Keep The Commandments

[eternally-gratefull]

John 14:21 KJV
(21) He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Why does this text say 'he that has the commandments'? Is it saying that we are given the commandments and keep them. So then keeping the commandments is not just about God saying obey or else but, He is giving us the commandments and we keep them. How are we given the commandments? What does it mean to be given the commandments?

Jeremiah 31:33 KJV
(33) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

1. Everyone has the commandments, they were written on our hearts (rom 1)
2. Those who are not born again, can not keep them (they may appear like it, like the pharisees, but inside, they do not keep the commands, only the ones they chose to keep in their flesh)
3. Those born of God will keep them (as he empowers them to keep them)

whenever one reads those who keep commands. It is ALWAYS referring to those born again through faith in Christ.

As John said, if we are born of God, we can not sin, because his spirit resides in us.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

What exactly are GOD's commandments? There has to be a distinction made because some things GOD has said at one time contradict things he has said at another time.

For example, commandments given through Moses forbade eating certain things. However, Jesus said that nothing going into the mouth can defile a person. So in effect, Jesus declared Moses' commandment null and void.

I think we can all agree that everything Jesus said takes precedence over everything Moses said. And from the above example, it's obvious that GOD does set aside commandments that are no longer profitable.

The law of Moses, which includes the 10 commandments, was the law of the old covenant. It defined the terms of Israel's fidelity to the covenant. As a body of law, it really had no significance apart from the covenant. In other words, it was the law of the covenant; it did not stand on its own apart from that covenant.

It's a fact that no one reading this has ever been under the old covenant. Virtually all of us were all born 1900+ years after it ended. Therefore, we have never been under its laws. It's impossible for somebody to be under the laws of a country, or covenant, (s)he is not a member of. So the law of Moses has never had authority over us.

Jesus said that nothing would pass from the law of the old covenant until all was fulfilled. Shortly after that, he fulfilled everything required by the law of that covenant.

He also said on several occasions, 'You have heard it said ..., but I say to you ...' I think this is where we need to start in order to determine what HIS commandments are.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Unbelief... some people just keep tripping over the 4th commandment...

I think it is more than this. They trip over the 4th, And things like do not murder, fornicate or commit adultry. And since they obey these things, think they are righteous.

When they can not see, they do not love the Lord with ALL their heart mind and soul, or their neighbor. They fail to keep this on a daily basis. But this does not matter, because this is not an outward sin everyone can see. it is an inward sin of the heart.

Yet God condemns this sin as much as he does ALL SIN.

the penalty of sin is death. Thus death must pay for ALL SIN..Thus why Only Christ can remove this penalty. For only he fulfilled the law in a way his sacrifice is sufficient.

 

[JaumeJ]

Anyone who has the commandments of Yeshua written on the flesh tablet of their heart knows not to steal, to honor his father and his mother, to have no other gods before Yahweh, to not bear false witness, to the tenth of the commandments. They know this by instinct of the Holy Spirit.

To go against these simple guidelines of what the Father would like us to do, commands us, is contrary to the new nature put on by having accepted Yeshua and receiving the Holy Spirit.

God is All, mankind is incapable without giving all honor and glory to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. We become His will in Yeshua, amen.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hebrews 4:9 KJV
(9) There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

G4520
σαββατισμός
sabbatismos
Thayer Definition:
1) a keeping sabbath
2) the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from a derivative of G4521
Citing in TDNT: 7:34, 989

This rest was not a saterday rest. This was a rest of peace. Against their enemies. Against the dangers of nature (there would be rain) against their neighbors.

God promised they would never have this rest (peace) because they sinned against him.

 

[Laodicea]

What exactly are GOD's commandments? There has to be a distinction made because some things GOD has said at one time contradict things he has said at another time.

For example, commandments given through Moses forbade eating certain things. However, Jesus said that nothing going into the mouth can defile a person. So in effect, Jesus declared Moses' commandment null and void.

I think we can all agree that everything Jesus said takes precedence over everything Moses said. And from the above example, it's obvious that GOD does set aside commandments that are no longer profitable.

The law of Moses, which includes the 10 commandments, was the law of the old covenant. It defined the terms of Israel's fidelity to the covenant. As a body of law, it really had no significance apart from the covenant. In other words, it was the law of the covenant; it did not stand on its own apart from that covenant.

It's a fact that no one reading this has ever been under the old covenant. Virtually all of us were all born 1900+ years after it ended. Therefore, we have never been under its laws. It's impossible for somebody to be under the laws of a country, or covenant, (s)he is not a member of. So the law of Moses has never had authority over us.

