Keep The Commandments

Powemm · Jul 2, 2013

Christ being perfected in us "is the one who obeys them" , He is the strength in wich we are able too. As we yield to Him as our Lord and Master He is able to accomoplish all that is not yet perfected in us . in and of ourselves ? We can not do anything to follow them .. Thats the differemce in walking by flesh and walking in the Spirit .. Jesus is the authority we have been given and by whom we are able .

zone · Jul 2, 2013

Grandpa said:

You don't obey God in your flesh. Your flesh has other ideas.

If you are concerned about "good behavior" you would attempt to come to Christ and follow His Holy Spirit.

Only by following the Holy Spirit can the works of the flesh be overcome. The flesh can't just decide to be Holy and start following God's Law of Love. There has to be a conversion. A change caused by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 8:1-8
[SUP]1[/SUP] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

When you point someone to the Law what does it do, if they look at it honestly? It condemns them in their flesh and will. This is good for someone who hasn't come to Christ. Right? It teaches them that their flesh and will doesn't inherit the kingdom of God.

But after a person has come to Christ if you point them back to the law what does it do? It condemns them, if they let it, if they haven't learned the lesson. It causes them to look back and behold sin, taking their eyes off Christ.

One person can't command another person to obey the law of love, telling them God commands them. There's too much striving, stubborn-ness, pride, arrogance, etc... It just doesn't work for someone who is not perfect to tell someone else that they must be perfect. It is very easy to see that neither one will be perfect by their own effort...

So is it impossible? With men it is impossible. That's why we must come to Christ. That's why we must always mention that He is the Way. The only Way. Everything else is a side-track.

Its not Christ plus our work of the flesh. Its not Christ plus the commandments. Its Christ alone. Its Christ working in us and through us.

Otherwise your faith isn't entirely in the Lord Jesus Christ. Otherwise you think He's a really good savior but you have to work at the law because He didn't completely save you. Did He save you just a little or did He Save You to the Highest? I guess there are a lot of people around here that think the Lord saved them just a little and they have to finish the work by the law.

The Joy of the Lord is our Strength. He gives us the Peace that passes all understanding. How does that happen? Ha ha go to Him and ask for yourself...

You can't have peace if you are worried that your next step could cause your falling away. You can't have joy if you are still condemning yourself with the Law. I suppose you could pretend but how long will that last...?

My prayer is that you could put your pride away for a moment and see that our only boast is, and will always be, in the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Isaiah 53:5
But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.

zone · Jul 2, 2013

Grandpa said:

but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
the punishment that brought us peace was on him

grace and peace to you in Christ Our Lord, Grandpa.
Sola Dei Gloria

JaumeJ · Jul 2, 2013

Where the Body is the eagles gather.

eternally-gratefull · Jul 2, 2013

john832 said:

lol. Who said there were no repercussions? That is you my friend. And I wrote in my message there WERE repercussion. But you totally ignored that aspect and claimed I did not say it. Thats enough for all to see your sneaky ways of trying to prove others wrong

I have done some of those things, and I have felt the repercussions. And they are NOT prety, but are quite painfull. Especially if your a child of God and are thus chastened by him. Or do you not read scripture about the chastening of God??

Your problem is you think YOUR sin does not stink. You think your sinless? Your not righteous in Gods eyes, NON OF US ARE.. But you must have some special thing with God no body has.. Hope it works for you!

eternally-gratefull · Jul 2, 2013

john832 said:

then why do you CONTINUE to say I said something I never claimed??

You do not understand it at all. And you prove it every time you respond or speak of me, saying I believe or preach stuff which is not true.

john832 · Jul 2, 2013

eternally-gratefull said:

Lemme see, which of the above would you like to disavow as not your words? The Ten Commandments have no bearing on eternal life.

john832 · Jul 2, 2013

eternally-gratefull said:

I think you just validated...

I John 2:4

zone · Jul 2, 2013

john832 said:

is keeping the Saturday Sabbath going to save you?

eternally-gratefull · Jul 2, 2013

john832 said:

Yeah, I did just validate.

That you are following law. and not grace.

Thanks for proving what I have said all along.

As for 1 John 2: How does this validate this? John 2 is not saying we are saved by obeying the law. It says that whoever claims he is saved, yet does not live a life which is following God is a liar. And was never saved.. Just like it says in 1 john 3

[SUP]6 [/SUP]Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

so we have two proofs and true areas of truth!

1 Whoever lives in sin has never seen god or known him (he has NEVER been saved
2. Whoever is BORN OF GOD does not live in sin.

So you must either claim one of two things to believe the way you do.

1. A person can be born of God (know him) fall into sin and lose their salvation. Making the first point of John a lie
2. A person who is born of God can live in sin, making the second point a lie.

Forgive me if I follow John and not You..

JaumeJ · Jul 2, 2013

Keeping the Sabbath in itself will save no man. If you believe Paul, then you already know it does not matter what day is revered as long as the one revering it has a clear conscience in the sight of the Father.

As for the day the Sabbath is to be observed. Many believe, I for one, it should be observed on the Seventh Day because there is a commandment naming the Seventh Day as the day to be remembered, marked and kept separate.

