5:19 (Holy Bible)
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. - Colossians 3:16 (Holy Bible)
Classical Music: A Path to the Devil
So again, I was not overlooking what you posted in regard to classical music. But I was addressing first the rock n' roll music and showing how it cannot be defended.
I have considered what you posted Sarah in regard to the classical music, and I will be sure to look more into it. But I also want to exhort you Sarah to study further this issue of "Christian" rock and to seriously seek the Lord in prayer about it. Because again, there is no such thing as "Christian" rock. And that is just the truth. We are to worship the Lord in spirit and in truth (John 4:24).
19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; - Ephesians 5:19 (Holy Bible)
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. - Colossians 3:16 (Holy Bible)
I agree we are to worship in spirit and truth and a lot of rock music is just plain nasty stuff. (Been there) Two of favorite groups were Pink Floyd and the Moody Blues. (Never did like the Rolling Stones or the Beetles) If you knew my whole testimony of where I have been you might understand why this music means so much to me. I had been in some very deep and dark places. The Lord has used this music in my life,if you saw me 30 years ago you would not recognize me. He has brought me that far. This past year I gave a contemperary Christian radio station because they were playing too many "Jesus is my boy friend" "Jesus is my home boy",cheap shallow and feeble garbage that is just plain dead. There is no life to it.
If the message is not there I just won't listen to it. Again it goes back to discernment. (By the way even though I do listen to it I couldn't understand that song Nautilus uploaded either.)
T
this is just plain silly....and senseless. The original post suggests that there are more suicides since the 50's and that has to be the musics fault??? Seriously?? Are cars demonic, because since the 50's car accidents are sky rocketing out of control???!!!Since the 50's hearing damage is up 250%, maybe satan is attacking our hearing via headphone use???
As a professional musician there is good and bad music on both sides of the fence. Some songs just plain stink. But they are an expression of the artist. Just like poems,and paintings and photography and dance and every other expressive art form......if you don't like the expression don't listen to it. Buy another recording but don't paint it with the Satan brush....that's just plain ridiculous. Planes aren't evil because they sometimes crash and kill the passengers, those who died in the crash were not influenced by the temptation of flying and fell to its pressures.....you see where I'm going here?
Here's the beauty of it all, if you don't like something don't listen to it. If you feel the Beatles were trying to lure you to Satan then YOU should avoid the Beatles at all costs (and perhaps seek a good Christian Councillor), but if it doesn't bug you go nuts! If it doesn't cause you to stumble ,enjoy. If you think that a friend might be lured to Satan by your actions then check your actions,but don't blame music for people taking their own lives....or the Devils use of said music....
Since the 50's common sense usage has declined by 3000%. Claiming to be a truth teller or holder of the truth doesn't give you the right to be rude with others.....who was it that said "All you need is love?"
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Who could it be? Could it be SAAAATTTTAAAANNN???? ......The Church Lady
As a professional musician there is good and bad music on both sides of the fence. Some songs just plain stink. But they are an expression of the artist. Just like poems,and paintings and photography and dance and every other expressive art form......if you don't like the expression don't listen to it. Buy another recording but don't paint it with the Satan brush....that's just plain ridiculous. Planes aren't evil because they sometimes crash and kill the passengers, those who died in the crash were not influenced by the temptation of flying and fell to its pressures.....you see where I'm going here?
Here's the beauty of it all, if you don't like something don't listen to it. If you feel the Beatles were trying to lure you to Satan then YOU should avoid the Beatles at all costs (and perhaps seek a good Christian Councillor), but if it doesn't bug you go nuts! If it doesn't cause you to stumble ,enjoy. If you think that a friend might be lured to Satan by your actions then check your actions,but don't blame music for people taking their own lives....or the Devils use of said music....
Since the 50's common sense usage has declined by 3000%. Claiming to be a truth teller or holder of the truth doesn't give you the right to be rude with others.....who was it that said "All you need is love?"
The Machine
Who could it be? Could it be SAAAATTTTAAAANNN???? ......The Church Lady
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God does not direct us by telling us every step we are to take, and when he does direct our exact steps he expects us to discern the God principles behind that instruction.
The principle behind rock music is its appeal to our physical sense, our fleshly sense. It can be adjusted to a hypnotic repeat of an idea such as "I love Jesus" etc. but it still uses the physical sense of a beat.
Music composed in the time of Bach or Mozart used a different principle to reach us, just as music composed a hundred years afterwards like Rimsky-Korsakof appealed differently. The appeal was more intellectual, and often it was worshipful even.
The way that The Lord's Prayer put to music appeals to us is completely different than Hard Rock Hymns. There is some of individual reactions, and individual composers within the groups, but in each group is a principle. I think the principle of the solid physical beat to express love of the Lord just isn't right. God loves action and doing, but a repetitious drum beat is not God kind of action.
I can understand how the young, active person would feel no worship in a slow, solemn "Rock of Ages". It would only make them impatient, with wanting to lets get up and do for the Lord, not sit here mournfully! But hard rock, beat of the drums, no thinking just repeat a beat, is not the doing for the Lord.