Jesus said that nothing would pass from the law of the old covenant until all was fulfilled. Shortly after that, he fulfilled everything required by the law of that covenant.

He also said on several occasions, 'You have heard it said ..., but I say to you ...' I think this is where we need to start in order to determine what HIS commandments are.

Jesus did not say anything that contradicted what was written. Jesus came to fulfill the law, fulfill does not mean do away with. The law already existed before Sinai. The 7 feasts however were new, they did not have them before Sinai, the sanctuary was given at Sinai. We still have a high priest, Jesus. We still have passover, Jesus. We still have a sanctuary, in heaven. We still need a sacrifice for our sins, Jesus.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hmmm, they surely do, Christ said to do this and the first response from most is "Don't tell me what to do!"

who says this? I have not heard anyone say this. I think your hearing things. Maybe you have a demon wispering things in your head??

Why do you continue to bear false witness against others?

 

[zone]

QUESTION:

is there anyone here who does not believe that the New Testament contains everything needful for salvation and instructions for living, as well as all things relating to the life and Person of the Lord Jesus.

(this is not, not, a denigration of the OT....its an hypothetical question about the sufficiency of the New Testament (New Covenant):

The Greek word (pronounced) dee-ath-ay-kay means a disposition, the act or means of disposing of something, as in a will. It is variously translated as either "covenant" or "testament," which is interesting because they differ in meaning in English usage i.e. covenant means "a written agreement between two or more parties to perform some action" while testament means "a legal document declaring a person's wishes regarding the disposal of their property when they die." While the Greek word is closer in meaning to the English word "testament," the Biblical usage of it blends "covenant" and "testament" in a way that the full Scriptural meaning is only made clear by the use of both.

Covenant and Testament

The original Greek word is variously rendered according to a translator's preference, whether within a single version of the Bible, or in comparing versions such as the example below where the original Greek word in Mark 14:24 is translated as "covenant" in the Revised Standard Version (which was based upon the American Standard Version, which was based upon the King James Version) and "new testament" in the King James:

"And He said to them, "This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many" (RSV)
"And He said unto them, This is My blood of the new testament, which is shed for many." (KJV)
Wayne Blank

 

[Laodicea]

This rest was not a saterday rest. This was a rest of peace. Against their enemies. Against the dangers of nature (there would be rain) against their neighbors.

God promised they would never have this rest (peace) because they sinned against him.

I have used evidence, you have just used your opinion.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I think it is more than this. They trip over the 4th, And things like do not murder, fornicate or commit adultry. And since they obey these things, think they are righteous.

When they can not see, they do not love the Lord with ALL their heart mind and soul, or their neighbor. They fail to keep this on a daily basis. But this does not matter, because this is not an outward sin everyone can see. it is an inward sin of the heart.

Yet God condemns this sin as much as he does ALL SIN.

the penalty of sin is death. Thus death must pay for ALL SIN..Thus why Only Christ can remove this penalty. For only he fulfilled the law in a way his sacrifice is sufficient.

Well that's true. I think there is a propensity for many to feel insecure, or naked, when they don't feel themselves framed by laws. It all boils down to unbelief. The latter part of my comment about people tripping over the 4th commandment refers to the most extreme part of this group, who simply cannot see its spiritual meaning, and consequently try to drag everybody down with themselves.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

4 Characteristics that Identify the saints can be seen in the following scriptures:

"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." (Revelation 14:12)

"And they [the saints] overcame him [Satan] by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death." (Revelation 12:11)

So, we see that the Saints will do 4 things:

1. Keeping the Commandments

2.Trusting the Blood of the Lamb

3.Sharing their faith with others

4. choosing to DIE rather than to sin.

These are the true marks of the person who is in love with Christ and who has made a life commitment to follow Him!

If Commandment keeping is not important,, then I suppose having the Mark of the Beast is no big deal either.

Thanks. You just proved what many of us have been telling you!

THEY WILL DO THESE THINGS (not might).

Now when are you going to get off your wagon, And stop preaching that they MAY do this?? And Because they only MAY do these things. They MAY lose salvation, because we are under law, not grace?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

G4521
σάββατον
sabbaton
Thayer Definition:
1) the seventh day of each week which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites were required to abstain from all work
1a) the institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh day of the week
1b) a single sabbath, sabbath day
2) seven days, a week
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of Hebrew origin H7676
Citing in TDNT: 7:1, 989

Context destroys your meaning. And I can;t wait to get home and check this out..