You also know there is no commandment changing the observance of the Sabbath of Yahweh from the Seventh to the first day of the week.

So there should be no question, however for many who are confused, there is. Do you have a clear conscience in the sight of the Father? If the answer is yes, why bother others who have the same and observe a different day?

The peace of Yeshua cannot extend to those who vacillate on His teaching; it is impossible. Stay the course in Yeshua always, amen.

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eternally-gratefull · Jul 2, 2013

john832 said:

They don't. The only bearing they have is as a schoolmaster. To prove we need Christ because we have failed to keep the law.

To bad it is not working in you. You evidently do not believe you need Christ anymore. It is still valid in my life. It shows me the sin I still commit, the areas I still struglle. And why I still need Christ every minute of every day.

One day you might find this, But it is not looking good.

zone · Jul 2, 2013

JaumeJ said:

Keeping the Sabbath in itself will save no man. If you believe Paul, then you already know it does not matter what day is revered as long as the one revering it has a clear conscience in the sight of the Father.

As for the day the Sabbath is to be observed. Many believe, I for one, it should be observed on the Seventh Day because there is a commandment naming the Seventh Day as the day to be remembered, marked and kept separate.

You also know there is no commandment changing the observance of the Sabbath of Yahweh from the Seventh to the first day of the week.

So there should be no question, however for many who are confused, there is. Do you have a clear conscience in the sight of the Father? If the answer is yes, why bother others who have the same and observe a different day?

The peace of Yeshua cannot extend to those who vacillate on His teaching; it is impossible. Stay the course in Yeshua always, amen.

why are you still posting to me?
you wrote me off many times.

be on your way then jack.

RickShafer · Jul 2, 2013

Still on this?
I just don't see the difficulty.
A christian will not murder.
A christian will not commit adultery.
A christian will not lie. - (without being sternly corrected - as in costing him/her more than what it would have to tell the truth)
A christian will not covet. - (Sanctification, sanctification, sanctification!!!)
A christian will regard the rest that the Lord has bestowed upon them.
I just don't see the problem.
Either Jesus was enough or He wasn't - (You have to square that with your theology)

JaumeJ · Jul 2, 2013

Elemental, you have been clicking on likes to rebuttals to my posts, nothing more, nothing less.

zone said:

vic1980 · Jul 2, 2013

Laodicea said:

Matthew 19:17 KJV
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

John 14:15 KJV
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 15:10 KJV
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1 John 2:3 KJV
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 3:22 KJV
And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1 John 5:2 KJV
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1 John 5:3 KJV
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Revelation 12:17 KJV
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 KJV
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

This is overwhelming evidence that the Bible says we are to keep the commandments. To say we do not have to keep the commandments is teaching against the clear word of God. The fact that we are saved by grace through faith does not release us from keeping the law.

Philippians 4:13 KJV
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
John 15:4-5 KJV
(4) Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
(5) I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Back to OP

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another

John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

Laodicea · Jul 2, 2013

Can a christian who is living in willful sin be saved?

RickShafer · Jul 2, 2013

Laodicea said:

We are ALL in a constant state of falling short(sin).
Does this mean we sin that grace may abound? - (God forbid!)
To answer your question, a christian who willfully sins will be chastened by God.
The Good Shepherd carries a rod and a staff.
One is to lead, the other is to correct.
- He's not past breaking a leg(or life) with that rod of correction B.T.W.

haz · Jul 2, 2013

Michael50 said:

It's your doctrine that suggests that Christians are more forgiving than God is. And I agree that your doctrine's suggestion is crazy.

No doubt you will deny my point so I invite you again to try to explain how is it that Christians are asked to forgive 7x70 but you say that God will not forgive 7x70 as you revealed through your comment below about obedience to the law.

"Those who reject all urgings from the Holy Spirit will eventually be destroyed"

Michael50 said:

You left out an important part of your doctrine in your statement above.

Lets add that important part you conveniently left out regarding obedience to the law.
"Those who reject all urgings from the Holy Spirit will eventually be destroyed"

Now your message reveals a very different intent.
You claim your saved by grace and works of the law is required as proof or else you'll be destroyed as God will not tolerate forgiving you 7x70 for transgressions of the law.

So we can see that the doctrine you follow is mixing grace with works of the law. But God says you cannot do that, Rom 11:6.

You are promoting a lukewarm doctrine in mixing grace with works of the law, Rev 3:15,16, and God says for you to repent, Rev 3:19.

haz · Jul 2, 2013

Laodicea said:

And how does one sin willfully after having the knowledge of the truth of the gospel of Christ?

Note Rom 3:19
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Gal 2:18
if I build again those things which I destroyed (righteousness by works of the law), I make myself a transgressor/SINNER.

So we see in scripture that the charge of willful sin applies to those under the law, instead of grace.
Those who receive Christ (they have the knowledge of the truth) but then turn back to the law for righteousness, these are they who sin willfully, as they bring themselves back under the law for righteousness by works and will fail to obey it perfectly (thus in sin).

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