The principle behind rock music is its appeal to our physical sense, our fleshly sense. It can be adjusted to a hypnotic repeat of an idea such as "I love Jesus" etc. but it still uses the physical sense of a beat.
Music composed in the time of Bach or Mozart used a different principle to reach us, just as music composed a hundred years afterwards like Rimsky-Korsakof appealed differently. The appeal was more intellectual, and often it was worshipful even.
The way that The Lord's Prayer put to music appeals to us is completely different than Hard Rock Hymns. There is some of individual reactions, and individual composers within the groups, but in each group is a principle. I think the principle of the solid physical beat to express love of the Lord just isn't right. God loves action and doing, but a repetitious drum beat is not God kind of action.
I can understand how the young, active person would feel no worship in a slow, solemn "Rock of Ages". It would only make them impatient, with wanting to lets get up and do for the Lord, not sit here mournfully! But hard rock, beat of the drums, no thinking just repeat a beat, is not the doing for the Lord.
T
Here's a fun fact. I'm sure Red Tent might even remember the days when a piano was seen as the Devils instrument because it was found in Honky Tonks and Bars. The churches did not want pianos in them because they were found in these awful places.Now a days you would be hard pressed to find a church without a piano.....I'm sure the first churches to put pianos in them had to listen to ridiculous claims like those being said on here about Christian Music, and today they just seem silly.
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And when the night is cloudy, there is still a light that shines on me..................The Beatles
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And when the night is cloudy, there is still a light that shines on me..................The Beatles
If only traditional music is spiritual why don't we still use the same instruments and lyrics that they used when the church was first founded?
Your meaning isn't clear, and I guess mine isn't, either. Do you mean to say that God uses rock music? I am questioning that, not making a statement that God can't. God uses our physical understanding to explain the spiritual quite often, for instance the wind to explain the spirit. I am not understanding how the beat, beat, beat of rock can relate to the spiritual and wondering how this can be.
Can you explain how any of the songs I posted do not praise God or point us to Him? So are you saying that you have no scriptures to back it up,but you're basing it on subjective taste in music? I am understanding that right? Does God tell us what style of music to use? Does He tell us it needs to be in 4/4,3/4 but not 6/8 time? Does He tell us not to use drums? Does He tell us not to use a guitar? Or does the Bible say make a joyful NOISE unto the Lord?
Now about this one
Now about this one
Psalm 150
1 Praise the Lord.[a]
Praise God in his sanctuary;
praise him in his mighty heavens.
2 Praise him for his acts of power;
praise him for his surpassing greatness.
3 Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet,
praise him with the harp and lyre,
4 praise him with timbrel and dancing,
praise him with the strings and pipe,
5 praise him with the clash of cymbals,
praise him with resounding cymbals.
6 Let everything that has breath praise the Lord.
Praise the Lord.
1 Praise the Lord.[a]
Praise God in his sanctuary;
praise him in his mighty heavens.
2 Praise him for his acts of power;
praise him for his surpassing greatness.
3 Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet,
praise him with the harp and lyre,
4 praise him with timbrel and dancing,
praise him with the strings and pipe,
5 praise him with the clash of cymbals,
praise him with resounding cymbals.
6 Let everything that has breath praise the Lord.
Praise the Lord.
T
RedTent, you're a very wise woman but in regards to music, you come from a different generation. You can't possibly understand our views on this and we can't fully understand yours. But the devil and his creeps can't create anything, only distort and corrupt. God created all music types through the people he created, to be used for his glory. Not all did, but all music can and should be used to glorify his name.
T
Music IS an incredibly powerful tool. God uses it, Satan uses, and pretty much anyone else with a message to get across - good or bad - uses it. It's an uncomfortable thought, though. And I can understand why people would baulk at the idea. I don't like it either. But if repetition is the mother of learning, Satan's got a pretty effective weapon in rock music. I got a song stuck in my head yesterday, not even a rock song. But catchy. Extremely catchy. And the content? Entirely about a murder. And I couldn't get the tune or the lyrics out my head. I hope I've learned my lesson. I can name at least 4 songs I like, one of which I even learned to play on the piano (a rock song) that mentions or is entirely concerned with suicide or murder. I don't count The Ultimate Showdown xD
Sometimes I catch myself singing them, and try to stop. But I can't get the lyrics out of my head! I've quit listening to those. Point being, even if you don't think you're being effected by the music… are those lyrics sitting in your brain, stagnating and stewing?
Philippians 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
And to those of you objecting to the concept of music being able to drive you to suicide: you obviously haven't tried Justin Bieber.
Sometimes I catch myself singing them, and try to stop. But I can't get the lyrics out of my head! I've quit listening to those. Point being, even if you don't think you're being effected by the music… are those lyrics sitting in your brain, stagnating and stewing?
Philippians 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
And to those of you objecting to the concept of music being able to drive you to suicide: you obviously haven't tried Justin Bieber.