Your saying God only promised them one day of rest? And not a complete rest from their enemies?

PS.. Sabaath can also mean seventh year. rest for the land.. There are many interpretations of the word.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus did not say anything that contradicted what was written. Jesus came to fulfill the law, fulfill does not mean do away with. The law already existed before Sinai. The 7 feasts however were new, they did not have them before Sinai, the sanctuary was given at Sinai. We still have a high priest, Jesus. We still have passover, Jesus. We still have a sanctuary, in heaven. We still need a sacrifice for our sins, Jesus.

Jesus did fulfill the law

He fullfilled the moral, the sacrificial and judicial law on our behalf.

Jesus did nto die to take away the feast, ceremonial and sacraficial law. he cam to take away the judicial law (the penalty of sin is death, but the GIFT of God is eternal life)

He took the penalty of breaking the commands away. This silencing the law. Which condemns us.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Jesus did not say anything that contradicted what was written. Jesus came to fulfill the law, fulfill does not mean do away with.

Denial is more than just a river in Egypt...

Moses said don't eat this and that... Jesus said it doesn't matter what you eat...

Sure sounds like a change of commandment to me...

Who's greater, Moses or Jesus?

 

[Laodicea]

4 Characteristics that Identify the saints can be seen in the following scriptures:

"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." (Revelation 14:12)

"And they [the saints] overcame him [Satan] by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death." (Revelation 12:11)

So, we see that the Saints will do 4 things:

1. Keeping the Commandments

2.Trusting the Blood of the Lamb

3.Sharing their faith with others

4. choosing to DIE rather than to sin.

These are the true marks of the person who is in love with Christ and who has made a life commitment to follow Him!

If Commandment keeping is not important,, then I suppose having the Mark of the Beast is no big deal either.

Romans 8:4-5 KJV
(4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(5) For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

According to this if we belong to Christ we will walk after the things of the Spirit, so what are the things of the Spirit? We are to walk not stay still.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have used evidence, you have just used your opinion.

No, You have used opinion.

He did not grant their rest. they wandered for 40 years. EVEN THOUGH THEY STILL OBEYED THE 4TH COMMANDMENT, and rested on Saturday.

The rest promised was the land and peace from their enemies. Or have you not read the OT passages which speak of this rest??

 

[Laodicea]

Denial is more than just a river in Egypt...

Moses said don't eat this and that... Jesus said it doesn't matter what you eat...

Sure sounds like a change of commandment to me...

Who's greater, Moses or Jesus?

The text you are referring to is talking about eating with unwashed hands. It is not saying we can eat anything we want.

 

[Laodicea]

No, You have used opinion.

He did not grant their rest. they wandered for 40 years. EVEN THOUGH THEY STILL OBEYED THE 4TH COMMANDMENT, and rested on Saturday.

The rest promised was the land and peace from their enemies. Or have you not read the OT passages which speak of this rest??

You can say that I have used opinion but, evidence proves otherwise.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well that's true. I think there is a propensity for many to feel insecure, or naked, when they don't feel themselves framed by laws. It all boils down to unbelief. The latter part of my comment about people tripping over the 4th commandment refers to the most extreme part of this group, who simply cannot see its spiritual meaning, and consequently try to drag everybody down with themselves.

True. But I do agree with them, God did give us a day of rest. for our benefit, even before the law was given.

Now I do not think God is going to go postal on us if we do it on Sunday and not Saturday. But not taking a day of rest has and will cause consequences in our lives God did not intend us to receive if we took this day of rest.

But I do not agree salvation is dependent on this. Or any sin. Because Christ paid the price for those sins, If he did not. we are all doomed for whatever sin Christ forgot, or did not die for.

 

[Michael50]

1. The ten commandments is fulfilled, as far as our salvation goes. Christ did it all
2. It does not mean they should not be followed after a person is born again. Failure to do so would still bring repercussions in this lifetime, but has NO bearing on our eternity

If you do not teach this. Then my comments stand. if you do. then I have misunderstood you.

This post is yours,, and Point number 2 is very clear. All may know that you teach it's okay to break Gods Laws. Even you say there will be no repercussions in the afterlife. A dangerous doctrine and surely not of God!

Just like Satan,, when he told Eve the same thing,,,, "Ye shall not surely die." Satan lied,, and you are telling lies in point number 2 of your message, in the same manner (sneaky) that our adversary would tell us. Subtly.

Schools out: You teach from the dictates of a demon.